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[quote=Ruhskins;1191595]Looks like the Pernell McPhee signing is getting close to becoming official:

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Pernell McPhee expected to finalize deal with #Redskins today, per sources. Outside linebacker will help in pass rush and set run edge.[/URL]

I hope we can sign Hankins sometime this week. I feel that with all of these signings, the team can have more flexibility in the draft. Also, signing Hankins wouldn't count against us getting compensatory picks next offseason, since he was cut by Indy.[/quote]


I do find it odd that Hankins hasn't been signed by anyone yet.. Maybe he's just not that good? I haven't even heard any news about the guy.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1191597]I do find it odd that Hankins hasn't been signed by anyone yet.. Maybe he's just not that good? I haven't even heard any news about the guy.[/quote]

He probably wants more money and no one is budging. Hard to get more money at this stage of free agency.

As long as they feel he is worth it, I wouldn't mind spending on Hankins. Having him along with J. Allen and Ionnadis would make a hell of a interior line.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1191598]He probably wants more money and no one is budging. Hard to get more money at this stage of free agency.

As long as they feel he is worth it, I wouldn't mind spending on Hankins. Having him along with J. Allen and Ionnadis would make a hell of a interior line.[/quote]

I hope they get it done, means we can look at LG/LB/RB early on.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1191598][B]He probably wants more money and no one is budging. Hard to get more money at this stage of free agency.[/B]

As long as they feel he is worth it, I wouldn't mind spending on Hankins. Having him along with J. Allen and Ionnadis would make a hell of a interior line.[/quote]

Yes this is basically what's happening. His agent shot for the moon last year and Hankins stayed on the market until April 13. Looking like a similar case again this year.

The Skins are clearly waiting on him, they're saving cap space specifically for him. I have a high degree of confidence he winds up in DC.

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[quote=Schneed10;1191610]Yes this is basically what's happening. His agent shot for the moon last year and Hankins stayed on the market until April 13. Looking like a similar case again this year.

The Skins are clearly waiting on him, they're saving cap space specifically for him. I have a high degree of confidence he winds up in DC.[/quote]

I think both parties want to get it done, and I hope it does.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1191595]Looks like the Pernell McPhee signing is getting close to becoming official:

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Pernell McPhee expected to finalize deal with #Redskins today, per sources. Outside linebacker will help in pass rush and set run edge.[/URL]

I hope we can sign Hankins sometime this week. I feel that with all of these signings, the team can have more flexibility in the draft. Also, signing Hankins wouldn't count against us getting compensatory picks next offseason, since he was cut by Indy.[/quote]

McPhee missed several games each year at Chicago. I am sure his contract will be heavily incentive based, high in roster bonus cash, like what Galette was NOT wanting. His cap number should leave plenty for Hankins. And I imagine the FO was kind of working through frameworks to make sure both players can be signed.

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It's official, the Redskins announced they signed McPhee.

[url=http://www.redskins.com/news/article-1/Redskins-Sign-LB-Pernell-McPhee/4ad95b24-d327-40a4-8855-96f7ec0b4476]Redskins Sign LB Pernell McPhee[/url]

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[url=http://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/league-source-doesnt-see-deal-between-johnathan-hankins-and-redskins-happening]A league source doesn't see a deal between Johnathan Hankins and the Redskins happening | NBC Sports Washington[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1191627][url=http://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/league-source-doesnt-see-deal-between-johnathan-hankins-and-redskins-happening]A league source doesn't see a deal between Johnathan Hankins and the Redskins happening | NBC Sports Washington[/url][/quote]

League source = Hankins agent probably. LOL.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1191628]League source = Hankins agent probably. LOL.[/quote]

For sure lol

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[quote=Ruhskins;1191628]League source = Hankins agent probably. LOL.[/quote]

Nah, Mike Florio.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1191628]League source = Hankins agent probably. LOL.[/quote]

JP Finlay interviewed Bruce today on his podcast (link below). Both from JPs comments before the interview and Bruces answer to a question surrounding not signing guys who’ve come in, i think it likely the source was actually Bruce.

