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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1188480]Coming off an ACL tho, that scares me. I'd also like Watkins[/QUOTE]


He got hurt week one, he should be good to go

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I'll trade you Odell for two #1's and a #2 next year, and then you resign him next year.

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F Odell

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1188483]I'll trade you Odell for two #1's and a #2 next year, and then you resign him next year.[/QUOTE]Puff puff pass

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Lol,:D

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[quote=MTK;1188485]F Odell[/quote]

I think he meant O'doyle.

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"O'Doyle's rule!"

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Not sure exactly how true Kendall's statement is. But I think there's some truth there. And it explains the trade pretty well:

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/02/14/kendall-fuller-leaving-washington-is-a-little-emotional/]Kendall Fuller: Leaving Washington is “a little emotional” – ProFootballTalk[/url]

“It wasn’t like, ‘Oh, the Redskins, they were looking to get rid of me.’ They just saw this as the guy they needed to bring in. The Chiefs were bringing it to them like, ‘If you want this guy, you have to give up Kendall Fuller.’ All of them were upset that I had to go. It wasn’t like they were trying to kick me out the door. It was a little emotional.”

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1188491]Not sure exactly how true Kendall's statement is. But I think there's some truth there. And it explains the trade pretty well:



[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/02/14/kendall-fuller-leaving-washington-is-a-little-emotional/]Kendall Fuller: Leaving Washington is “a little emotional” – ProFootballTalk[/url]



“It wasn’t like, ‘Oh, the Redskins, they were looking to get rid of me.’ They just saw this as the guy they needed to bring in. The Chiefs were bringing it to them like, ‘If you want this guy, you have to give up Kendall Fuller.’ All of them were upset that I had to go. It wasn’t like they were trying to kick me out the door. It was a little emotional.”[/QUOTE]


What are you doubting exactly

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1188491]Not sure exactly how true Kendall's statement is. But I think there's some truth there. And it explains the trade pretty well:

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/02/14/kendall-fuller-leaving-washington-is-a-little-emotional/]Kendall Fuller: Leaving Washington is “a little emotional” – ProFootballTalk[/url]

“It wasn’t like, ‘Oh, the Redskins, they were looking to get rid of me.’ They just saw this as the guy they needed to bring in. The Chiefs were bringing it to them like, ‘If you want this guy, you have to give up Kendall Fuller.’ All of them were upset that I had to go. It wasn’t like they were trying to kick me out the door. It was a little emotional.”[/quote]

I'm sure he didn't want to leave , and I'm sure they didn't want to give him up but at the end of the day you NEED A QB in this league, unless you are like the Jags and have a great D and run game, we dont have either.

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[url=http://redskinswire.usatoday.com/2018/02/15/how-does-pro-bowl-qb-alex-smith-change-the-redskins-offense/]How does Pro Bowl QB Alex Smith change the Redskins offense? | Redskins Wire[/url]

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[QUOTE=MTK;1188492]What are you doubting exactly[/QUOTE]The part about the Chiefs coming to the Skins saying "if you want AS, it's Fuller or no one else".

Maybe it's 100% accurate, but maybe it's something the Skins told Fuller to make him not hate them too much, or maybe it's close to something the Skins told him and Fuller is twisting it a bit to make it sound like the Chiefs wanting him badly.

Can be any of the 3 above, or a mix of all of them. Truth in these negotiating matters is a hard thing to grasp.

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And in any case it's pretty clear the Chiefs were more interested in Fuller than anyone the Skins would have been willing to offer more easily.

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The Chiefs definitely needed help in the secondary and Fuller is a up and coming young CB, seems natural they targeted him

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1188582][url=http://redskinswire.usatoday.com/2018/02/15/how-does-pro-bowl-qb-alex-smith-change-the-redskins-offense/]How does Pro Bowl QB Alex Smith change the Redskins offense? | Redskins Wire[/url][/quote]

Nice read

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Another good article by Kiem. He does a good job. He's as Even Steven as you can ask for. It would be interesting to buy him some beers and get his personal opinion without having to be an intermediate for everyone:

[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/35642/jonathan-allen-alex-smith-can-help-redskins-improve-four-ugly-numbers]Jonathan Allen, Alex Smith can help Redskins improve four ugly numbers - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1188643]Another good article by Kiem. He does a good job. He's as Even Steven as you can ask for. It would be interesting to buy him some beers and get his personal opinion without having to be an intermediate for everyone:

[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/35642/jonathan-allen-alex-smith-can-help-redskins-improve-four-ugly-numbers]Jonathan Allen, Alex Smith can help Redskins improve four ugly numbers - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url][/QUOTE]Can't disagree with that.

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[quote=MTK;1188609]The Chiefs definitely needed help in the secondary and Fuller is a up and coming young CB, seems natural they targeted him[/quote]

Yep.
Maybe it sounded like I was questioning Fuller statement, I wasn't.
I was simply saying it's hard to know if it's 100% accurate since he's part of the story.

