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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1195938]Using children as pawns in political battles should [U][B]not[/B][/U] unite us. Demonizing one side or the other should [B][U]not[/U][/B] unite us. Saying one side hates children should [B][U]not[/U][/B] unite us.

If you show me that these kids safety was endangered, yes I agree, and any DHS personnel who hurt or abuse kids should be fired. BUT, not having every amenity a US citizen might have, isn't the same as having abusing or endangering children. Unlike what the lying media has put out there, these aren't concentration camps, these are centers that must abide by US regulations and safety laws. I would be willing to lay a wager that most of these children have better hygiene standards and water and toilet facilities then the lands they left.[/quote]

I just spent three days up at the New Jersey shore and they were talking about the fact the the Federal goverment lied,they thought they had about 19 kids ,the number was 329 and growing .All ready talk of little kids being attacked by older ones inside these detention centers,so you can blow that better hygiene crap out the window, you're saying it's okay for teenagers to abuse little kids as long as there is a clean toilet???



[url]https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/20/politics/new-york-mayor-blasts-trump/index.html[/url]

[url]https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/21/us/undocumented-migrant-children-detention-facilities-abuse-invs/index.html[/url]

[url]https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2018/06/18/colleen-kraft-american-academy-of-pediatrics-family-separation-child-abuse-ath.cnn[/url]

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Do you still have to pay to get on the beach at jersey shore?

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[quote=Chico23231;1195941]Do you still have to pay to get on the beach at jersey shore?[/quote]

Yes, at most of them.It pays for the Lifeguards ,extra Police,Insurance and care of the beach.

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George Will has had enough

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/vote-against-the-gop-this-november/2018/06/22/a6378306-7575-11e8-b4b7-308400242c2e_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f0e413daf0ad[/url]

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[QUOTE=MTK;1195944]George Will has had enough

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/vote-against-the-gop-this-november/2018/06/22/a6378306-7575-11e8-b4b7-308400242c2e_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f0e413daf0ad[/url][/QUOTE]That is what i have been saying. Will faults the republicans in Congress - and rightly so. He also faults the democrats in Congress when it was a democratic president.

[QUOTE]Congressional Republicans (congressional Democrats are equally supine toward Democratic presidents) have no higher ambition than to placate this president. By leaving dormant the powers inherent in their institution, they vitiate the Constitution’s vital principle: the separation of powers.[/QUOTE]

Congress has lost the capacity for proper congressional oversight and a deliberative legislative process. There is no greater evidence for a need for term limits then the last 20 years of congressional negligence.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1195945]That is what i have been saying. Will faults the republicans in Congress - and rightly so. He also faults the democrats in Congress when it was a democratic president.



Congress has lost the capacity for proper congressional oversight and a deliberative legislative process. [B]There is no greater evidence for a need for term limits then the last 20 years of congressional negligence[/B].[/quote]

I agree.

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I have never disagreed with that.

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If Chico and Punch chime in that they agree we may be in store for a VERY long cold streak. Lol

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1195948]If Chico and Punch chime in that they agree we may be in store for a VERY long cold streak. Lol[/quote]

BE STILL MY HEART!!!:food-smil

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This is wrong. I didn't mind this guy he had a history of ruling on the side of Law and I have no problem with that but this is .............



[url]https://thinkprogress.org/gorsuch-says-hell-repeal-and-replace-the-fourth-amendment-with-something-terrific-9238f5568313/[/url]

As a presidential candidate, Donald Trump offered a vague promise to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act with “something terrific.” On Friday, Neil Gorsuch, who occupies the seat on the Supreme Court that Senate Republicans held open until Trump could fill it, brought a similar amount of thoughtfulness and coherence to the question of when police should be allowed to conduct a search without a warrant.

Gorsuch’s dissenting opinion in Carpenter v. United States is an odd piece of writing. It reads less like a judicial opinion and more like the sort of essay that an overworked law professor might toss off after they suddenly realize that they have a symposium paper due at the end of the week. After lecturing his colleagues for 20 pages about how he has uncovered a way of interpreting the Fourth Amendment that is more “tied to the law” than the last half-century of Supreme Court opinions on this subject, Gorsuch outright refuses to apply this mysterious new interpretation to the case at hand.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1195948]If Chico and Punch chime in that they agree we may be in store for a VERY long cold streak. Lol[/quote]

Term limits, the greatest cause the tea party ever championed. I’ve been down

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[url]https://www.theroot.com/theres-nothing-wrong-with-treating-an-asshole-like-an-a-1827112202[/url]

[emoji106]

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[QUOTE=MTK;1195965][url]https://www.theroot.com/theres-nothing-wrong-with-treating-an-asshole-like-an-a-1827112202[/url]

[emoji106][/QUOTE]Welp we had one kumbaya moment now we are back to the BS.