[url]https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/redskins-talk/id1151988852?mt=2#episodeGuid=gid%3A%2F%2Fart19-episode-locator%2FV0%2FKbOvmprSI-1wNXw_TXZIozP9Pipe8LIAhZRRVJG9RHU[/url]

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[quote=Schneed10;1191623]It's official, the Redskins announced they signed McPhee.

[url=http://www.redskins.com/news/article-1/Redskins-Sign-LB-Pernell-McPhee/4ad95b24-d327-40a4-8855-96f7ec0b4476]Redskins Sign LB Pernell McPhee[/url][/quote]

I like the signing. Would hope we could still get Hankins, but if not, I think the 'skins have done well in free agency. There might still be a chance Breeland winds up coming back, possibly. Still, I think it's setting us up for a proper draft this year.

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[quote=metalskins;1191644]I like the signing. Would hope we could still get Hankins, but if not, I think the 'skins have done well in free agency. There might still be a chance Breeland winds up coming back, possibly. Still, I think it's setting us up for a proper draft this year.[/quote]

I think they told Breeland not to let the door kick him on the way out. But i agree it’s been a very solid free agency. I’m fine with letting everyone they did go. Fullers the only one that hurts.

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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1191648]I think they told Breeland not to let the door kick him on the way out. But i agree it’s been a very solid free agency. I’m fine with letting everyone they did go. Fullers the only one that hurts.[/QUOTE]



I’m curious about that. Were there reports he was a problem? I thought he had a decent season and he ought to be cheaper after a voided contract. I wouldn’t mind a return at the right price. We know it will be less than 3 yrs at $24M with $11M guaranteed as that’s the contract he just lost out on.


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I could see Breeland coming back on like a 1 year 5 million dollar deal and then rebooting his free agency next year.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1191650]I could see Breeland coming back on like a 1 year 5 million dollar deal and then rebooting his free agency next year.[/QUOTE]I think we could even sign him to less than that, since he can't pass any physical tests before months.
So we basically are the only ones who could sign him. If we want to bring him back, I don't see him having much of a choice.

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[quote=metalskins;1191644]I like the signing. Would hope we could still get Hankins, but if not, I think the 'skins have done well in free agency. There might still be a chance Breeland winds up coming back, possibly. Still, I think it's setting us up for a proper draft this year.[/quote]

I don't think the Skins are done in FA. It has been reported that the Skins have stayed in touch with Bennie Logan's agent, for example. Also, there are still some good players who may be cut for salary cap reasons and the Skins could make a bargain basement signing, as well.

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I don't think Breeland's going to get much of a deal from any team this year. There's real concern about the wound on his foot. If it requires a skin graft like they're saying, those take forever to heal. He likely would not be ready until the regular season, if that.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1191670]I don't think Breeland's going to get much of a deal from any team this year. There's real concern about the wound on his foot. If it requires a skin graft like they're saying, those take forever to heal. He likely would not be ready until the regular season, if that.[/QUOTE]



But from his perspective, he ought to be interested in a deal that gives him a chance to prove he’s healthy. It’s now a Buyer’s market. Given the familiarity we have with each other, we’d seem like the likely candidate to take a flier.


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It would be great if we could resign Breeland, even if it's just for one year. This move would take one thing off the list we need to resolve during this offseason.

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[quote=GridIron26;1191675]It would be great if we could resign Breeland, even if it's just for one year. This move would take one thing off the list we need to resolve during this offseason.[/quote]

It's odd that nothing has even came out about him since.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1191676]It's odd that nothing has even came out about him since.[/quote]

Maybe they don't see any sense in spending more after signing ScandRick, extending Dunbar and having faith in Moreau.

But baring any unexpected quick healing in his foot, I really feel like we can say him "No one is gonna offer you more than a bag of chips, we're offering you a bag of chips AND a ham sandwich if you're healthy come week 1" and he wouldn't have much of a choice.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1191682]Maybe they don't see any sense in spending more after signing ScandRick, extending Dunbar and having faith in Moreau.

