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Do we really need lots of help? Not saying we don't but wasn't coaching the biggest issue in recent years?

I mean look at SF. Yes Kittle and Bosa are potential HoF players but it's not like they have a fully loaded roster. The biggest difference maker to that team was getting coaching (though Lynch deserves a lot of credit).

Maybe we shouldn't be too ready to trade away a potential difference maker in exchange for just more picks. Maybe CY isn't what he's made out to be, but there's more chance he is than he isn't. Is there 1, maybe even 2 players lower down the order that offer the potential impact he does? Maybe but unlikely based on the analysis I've seen. Quality over quantity in my book.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249546]Nick Bosa on CY “There are some games where you see the tackles he’s going against & it’s a complete joke... you don’t run into that in the NFL, you’re facing a beast every week”

Thanks capt obvious[/quote]

Didn't Bosa face basically the same college competition?

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1249560]Do we really need lots of help? Not saying we don't but wasn't coaching the biggest issue in recent years?

I mean look at SF. Yes Kittle and Bosa are potential HoF players but it's not like they have a fully loaded roster. The biggest difference maker to that team was getting coaching (though Lynch deserves a lot of credit).

Maybe we shouldn't be too ready to trade away a potential difference maker in exchange for just more picks. Maybe CY isn't what he's made out to be, but there's more chance he is than he isn't. Is there 1, maybe even 2 players lower down the order that offer the potential impact he does? Maybe but unlikely based on the analysis I've seen. Quality over quantity in my book.[/quote]

SF had a damn good offense to help that D stay fresh, we do not have that

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[quote=rocnrik;1249553]He is right !! Based on all the great expectations on Payne and Allen and sweat we should allready be a way way better Defensive team.. now everybody is saying if we get Young we are gonna have a top D .... Jack del rio will make more of a difference than any one player .. Haskins lit it up in college and looked lost on the nfl field .. he did get better down the stretch .. I’m sure we are taking young and all that but I wish somebody would trade the farm for our pick ... we need lots of help[/quote]

Allen is the most disappointing to me, I thought he was going to be a stud!

I've watched the tape on CY and Simmons, I have to tell ya I think Simmons could make a Huge impact for us as well.

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less than a week to the draft, Thank God!!!

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1249560]Do we really need lots of help? Not saying we don't but wasn't coaching the biggest issue in recent years?

I mean look at SF. Yes Kittle and Bosa are potential HoF players but it's not like they have a fully loaded roster. The biggest difference maker to that team was getting coaching (though Lynch deserves a lot of credit).

Maybe we shouldn't be too ready to trade away a potential difference maker in exchange for just more picks. Maybe CY isn't what he's made out to be, but there's more chance he is than he isn't. Is there 1, maybe even 2 players lower down the order that offer the potential impact he does? Maybe but unlikely based on the analysis I've seen. Quality over quantity in my book.[/quote]

San Fran has really nice pieces on defense that was built from the draft and a secondary that benefited sitting in zone coverages.

The ultimate compliment to that defense is the offense system. On San Fran offense its scheme > talent. Oline...good not great, RB...role players, WR...role players...QB...above average...TE...great athletic player who is in a scheme that features the tight end.

That offense is well coach, but it based on a running scheme which allows a defense to sit and rest.

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When the smoke clears from these offseason moves, I'm going to support whatever moves RR makes or doesn't make. He deserves a chance to do his way what he is tasked to do by the team owner.

If he reads this post I'm sure he'll be relieved to know that I'm giving him a mulligan. ;)

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[quote=Chico23231;1249572]San Fran has really nice pieces on defense that was built from the draft and a secondary that benefited sitting in zone coverages.

The ultimate compliment to that defense is the offense system. On San Fran offense its scheme > talent. Oline...good not great, RB...role players, WR...role players...QB...above average...TE...great athletic player who is in a scheme that features the tight end.

That offense is well coach, but it based on a running scheme which allows a defense to sit and rest.[/quote]

Yep and the only reason they sucked the year prior was due to a ton of injuries and their QB1 was out.

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All the buzz lately is that Tua is not worth taking at #2 and may even fall out of the top 10. No one's trading up for Tua. Chase Young is about as much of a lock as there can be.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1249598]All the buzz lately is that Tua is not worth taking at #2 and may even fall out of the top 10. No one's trading up for Tua. Chase Young is about as much of a lock as there can be.[/quote]

I can definitely see Tua dropping. And yeah, nobody is going to give up picks to take a risk on him with that injury history.

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Detroit open to trading down:

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29049304/lions-open-trading-no-3-pick-nfl-draft-gm-bob-quinn-says[/url]

Looks like Chase Young for sure barring something surprising. He looked beastly on NFL Network recently training. Kid has monster potential. Keep the Ohio St pipeline going. Interested to see what te/wr we target in this draft.

HTTR!

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When i thought we could potentially get a HAUL from Miami, I was all about trading down as we could go to 5 and still get a dynamic playmaker like Okudah or Simmons and then still get a TON of picks. So passing on Young would be hard, but worth it. At this point, there is not going to be an offer that would make it worth our while to give up on him.