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Act like an asshole, don’t be surprised to be treated like one. Good life advice.

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If it looks like a sphincter, smells like a sphincter, and spews diarrhea like a sphincter, well it's probably a sphincter.

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Really surprise this is endorse.

Please then stop talking about we need to listen to one another, stop using language and messaging "we need to have a conversation", etc

So we good with denying services to Obama, Susan Rice, John Kerry, Pelosi?...just don't use racism and discrimination if it happens.

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[quote=MTK;1195965][url]https://www.theroot.com/theres-nothing-wrong-with-treating-an-asshole-like-an-a-1827112202[/url]

[emoji106][/quote]

Oh and the Root. When their not posting very predictable things like this, they are endorsing the shooting the police, posting racist opinions, and high fiving the shooting of Republicans on softball field.

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It’s all fun and games for the bully until they get popped in the nose.

Why does the right get away with being the asshole while the left is supposed to take the high ground? Enough with that shit already.

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[quote=MTK;1195985]It’s all fun and games for the bully until they get popped in the nose.

Why does the right get away with being the asshole while the left is supposed to take the high ground? Enough with that shit already.[/quote]

Its an interesting shift from Michelle saying when they go low, we go high.

I get it...but what is still puzzling to me is when policies such as travel bans, massive deportation, and separations of families at the border all during the Obama administration....where the hell were yall? Where was the media?

It all seems so fake now

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Look, I’m not even getting into policies, that’s another debate, I’m coming from a very simple idea that if you’re an asshole, don’t be surprised when you’re treated accordingly. That’s all. It’s always those with the biggest bark that seem so shocked when someone barks back.

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I don't care what happens to Sanders when she goes out to eat. I don't care what Donald Trump tweets.

I care about their policies.

You guys realize that Trump intentionally says things all the time that he has no intention of doing, right? Look at the actions, not the words. Otherwise you're a puppet in their game of distraction politics.

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[quote=MTK;1195987]Look, I’m not even getting into policies, that’s another debate, I’m coming from a very simple idea that if you’re an asshole, don’t be surprised when you’re treated accordingly. That’s all. It’s always those with the biggest bark that seem so shocked when someone barks back.[/quote]

Trump is a big asshole....zero argument here

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[quote=Chico23231;1195986]Its an interesting shift from Michelle saying when they go low, we go high.

I get it...but what is still puzzling to me is when policies such as travel bans, massive deportation, and separations of families at the border all during the Obama administration....where the hell were yall? Where was the media?

It all seems so fake now[/quote]
Where the hell were you,you never said a word about it then.....!Stay on subject .

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[quote=Chico23231;1195989]Trump is a big asshole....zero argument here[/quote]

Yet you agree with him and defend all he does,chico think about that ....what does that make you?

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[quote=Giantone;1195990]Where the hell were you,you never said a word about it then.....!Stay on subject .[/quote]

:grouphug:

come on man, we are all in this together...I know it tough to deal with that these things that happened.

#dontredhenmebro!

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[quote=MTK;1195985]It’s all fun and games for the bully until they get popped in the nose.

Why does the right get away with being the asshole while the left is supposed to take the high ground? Enough with that shit already.[/quote]

wasn't it a left supporter that shot at a republican congressman practicing for a baseball game.


The left has never taken the high ground except when they are raising their noses to look down on normal citizens.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1195993]wasn't it a left supporter that shot at a republican congressman practicing for a baseball game.





The left has never taken the high ground except when they are raising their noses to look down on normal citizens.[/QUOTE]



Anyone who shoots anyone falls way outside the political spectrum and squarely into the mentally deranged department.

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[quote=Giantone;1195991]Yet you agree with him and defend all he does,chico think about that ....what does that make you?[/quote]

I certainly don’t agree with a lot and don’t defend him a ton.