But baring any unexpected quick healing in his foot, I really feel like we can say him "No one is gonna offer you more than a bag of chips, we're offering you a bag of chips AND a ham sandwich if you're healthy come week 1" and he wouldn't have much of a choice.[/quote]

Likely he will see offers once training camps open, and he can show his foot is healing properly.

edit:
I hadn't really read what happened.
[quote]Breeland cut his foot in a non-football related injury and it has since become infected. The 26-year-old was in the Dominican Republic when a golf cart hit the back of his left heel, re-opening a wound [B]he suffered in the fourth grade[/B]. The injury will require a skin graft.[/quote]

What a freak accident!!

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I think I know why Hankins didn't sign with us, right away at least. Apparently Redskins made a one year deal offer to Hankins, while he wanted multiple years contract per Keim. I am surprised by the offer Redskins made, perhaps they wasn't sure if Hankins is good fit for our defense system?

[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/36187/dan-snyders-history-suggests-another-losing-season-wont-be-tolerated]Dan Snyder's history suggests another losing season won't be tolerated - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

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[QUOTE=GridIron26;1192245]I think I know why Hankins didn't sign with us, right away at least. Apparently Redskins made a one year deal offer to Hankins, while he wanted multiple years contract per Keim. I am surprised by the offer Redskins made, perhaps they wasn't sure if Hankins is good fit for our defense system?



[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/36187/dan-snyders-history-suggests-another-losing-season-wont-be-tolerated]Dan Snyder's history suggests another losing season won't be tolerated - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url][/QUOTE]


I think the offer to Hankins says they like him, but they don’t love him. And as Keim says he’s a two down player.

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They also have one of the lowest cap spaces for 2019 with three young guys (Scherff, Crowder and Smith) to sign

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[quote=MTK;1192246]I think the offer to Hankins says they like him, but they don’t love him. And as Keim says he’s a two down player.[/quote]

He’s one of the top run stopping dline men in the game...this silly logic of only 2 down seems to be the same thing we’ve heard in the past which has lead the defense towards the bottom of the league...especially against the run.

You really have to be a dumb ass franchise to run a base defense 3-4 without a NT. Why not just move to a base 4-3?

It’s ridiculous to watch Bruce and the front office every year make the same mistakes.

Well Chico there only in the base 30% of snaps...yeah I know that and we continue to get gashed 50% of the time no matter which package we are in against the run.

If you use the same logic of 2 down...then you better not spend a first round pick on a 2 down d-tackle.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1192248]He’s one of the top run stopping dline men in the game...this silly logic of only 2 down seems to be the same thing we’ve heard in the past which has lead the defense towards the bottom of the league...especially against the run.



You really have to be a dumb ass franchise to run a base defense 3-4 without a NT. Why not just move to a base 4-3?



It’s ridiculous to watch Bruce and the front office every year make the same mistakes.



Well Chico there only in the base 30% of snaps...yeah I know that and we continue to get gashed 50% of the time no matter which package we are in against the run.



If you use the same logic of 2 down...then you better not spend a first round pick on a 2 down d-tackle.[/QUOTE]



Vea needs work as a pass rusher, Payne is more versatile, he would be my pick personally

Bottom line is do you give a big deal to Hankins for perhaps 20 snaps a game?

Even if you draft Vea his price tag is significantly less than Hankins. The logic here isn't don't sign a two down guy, it's don't sign a two down guy to a contract that's going to put the squeeze on your cap

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When Allen Foster and Brown were all healthy the Skins held opponents to three yards per carry on first and second down.

That’s not to say there’s not room for improvement, or even that a NT like Hankins wouldn’t help. But I don’t think I’d overspend either if I knew my plan was to use Ioannidis and Allen in the nickel. I’m not playing Hankins 9M per season if he’s not a three down lineman. I’d rather look at Bennie Logan for $4M or something.

