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[quote=los panda;1226520]If the best we can get for him is something in the ball park of 5th or 6th rd pick, I say put him on the Reserve/Did Not Report list and leave him there to rot.

T Willy, we all hate the front office but we still love the team. Come on, Dawg.

Fuck![/quote]

If Trent is willing to honor the last 2 years of his contract, then they should be able to get 2 or 3 high picks. A 2nd and 3rd in 2020 and a 3rd in 2021. NE would do that in a heartbeat and Trent probably love a chance at winning a Superbowl.

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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1226526]If Trent is willing to honor the last 2 years of his contract, then they should be able to get 2 or 3 high picks. A 2nd and 3rd in 2020 and a 3rd in 2021. NE would do that in a heartbeat and Trent probably love a chance at winning a Superbowl.[/QUOTE]I would do that in a heartbeat at this point but I'd be surprised if the return is that juicy.

He'll probably insist on a more lucrative extension.

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We need him in the OL, badly. Make a quick decision and either pay him the money or trade him. But with BA running this show, this will probably turn into another K. Cousins debacle. He’s one of the few elite players on this team- keep him.


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[quote=Irrefutable;1226526]If Trent is willing to honor the last 2 years of his contract, then they should be able to get 2 or 3 high picks. A 2nd and 3rd in 2020 and a 3rd in 2021. NE would do that in a heartbeat and Trent probably love a chance at winning a Superbowl.[/quote]

You are not getting that for a guy who misses 1/4 of the games at his age. One second round pick will be the max.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1226539]You are not getting that for a guy who misses 1/4 of the games at his age. One second round pick will be the max.[/quote]I would take that quickly. I have a feeling a team would part with a 3rd, but a 2nd is going to be more challenging. BA better be on the phones. Trent is not playing for us this year and maybe ever again.

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Zero chance of getting a 2 for a Trent Williams. Most likely a 3 or 4. I still don’t get why everyone is shocked that he’s still holding out or that he may never play another game for us. He said exactly that 3 months ago. He vowed to never play another game for the Redskins. There was no ambiguity in his statement. The Redskins may not have chose to believe it but the man made it crystal clear in June.

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[quote=RedskinJake;1226552]Zero chance of getting a 2 for a Trent Williams. Most likely a 3 or 4. I still don’t get why everyone is shocked that he’s still holding out or that he may never play another game for us. He said exactly that 3 months ago. He vowed to never play another game for the Redskins. There was no ambiguity in his statement. The Redskins may not have chose to believe it but the man made it crystal clear in June.[/quote]

Where did the quote come from? A "source"? Until I hear it from him, I'm not jumping to any conclusions.

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Trent knows his value to the team, after last night we are fucked

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1226561]Trent knows his value to the team, after last night we are fucked[/quote]

None of the starters played on offense or defense (which to me is a big issue). Yet, it would not surprise me if we see something come out of Trent's camp (via their mouthpiece JLC) if the team has a good preseason game.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1226562]None of the starters played on offense or defense (which to me is a big issue). Yet, it would not surprise me if we see something come out of Trent's camp (via their mouthpiece JLC) if the team has a good preseason game.[/quote]

Yeah I also don't get why zero starters played, like these mfers need the reps. We do some dumb shit man

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1226563]Yeah I also don't get why zero starters played, like these mfers need the reps. We do some dumb shit man[/quote]

Especially in the 1st series, we had back ups on the online going against f'ing Miles Garrett and Olivier Vernon.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1226563]Yeah I also don't get why zero starters played, like these mfers need the reps. We do some dumb shit man[/quote]

I don't get it either. This team hasn't done anything in awhile and they are holding these guys out like they are coming off 3 straight Super Bowls. These team needs to get desperate yet they cruise along like nothing is wrong. Makes no sense.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1226558]Where did the quote come from? A "source"? Until I hear it from him, I'm not jumping to any conclusions.[/quote]

Jason La Canfora on June 5 via Twitter...

"Trent Williams issues with Skins are not financial at all according to numerous sources with knowledge of the situation. He's told teammates he has demanded a trade or his release from the club due to their handling of his recent medical situation. Has vowed not to play for them"

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[quote=los panda;1226520]If the best we can get for him is something in the ball park of 5th or 6th rd pick, I say put him on the Reserve/Did Not Report list and leave him there to rot.

T Willy, we all hate the front office but we still love the team. Come on, Dawg.

Fuck![/quote]

Totally. TW is old, injury prone, and one toke from being over the line. No way does a team part with a 1st or 2nd for him. Getting a 3rd would be a miracle. They should get what they can for him and send him on his way.