So me, like you am just going out every day trying to look at the big picture, understanding we are a nation of laws and just doing the right thing to contribute and make this country great.

Me, you, trump....weee in this thing together
:grouphug:

Big win today when it comes to laws from the Supreme Court

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[quote=Chico23231;1195995]Big win today when it comes to laws from the Supreme Court[/quote]

... and, yet, MSNBC's take:

[url=http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/sotomayor-and-ginsburg-issue-scathing-dissent-of-scotus-travel-ban-decision/ar-AAzctPw?ocid=ientp]Sotomayor and Ginsburg Issue Scathing Dissent of SCOTUS Travel Ban Decision[/url]

Meanwhile ... their analysis of the majority opinion and, you know, the actual law of the land?

<crickets>

I so hate the media.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1195996]... and, yet, MSNBC's take:

[url=http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/sotomayor-and-ginsburg-issue-scathing-dissent-of-scotus-travel-ban-decision/ar-AAzctPw?ocid=ientp]Sotomayor and Ginsburg Issue Scathing Dissent of SCOTUS Travel Ban Decision[/url]

Meanwhile ... their analysis of the majority opinion and, you know, the actual law of the land?

<crickets>

I so hate the media.[/quote]

Laws > Feelings.

Nation of Laws

Just read your link...yea nothing there about the law. Sounds like hurt feelings

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In MSNB's article on the travel ban - not one word in it about the actual statute at issue, it's wording, or, for that matter, the actual wording of the travel ban under review, and only ONE SENTENCE about the majority's reasoning.

For shits and giggles I did a word count of the article with Word. The article is 489 words long. Of that, only FOUR words are quoted from the majority opinion. In contrast, the article includes 230 words in quoted phrases from the dissenting opinion.

Sad. News sites today is such a f'ing echo chamber.

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After seeing this bullshit first hand in my own town, not that I hadn't had it before, I've had it now. Someone sabotaged a gas line at The Red Hen. Like what in the actual fuck?!

It's kind of sad to read these comments coming in from all over the country from people who have never been here. Woke up Saturday morning to all my friends texting about this. While I did laugh inside, I think she could have made her point a little better, but still, I know all those people and they're good people. Fucking awful what Drumpf has done to this country. SO MUCH hate (and I'm guilty of it too, thanks to him). It wasn't like this with either Bush, Clinton, Obama... This piece of trash has done nothing and the base is lapping it up.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1196001]After seeing this bullshit first hand in my own town, not that I hadn't had it before, I've had it now. Someone sabotaged a gas line at The Red Hen. Like what in the actual fuck?!

It's kind of sad to read these comments coming in from all over the country from people who have never been here. Woke up Saturday morning to all my friends texting about this. While I did laugh inside, I think she could have made her point a little better, but still, I know all those people and they're good people. Fucking awful what Drumpf has done to this country. SO MUCH hate (and I'm guilty of it too, thanks to him). [B]It wasn't like this with either Bush, Clinton, Obama[/B]... This piece of trash has done nothing and the base is lapping it up.[/quote]

My problem with the bolded section is that under Bush(2nd) and Obama, the pressures were absolutely growing. There was an undercurrent of 2 significant parts of the US population that were being flat out ignored, and dismissed - be it Romney's "47%" comment, or Pres Obama's utter disdain for the white middle class.

Ignoring and inflaming both sides of the aisle while having media that spews only the divisive hate has led us to this point just as much as Pres. Trump's brash politically incorrect (and assholish) character has.

Like Matty said once, if we were all in a pub, regardless of race color creed or income, (unless our creed prohibited being in a pub), I think we all could sit, discuss, have a beer turn on football and cheer. BUT the internet, divided media, and social media has turned this country on it's head when it comes to polite responses.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196002]My problem with the bolded section is that under Bush(2nd) and Obama, the pressures were absolutely growing. There was an undercurrent of 2 significant parts of the US population that were being flat out ignored, and dismissed - be it Romney's "47%" comment, or Pres Obama's utter disdain for the white middle class.

Ignoring and inflaming both sides of the aisle while having media that spews only the divisive hate has led us to this point just as much as Pres. Drumpf's brash politically incorrect (and assholish) character has.