But my main point was the FO probably did what they had to do on this one. Some here thought trading Fuller was a huge mistake, all of us felt it was hard to see him go.
Knowing the Chiefs singled him out in the negotiating process makes it look better IMO.

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Kirk's big weakness is when the pocket collapses he caves and eats the sack, Alex moves out of trouble and gets yards. That will be huge

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It will be refreshing to cheer for a guy who wants to win and is in it for the team.

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In the last 7 years Alex Smith is 69-31 as a starter, Lets see if Kirk will do that after he has started for 7 total years. I doubt it. The guy is a WINNER not a STAT guy

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I think it’s safe to say the Chiefs have simply been the better team, if you swapped Cousins for Smith the last 3 years with everything else being the same I think the W/L records would be similar for both teams

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1188678]In the last 7 years Alex Smith is 69-31 as a starter, Lets see if Kirk will do that after he has started for 7 total years. I doubt it. The guy is a WINNER not a STAT guy[/quote]

Did Alex do this in spite of the rest of the roster, or because of the rest of the roster? W-L has always been overrated, it takes 45 good efforts to earn a W on game day.

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[quote=mooby;1188680]Did Alex do this in spite of the rest of the roster, or because of the rest of the roster? W-L has always been overrated, it takes 45 good efforts to earn a W on game day.[/quote]

Sometimes the QB has to make the plays late in games to get the W, that is why the QB is such a coveted POS, Smith made those plays against us on MNF and he also made them against the Eagles early on in the season. Yeah u have to have help but Kirk had as much help as anyone in 2016, HE HAD to make a play and HE COULDN'T do it. Stats don't always show it all

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Smith isn’t a difference making QB. Neither is Cousins. Both can help you win, but they’re not going to be the sole reason for winning on a consistent basis like an Aaron Rodgers type. So it’s a little silly to compare wins and loses, that doesn’t tell the whole story either much like stats.

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If we had Smith for the last 4 years and Chiefs had Cousins what would have been different? My gut tells me we would have made playoffs at least 1 more time and Smith would have set some records also. With Djax ,PG ,healthy Reed we had a very good offense ..back then our D was very bad. we need upgrade in our WR's and a big time RB and our O will be fine. when kirk signs that mega contract and we compare it to what we pay Smith and see what we can do with the difference it will start being very clear that this was our only choice.

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[quote=MTK;1188685]Smith isn’t a difference making QB. Neither is Cousins. Both can help you win, but they’re not going to be the sole reason for winning on a consistent basis like an Aaron Rodgers type. So it’s a little silly to compare wins and loses, that doesn’t tell the whole story either much like stats.[/quote]

I'm not saying he's lightyears better than Kirk, I love Kirk and wanted him back, all i'm sayings is the big numbers don't always mean everything. I'm happy with Smith for 3 years, maybe 4 if he can stay healthy at age 37. Also he's never talked about and I believe its because he was selected 1 over Arod, if Smith was drafted at Rodgers spot he would have been a steal.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1188682]Sometimes the QB has to make the plays late in games to get the W, that is why the QB is such a coveted POS, Smith made those plays against us on MNF and he also made them against the Eagles early on in the season. Yeah u have to have help but Kirk had as much help as anyone in 2016, HE HAD to make a play and HE COULDN'T do it. Stats don't always show it all[/quote]

Counterpoint, Kirk led us to the greatest comeback in Redskins history in 2015 against the Bucs. Down 24-3 before the half, not only did he methodically erase the deficit, he led us to the game winning touchdown with one last drive under 2 minutes in the fourth quarter. That was 1 of his 10+ game winning drives in the last few minutes of the 4th quarter or OT. So you can have your "didn't get it done in the final game of the season" and I'll take the overall body of work.

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[quote=mooby;1188690]Counterpoint, Kirk led us to the greatest comeback in Redskins history in 2015 against the Bucs. Down 24-3 before the half, not only did he methodically erase the deficit, he led us to the game winning touchdown with one last drive under 2 minutes in the fourth quarter. That was 1 of his 10+ game winning drives in the last few minutes of the 4th quarter or OT. So you can have your "didn't get it done in the final game of the season" and I'll take the overall body of work.[/quote]

Alex has the body of work, he has playoff wins.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1188691]Alex has the body of work, he has playoff wins.[/quote]

You are correct, he has 2 playoff wins. One against the Saints in a shoot-em-out game 6 years ago while he was with the 49ers, and another with average stats in a game where the Chiefs blew out the Brian Hoyer-led Texans 30-0 on the strength of Hoyer's 4 interceptions.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1188661]Kirk's big weakness is when the pocket collapses he caves and eats the sack, Alex moves out of trouble and gets yards. That will be huge[/quote]