The only way Chase Young is not a redskin this time next week is if the Bengals surprise everyone and take him at #1.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1249626]When i thought we could potentially get a HAUL from Miami, I was all about trading down as we could go to 5 and still get a dynamic playmaker like [B]Okudah[/B] or Simmons and then still get a TON of picks. So passing on Young would be hard, but worth it. At this point, there is not going to be an offer that would make it worth our while to give up on him.

The only way Chase Young is not a redskin this time next week is if the Bengals surprise everyone and take him at #1.[/quote]

Sorry, he is "Regular Unleaded Gas" - nothing special and benefited from a killer pass rush his whole collegiate career.

- Fred Smoot

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Give me Chase Young, a new stud wr and all olinemen after that. This would dramatically improve this team. Haskins will kill it was protection. Also our stud tbs (AP, Guice, Love, Mckissic.) If we move Williams, we could be really looking different/improved post draft.

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[quote=MTK;1249601]I can definitely see Tua dropping. And yeah, nobody is going to give up picks to take a risk on him with that injury history.[/quote]

He won’t make it past Jacksonville at 9. You heard it here first. Lol.

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[quote=Meks;1249627]Sorry, he is "Regular Unleaded Gas" - nothing special and benefited from a killer pass rush his whole collegiate career.

- Fred Smoot[/quote]

Fred is literally the only guy to say that, wonder if he's even watched the tape? Maybe the pass rush was helped due to their star CBs?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249645]Fred is literally the only guy to say that, wonder if he's even watched the tape? Maybe the pass rush was helped due to their star CBs?[/quote]

Lol right

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When I started this thread I thought there was a very good chance of a trade down. But after close examination, the only team with enough trade picks to justify NOT taking Chase Young is Miami. The only Miami picks worthy of Young were their #5 pick, another first rounder (#18) and probably a second rounder. Many have advocated that sort of trade.

The problem is, Miami isn’t going to make the offer. Most likely, they just have to sit at #5, do nothing, and Tua will fall in their laps. Besides Cincy, none of the next three drafting teams want a QB. The Coronavirus crisis will make every team more cautious in the draft.

The Redskins played the “we want to draft Tua to replace Haskins” card fairly well, but ultimately only conspiracy buffs, sports writers needing a bogus story to gain readership, or NFL fans who only saw Haskins first game, believed this idea. Miami doesn’t accept this propaganda from Rivera and that’s all that matters. Finally, big trade offers are very rare and often end up being huge busts for the team offering so many draft picks. Case in point is the RG3 deal. So, for many reasons, the big draft trade idea, with Miami is just a pipe dream. I am surprised that a well-respected and smart writer like Bosewell (Washington Post) would urge such a trade.

We will draft Chase Young and I’m extremely excited to see how he energizes the defense and gives us the first elite pass rush in over 25 years. I and many in the NFL just want to see how good Chase actually is and whether he’s even 50% of the hype.

Fortunately, he will have an outstanding Defensive Coordinator and HC to learn from AND they will properly use his talents. Also, the rest of the Redskin’s DL is just going to explode this season, as the spotlight shines on Chase. Unfortunately, it does take EVERY rookie time to master their position - even if he is the phenom everyone says he is. So Young will do well, we’ll see occasional flashes of greatness, but I doubt he’s going to blaze with full afterburners right from the first play. 10-12 sacks.

Rejoice Redskins fans! We may be drafting an outstanding player or maybe even a superstar with Chase. A hometown hero returning to his team. Just don’t expect miracles right away. Simply his presence and media attention will help Sweat, Allen, Payne and Ionnadis to improve and excel. I predict that the defense will go from the basement level to the top 10. We may be getting as big a superstar as Sean Taylor, but more importantly the defensive squad will be lifted by his play and will be the best part of this team at least next year and beyond. HAIL!


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Less than a week to go. Yesss!!!!

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1249653][IMG]https://i.redd.it/q5sb4mx8a9641.jpg[/IMG][/quote]Love it! Cannot wait until Thursday. Kid is going to be a monster and make this entire team much better. Mark it down.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1249598]All the buzz lately is that Tua is not worth taking at #2 and may even fall out of the top 10. No one's trading up for Tua. Chase Young is about as much of a lock as there can be.[/quote]

You know its smokescreen season right? Teams put out bogus information before the draft. Just saying

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1249653][IMG]https://i.redd.it/q5sb4mx8a9641.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]I hope he doesn't wear 92 fuck that # lol

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[quote=ArizonaSkinFan;1249672]You know its smokescreen season right? Teams put out bogus information before the draft. Just saying[/quote]

Coaches and GMs tell more lies than politicians this time of year.

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Give CY #99 or #55 it's two(double) of one number.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1249676]Coaches and GMs tell more lies than politicians this time of year.[/quote]

Now that's a lot of lying.

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Chase Young against Washington.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=146&v=yAHUU6jUUJs&feature=emb_logo[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;1249704]Chase Young against Washington.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=146&v=yAHUU6jUUJs&feature=emb_logo[/url][/quote]

This was also from 2 years ago... There have been games where he has 0 sacks he's not the terminator but he gets pressures and those are just as important.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249705]This was also from 2 years ago... There have been games where he has 0 sacks he's not the terminator but he gets pressures and those are just as important.[/quote]

I think that was Trey Adams at LT for Washington before he was injured and he played very well that game. He was once a top pro prospect who has been seriously hampered by severe knee and back injuries.