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[quote=irish;1226597]I don't get it either. This team hasn't done anything in awhile and they are holding these guys out like they are coming off 3 straight Super Bowls. These team needs to get desperate yet they cruise along like nothing is wrong. Makes no sense.[/quote]Agreed. Gruden is concerned about injuries after last few years. Can't play scared. These guys need the reps. They need to play at least 1-2 series minimum. All of them.

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[quote=irish;1226599]Totally. TW is old, injury prone, and one toke from being over the line. No way does a team part with a 1st or 2nd for him. Getting a 3rd would be a miracle. They should get what they can for him and send him on his way.[/quote]I think a team will pony up a 3rd for him. Maybe not now, but a playoff contender who loses a tackle for the year would consider. A 3rd for him at this point is very fair.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1226563]Yeah I also don't get why zero starters played, like these mfers need the reps. We do some dumb shit man[/quote]

Jay has always made game 1 preseason game #5. That has been a very annoying aspect of his tenure.

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A RB, Duke Johnson from the Browns got traded for a conditional 3rd. I'd think that most likely the best LT would command more. I could see that the holdout gives leverage to the other team, but not if they lose their LT for the season. So, you wait...



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[quote=WillH;1226605]A RB, Duke Johnson from the Browns got traded for a conditional 3rd. I'd think that most likely the best LT would command more. I could see that the holdout gives leverage to the other team, but not if they lose their LT for the season. So, you wait...



Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk[/quote]That's what I feel they are doing. I honestly don't think the team is attempting to retain him. They realize and accept he's done in DC.

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I’m happy to pay T-dub a little more money and more guaranteed money over the next several years while we transition to Haskins, protecting his left side. It’s tough to find a top 3 performer at such an impactful position, even at his age.

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[QUOTE=The Skinsinator;1226602]Agreed. Gruden is concerned about injuries after last few years. Can't play scared. These guys need the reps. They need to play at least 1-2 series minimum. All of them.[/QUOTE]I don't disagree with you, but to be fair, he did say part of it is they're mostly all coming back from injury to some degree or another, and a few more days would make a difference. I think that's true for several of them, like Colt, Sweat, Guice, Thompson, etc.

And as far as Colt, in this QB competition, he needs to see the other guys more than him, he knows Colt. Reed is a similar situation, yes it would help for the QB to develop timing with his receivers, but I think that's over rated, that's been the excuse for Doctson for three years. Reed on the other hand, he can be thrown to by anyone. I mean, you or I could stand back there and throw it to him.

That said, no McLauren... that is a question. He clearly didn't bench him for negative reasons. He played one snap, and he's been raved about in camp. So, is it to protect him from injury in the preseason? Most likely. He could possibly though be not showing his hand with him yet, or he's a receiver that anyone can throw to like Reed. I hope is the latter.

I digress, yeah, I agree they need to play more. Kevin Sheehan and Cooley said it too. Tom Brady threw like 40 or 50 some odd passes in the preseason to Alex Smith's 14 last year. That said, Haskins had 18 last night alone, and it makes perfect sense to get him as many reps in the preseason as possible.

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[quote=WillH;1226609]I don't disagree with you, but to be fair, he did say part of it is they're mostly all coming back from injury to some degree or another, and a few more days would make a difference. I think that's true for several of them, like Colt, Sweat, Guice, Thompson, etc.

And as far as Colt, in this QB competition, he needs to see the other guys more than him, he knows Colt. Reed is a similar situation, yes it would help for the QB to develop timing with his receivers, but I think that's over rated, that's been the excuse for Doctson for three years. Reed on the other hand, he can be thrown to by anyone. I mean, you or I could stand back there and throw it to him.

That said, no McLauren... that is a question. He clearly didn't bench him for negative reasons. He played one snap, and he's been raved about in camp. So, is it to protect him from injury in the preseason? Most likely. He could possibly though be not showing his hand with him yet, or he's a receiver that anyone can throw to like Reed. I hope is the latter.

I digress, yeah, I agree they need to play more. Kevin Sheehan and Cooley said it too. Tom Brady threw like 40 or 50 some odd passes in the preseason to Alex Smith's 14 last year. That said, Haskins had 18 last night alone, and it makes perfect sense to get him as many reps in the preseason as possible.

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk[/quote]Any players with injury issues currently, totally see why they should not play. Those, however, who are not need to play at least some. We have to see what we have in these guys in live action. I'm crossing my fingers that we'll see more players/starters the next couple games.

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[QUOTE=WillH;1226605]A RB, Duke Johnson from the Browns got traded for a conditional 3rd. I'd think that most likely the best LT would command more. I could see that the holdout gives leverage to the other team, but not if they lose their LT for the season. So, you wait...