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Before all the injuries set in we were running the ball well (remember hanging 200+ on the Rams?) and playing good D. I think that's been forgotten just a bit. Yes we still have needs at RB and along the DL, but I think those needs are a bit overblown. Especially when I see people suggesting Guice at #13 overall is a good idea.

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I fully agree with that. We should remember what our team looks like when healthy and build off that, not try to build off the injury ravaged bunch that closed out the season.

We should select BPA at 13. It could be a difference maker in the secondary or on the D line, or even a guard. Better yet, trade back if possible and select BPA at that point.

We need some holes filled but we’re not in a complete rebuild. The last thing I’d do is make a reach pick for need.

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[quote=MTK;1192249]Vea needs work as a pass rusher, Payne is more versatile, he would be my pick personally

Bottom line is do you give a big deal to Hankins for perhaps 20 snaps a game?

Even if you draft Vea his price tag is significantly less than Hankins. The logic here isn't don't sign a two down guy, it's don't sign a two down guy to a contract that's going to put the squeeze on your cap[/quote]

But your making an assumption that Payne and Vea pan...Hankins is a proven commodity in both the 3-4 and 4-3 schemes who balls the fuck out.

Like some in the past who have claimed...”our cap management has never the prevented the Skins from making moves and still finding space to sign our own”....ill go ahead and trust them to sign a Hankins and keep our up coming free agents...

I mean, Hankins wouldn’t be another waste of fuckin money like McClain.

There are different ways to cut the pie...but for ffs, stop this garbage of no plan at dt/nt.

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So basically sign Hankins at his price and hope for the best in getting our guys signed long term, sounds like a solid plan lol

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Yeah does sound like a solid plan indeed. But may not work.

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The Skins have definitely gone to a more conservative cap approach, signings that are heavy on playtime incentives, shorter terms for new players, market based values. I see that as more positive then before and less likely to have bad players for big money, but it also seems to mean you lose out in certain position groups, like DT who know they have a limited time to make big money.

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[quote=Schneed10;1192252]I fully agree with that. We should remember what our team looks like when healthy and build off that, not try to build off the injury ravaged bunch that closed out the season.

We should select BPA at 13. It could be a difference maker in the secondary or on the D line, or even a guard. Better yet, trade back if possible and select BPA at that point.

We need some holes filled but we’re not in a complete rebuild. The last thing I’d do is make a reach pick for need.[/quote]

trading back makes sense, according to Tandler and the point system, if they trade back 5 picks they get a 3rd round pick and if they go back 10 picks they could get a 2nd round pick- It could be even better if a QB slides

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[quote=MTK;1192254]So basically sign Hankins at his price and hope for the best in getting our guys signed long term, sounds like a solid plan lol[/quote]

It needs to be a balanced approach...and right now we have options. I just worry about getting caught holding our dicks when are depth chart has major holes...dt,lg,online reserves, and rb....some reasonable talent on the board...demarco Murray, Hankins, Logan etc....and then you cross your fingers hoping the draft goes our way to get best player available while filling reasonable needs.

We can mitigate some cap by cutting McClain post June 1....I believe.

I’m looking forward to the draft to see how this all works out because there happens to be some serious talent at places we need it the most.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1192253]There are different ways to cut the pie...but for ffs, stop this garbage of no plan at dt/nt.[/QUOTE]


Allen, Ionaddidis, Lanier, in all likelihood Payne or Vea... no plan there?

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1192258]It needs to be a balanced approach...and right now we have options. I just worry about getting caught holding our dicks when are depth chart has major holes...dt,lg,online reserves, and rb....some reasonable talent on the board...demarco Murray, Hankins, Logan etc....and then you cross your fingers hoping the draft goes our way to get best player available while filling reasonable needs.

We can mitigate some cap by cutting McClain post June 1....I believe.

I’m looking forward to the draft to see how this all works out because there happens to be some serious talent at places we need it the most.[/QUOTE]McClain was such a liability last year.

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