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I'm not one of the fans that are all over Chase like many skins fans are.. Some are saying ridiculous comments like "future hof" or "17 sacks a season" that's just stupid

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249709]I'm not one of the fans that are all over Chase like many skins fans are.. Some are saying ridiculous comments like "future hof" or "17 sacks a season" that's just stupid

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Well anyone averaging 17 sacks a season is insane, but with him matching with Sweat I think they can combine for 25 when both are healthy and at their ceiling. I just think he is gonna help take our defense to another level. We just dont have that star and people are looking forward to that potential.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;1249710]Well anyone averaging 17 sacks a season is insane, but with him matching with Sweat I think they can combine for 25 when both are healthy and at their ceiling. I just think he is gonna help take our defense to another level. We just dont have that star and people are looking forward to that potential.[/QUOTE]He's definitely going to be the best player on our D from day 1. The Bosa comparison isn't fair though because he had a stacked team around him and amazing offensive mind coaching in Shanny.

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In the games where he had zero sacks he was being double and even triple teamed. No opponent has shut him down with one on one blocking. So even is he does not produce a sack, he will be opening up lanes for other members of the D line.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249715]He's definitely going to be the best player on our D from day 1. The Bosa comparison isn't fair though because he had a stacked team around him and amazing offensive mind coaching in Shanny.

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In just terms of comparison as prospects yeah I definitely get the comparison

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1249709]I'm not one of the fans that are all over Chase like many skins fans are.. Some are saying ridiculous comments like "future hof" or "17 sacks a season" that's just stupid

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EVERY draft pick is a gamble. Can an outstanding college talent transition to the pro level? Can a young man with insane amounts of money (for that age) and fame, avoid the temptations that they bring? Can this player avoid injury at the NFL’s increased speed and power?

I see exciting things for Chase based on a few factors:

1. Mentorship - Kerrigan will be able to mentor Young about taking care of his body, maturity and learning the tricks of the trade as a elite Edge player.

2. Coaches - The Redskins FINALLY have an excellent HC, who has built teams before and taken them to the top. They also have an outstanding Defensive Coordinator in Del Rio. Prior excellent talent like Sweat, Kerrigan, Allen, Payne and Ionnadis was freaking WASTED due to poor coaching by Manusky and the awful DC before him. People were criticizing Sweat for not enough sacks when he was dropping back in pass coverage 50% of plays!! Going from terrible to outstanding coaching is going to TRANSFORM this defensive squad.

3. New DEFENSIVE talent - besides Young, we will add at least Fuller and Davis to the mix. Outstanding coaching and teaching at Defense plus new talent is going to transform this squad.

Will Chase Young be a Star? A superstar? A draft bust? We do not know until he plays here. But he has the building blocks to excel if he can stay heathy, stay away from the party life, and learn from his mentors and coaches. I’m excited to see him grow here on a (future) very good defense!!


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I'm getting tired of so many people here saying "Well, Chase is good but he isn't this and he isn't all-world" because it is all irrelevant in terms of DL play because a DL, much like an OL, is more than the sum of it's parts. We all know that Chase is a rare talent who is almost certain to cause problems for any offense but let's look at the whole DL with Chase. Just use your knowledge of what the current D-Linemen bring to the table and try to imagine this:

1. We're going to a four man line that will play an attacking, gap shooting style.
2. Forget about DE's dropping into coverage. They will be disruptors, sharks.

On passing downs:
3. Chase will play next to Matty Ice who is a sack master in his own right.
4. Sweat will play next to Jon Allen who can get after it, as well.
5. Matty will play between Chase and Allen.
6. Jon will play between Sweat and Matty.

On running downs:
7. We can play Da'Ron and Settle at DT and Matty and Jon at DE.

Depth:
8. We've got Settle and Kerrigan to use however Jack Del Rio decides.
9. Jack can rotate his DL's so that they are all fresh all day long.
10. Jack can use any combination of these players he can think of, effectively.

I haven't even mentioned run and pass blitzes by LB's or DB's.

Yes, indeed! With Chase just being Chase and not even all-world Chase and a new top-notch DC we are going to have a bad-ass DL.

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People forget our DC last season sucked. We had position coaches that had more experience and could of called better schemes JMO. We now have credible personnel holding down the DC spot. CY along with what we already have should take the front 4 alot better which should make the back 7 fast. HTTR.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1249732]People forget our DC last season sucked. We had position coaches that had more experience and could of called better schemes JMO. We now have credible personnel holding down the DC spot. CY along with what we already have should take the front 4 alot better which should make the back 7 fast. HTTR.[/quote]

I think the Redskins were last against the run and worst on 3rd down. You can't blame that all on Manusky.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1249764]I think the Redskins were last against the run and worst on 3rd down. You can't blame that all on Manusky.[/quote]


You can't??

Why not?

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I think Del Rio is going to show just how bad Manusky was