[B]Like Matty said once, if we were all in a pub, regardless of race color creed or income, (unless our creed prohibited being in a pub), I think we all could sit, discuss, have a beer turn on football and cheer. BUT the internet, divided media, and social media has turned this country on it's head when it comes to polite responses[/B].[/quote]

The same day this happened, we had a beer festival literally a block from The Red Hen. One guy was in his Maga hat and two others in their democratic shirts. Guess what? We all drank beer and everyone had a great time. I blame social media a bit, but that wasn't super prevalent except maybe during Obama's tenure. I'm not letting the media off the hook, but Donald Trump one way or another, is responsible for the breaking point.

Someone is actually trying to kill someone (BTW, I drove past the owner's house and she has full time police there now) over kicking out someone you agree with? Jeezus tapdancing christ. I'd be the same way if anyone on either side acted this way. Was watching The Red Hen's Facebook rating all morning long and saw just how much hate was winning while 10,000 people all gave it one star just because they hate.

Again, great people there, and probably the best food in our town. Blah. Just exhausting...

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1196001]After seeing this bullshit first hand in my own town, not that I hadn't had it before, I've had it now. Someone sabotaged a gas line at The Red Hen. Like what in the actual fuck?!

It's kind of sad to read these comments coming in from all over the country from people who have never been here. Woke up Saturday morning to all my friends texting about this. While I did laugh inside, I think she could have made her point a little better, but still, I know all those people and they're good people. Fucking awful what Drumpf has done to this country. SO MUCH hate (and I'm guilty of it too, thanks to him). It wasn't like this with either Bush, Clinton, Obama... This piece of trash has done nothing and the base is lapping it up.[/quote]

Giving the ok to discriminate based on political views. Irony here we've seen more tolerance in trump country verse the Obama presidency then the other way around.

I have zero sympathy for someone who can shout "injustice" but unwilling to talk about the issues.

Would love to see how this would have played out versus Obama and his staff.....oh that's right, it never did.

See the clown has a go fund me page taking in donations so they can cash in on the controversy. SAD!

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I agree with this................


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/mitch-mcconnell-reaps-benefits-stolen-182026736.html[/url]

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1196006]I agree with this................





[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/mitch-mcconnell-reaps-benefits-stolen-182026736.html[/url][/QUOTE]



But it’s the dems that obstruct right? .....oh the hypocrisy.
Everyone likes to talk about the big accomplishment of Trump and his scotus appointment. Yet that seat should have been filled long before he came along. Maybe Obama should have thrown tweeter tantrums about the obstruction of congress. Seems to be the way to get things done these days....

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1195993]wasn't it a left supporter that shot at a republican congressman practicing for a baseball game.


The left has never taken the high ground except when they are raising their noses to look down on [B]normal citizens[/B].[/quote]

Yikes.

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[QUOTE=jamf;1196010]Yikes.[/QUOTE]



Good catch. Lol

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[quote=Chico23231;1196004]Giving the ok to discriminate based on political views. Irony here we've seen more tolerance in trump country verse the Obama presidency then the other way around.

I have zero sympathy for someone who can shout "injustice" but unwilling to talk about the issues.

Would love to see how this would have played out versus Obama and his staff.....oh that's right, it never did.

See the clown has a go fund me page taking in donations so they can cash in on the controversy. SAD![/quote]

Right now, for me this has gotten above politics.

Both sides, people have enough energy to condemn or support a person they've never met, who was inconvenienced. Situations like this have happened to ALL people, not just both political parties, not just liberals and conservatives.

For the people willing to drive a few towns over to stand outside a restaurant, was it worth it? Did you do the same thing when your child/wife/sibling was treated unfairly at school or work?

For the people who were willing to post her home address and cell phone number, do you equally post good reviews of places you've been? Do you maybe send a friend a note who's having a bad day?

The Drumpf Hate Train is going to keep right on rolling and it's just caught everyone up in it.

Taking a step back on this whole situation, I think what Stephanie should have done is taken her money, and donated it to a LGBTQ charity. But hey, I wasn't there, I wouldn't have known what I would have done in that split-second situation when my staff asked me to do something.



Also, I was downtown almost all night just observing, don't let the media make this out to be more than maybe ten people at most. When I was leaving work, there were more camera people than protesters. I went to get dinner and heard a couple of groups had a shouting match, but that's about it.