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But....number one the Browns didn’t need Duke like we need Trent so he was “expendable “ and number two he isn’t older.
That being said yes if a contender at some point down the road needs a LT to put them over the hump they might over pay.

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[quote=punch it in;1226615]But....number one the Browns didn’t need Duke like we need Trent so he was “expendable “ and number two he isn’t older.
That being said yes if a contender at some point down the road needs a LT to put them over the hump they might over pay.[/quote]A 3rd for a running back is still pretty generous. The position is just easier to replenish than a left tackle. Yes, I get the age difference. But, TW is still considered top notch. A 3rd for all things considered is fair for TW.

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Just watched the game. I'm taking a road trip to Silverbacks home tomorrow and begging him to come back.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1226628]Just watched the game. I'm taking a road trip to Silverbacks home tomorrow and begging him to come back.[/quote]Lol let us know how that goes for you. Think he's serious about not playing for us anymore.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1226628]Just watched the game. I'm taking a road trip to Silverbacks home tomorrow and begging him to come back.[/quote]

.............note, I wouldn't call him "silverback" to his face but hey that's just me.:twocents:

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[quote=Giantone;1226635].............note, I wouldn't call him "silverback" to his face but hey that's just me.:twocents:[/quote]

Sigh...

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1226637]Sigh...[/QUOTE]He just didn't realize TW gave himself the nickname, and a tattoo

[url]https://www.tmz.com/2012/07/23/trent-williams-silverback-gorilla-tattoo/[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1226646]He just didn't realize TW gave himself the nickname, and a tattoo

[url]https://www.tmz.com/2012/07/23/trent-williams-silverback-gorilla-tattoo/[/url]

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk[/quote]That tatoo is insane and pricey! Bet Trent spent also a big portion of his day at the parlor for that one.

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[quote=The Skinsinator;1226653]That tatoo is insane and pricey! Bet Trent spent also a big portion of his day at the parlor for that one.[/quote]

That's not a one-day deal, something that big is probably a 12 hours a day for 4 or 5 day deal.

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[quote=mooby;1226681]That's not a one-day deal, something that big is probably a 12 hours a day for 4 or 5 day deal.[/quote]Wow! That's quite the commitment. Tattoo is still sick though!

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The Redskins should offer TW more guaranteed money or trade him. NOW. There is no in between.I think we could get a 2nd or 3rd from a team with lots of empty cap space - like the Texans. If the Redskins want to keep TW they should stay so in public. Show him the love! But I’m sure Bruce Allen will make the worst possible choice - like hinting that they are going to punish TW into coming back to play.


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Washington has told multiple teams this summer it is not trading 7-time Pro Bowl OT Trent Williams, per sources. Williams has held out of camp, but Washington hasn’t flinched. Teams repeatedly have called about Williams, teams have inquired, and so far, teams have been rebuffed.

Per Adam S.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1226784]Washington has told multiple teams this summer it is not trading 7-time Pro Bowl OT Trent Williams, per sources. Williams has held out of camp, but Washington hasn’t flinched. Teams repeatedly have called about Williams, teams have inquired, and so far, teams have been rebuffed.

Per Adam S.[/quote]Well guess we're going to keep him as a disgruntled player who refuses to play and not getting anything in return. Very Bruce Allen-like. He's not playing for the Redskins anymore. Get something in return now.

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[quote=The Skinsinator;1226785]Well guess we're going to keep him as a disgruntled player who refuses to play and not getting anything in return. Very Bruce Allen-like. He's not playing for the Redskins anymore. Get something in return now.[/quote]

I bet $21 million he will.

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21 million dollars seems like a good reason to show up the week before the season starts.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1226789]I bet $21 million he will.[/QUOTE]



Punishing a player with fines and lost game money seems like a real Bruce Allen / Dan Snyder move. “Beat him until his morale improves!”

“If he won’t play for us then he’ll play for no one.”

This management buffoonery is why the Redskins are consistently one of the NFL’s worst teams.

Trade him for a second or third round draft pick for next year, we’ll be drafting for the OL anyway in the draft.

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Hope things can be working out but it seems very unlikely. As long as BA is in charge, T.W. will not come back!

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[quote=Schneed10;1226789]I bet $21 million he will.[/quote]He states differently:

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/trent-williams-fine-missing-regular-season-and-will-not-play-redskins-period-sources[/url]

As usual, Snyder and Allen feel they can buy their way out of this mess. SMH.
I wanna know if there's a real issue with the medical staff. Cravens is pissed and says he is still owed money by the team. Clearly, TW is livid. Either way, tough situation for all.