I am not sure I agree. Over the last three years AS has been sacked more times than KC despite KC have more pass attempts. KCs worst year in sack % is last year at 7.1% per dropback is still lower than AS career average of 7.8%. I cannot speak completely for the 49ers/Chiefs o-line for his career or the chiefs for the last three years. I do not the skins pass pro is pretty good so I do imagine that has something to do with it. I do like where it has headed the last two years with AS however. If he can keep it around 6% I would be happy.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1188725]I am not sure I agree. Over the last three years AS has been sacked more times than KC despite KC have more pass attempts. KCs worst year in sack % is last year at 7.1% per dropback is still lower than AS career average of 7.8%. I cannot speak completely for the 49ers/Chiefs o-line for his career or the chiefs for the last three years. I do not the skins pass pro is pretty good so I do imagine that has something to do with it. I do like where it has headed the last two years with AS however. If he can keep it around 6% I would be happy.[/quote]


Kirk also didnt play von Miller twice alot of these years lol, ok.

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Joe Flacco’s last three years: 20-22, 52 touchdowns, 40 picks. Meh.

Since getting that pay day

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1188682]Sometimes the QB has to make the plays late in games to get the W, that is why the QB is such a coveted POS, Smith made those plays against us on MNF and he also made them against the Eagles early on in the season. Yeah u have to have help but Kirk had as much help as anyone in 2016, HE HAD to make a play and HE COULDN'T do it. Stats don't always show it all[/quote]

Our D gave away several games in 2016. You might be cherry picking just a little.

If I was going to cherry pick in favor of Kirk, how about the throw against all out blitz to Doctson in Seattle this year. He had to make a play and absolutely came through.

I get what your saying and agree that Smith is probably better off schedule, he has way more game and situational experience as well. I disagree in that I don't think it is that black and white.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1188831]Our D gave away several games in 2016. You might be cherry picking just a little.

If I was going to cherry pick in favor of Kirk, how about the throw against all out blitz to Doctson in Seattle this year. He had to make a play and absolutely came through.

I get what your saying and agree that Smith is probably better off schedule, he has way more game and situational experience as well. I disagree in that I don't think it is that black and white.[/quote]

The Seattle game was a great performance by Kirk without numbers, he was clutch. He's a good QB but he often seems lost back there and just takes the sacks.

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Was watching NFL Live earlier, and Louis Riddick & Bill Polian said we did an excellent job getting AS. Riddick said we definitely upgraded at QB.

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[quote=Meks;1188757]Kirk also didnt play von Miller twice alot of these years lol, ok.[/quote]

KC all so didn't have Andy Reid as a coach,pretty sure he help Smith be a better QB. Gruden is a good coach but Reid is a better coach.

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I'm almost at the end of the gruden rope. We'll see what happens

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Man I really can't wait to see what other talent they put around Smith and what they'll do with it. Dudes supposedly a genius, and apparently had more and more say in the offense with trust from Reid. I'm hopeful that a smart QB with buy in and Gruden together focused on building something can become one of the more creative duos. I think they've the potential, Gruden has a good track record with QBs and seems to scheme well, I'm curious to see what he can do now with a veteran QB that has gotten better throughout his career and has total buy in.

What additional weapons do you want around him next year?

I was getting a little hyped on Landry, but that ship has sailed. There's not allot in Free Agency, I like cooleys take on Dion Lewis, but there's also a lot of talent in the draft.

Christian Kirk, Sony Michel, Mark Andrews are the guys from the draft I'd get really excited about and that I think would play to Smith's strengths historically.

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A healthy Jordan Reed would go a long way. And then some speed on the outside.

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[quote=WillH;1188982]Man I really can't wait to see what other talent they put around Smith and what they'll do with it. Dudes supposedly a genius, and apparently had more and more say in the offense with trust from Reid. I'm hopeful that a smart QB with buy in and Gruden together focused on building something can become one of the more creative duos. I think they've the potential, Gruden has a good track record with QBs and seems to scheme well, I'm curious to see what he can do now with a veteran QB that has gotten better throughout his career and has total buy in.

What additional weapons do you want around him next year?

[B]I was getting a little hyped on Landry, but that ship has sailed. There's not allot in Free Agency, I like cooleys take on Dion Lewis, but there's also a lot of talent in the draft. [/B]

Christian Kirk, Sony Michel, Mark Andrews are the guys from the draft I'd get really excited about and that I think would play to Smith's strengths historically.

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I was high on Landry too. Curious on who we're going to get. We need a number one WR, badly.
Not sure we're confident we're going to find him in the draft, plug and play rookie WRs are not easy to find. Watkins? Richardson? Marqise Lee?

I just saw Jeremy Hill should be available ([url=http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22285044/cincinnati-bengals-pending-free-agent-jeremy-hill-tweets-goodbye-cincy]Cincinnati Bengals pending free agent Jeremy Hill tweets goodbye to Cincy[/url]) he could be a viable option, right?