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[quote=MTK;1257196]Ok so where will the money come from?? As usual he's talking out of his ass.[/quote]
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[quote=SunnySide;1257191]Good morning Moody. Well written article (I only read the exerts you quoted).
I watched Wall-E last night and its message resonated with this article. While I agree with the article .. I also dont agree. The American dream is very much alive and achievable .... if you get lucky. Lucky - I have a friend who works at Giant just returning carts from the parking lot. He is union and I he makes almost $20 an hour with health. This guy is somewhat of a space cadet and couldnt work an office job or even a cashier job. He lives in a townhouse similar to mine but has a roommate. Lucky and lazy (truly what is wrong with America) - Neighbors down the street, parents do not work at all. have 5 kids. Yeah they live on the poverty line but they just bought their son one of those hover board things for his birthday and live in a town house exactly like mine. All sugar foods, leave trash everywhere. The State pays for everything. The landlord is kicking them out .. but they told me they have a realtor helping them find a new rental home? Covid money? Went on vacation to fucking Florida. Unlucky - On the flip side, my ex cannot find a job, she has interviewed a billion times with multiple grocery stores but no hire. No one wants to hire full time 40 hours. All these laces will offer you part time if you are lucky. Then you have to get lucky finding another part time job whose hours will harmonize with your other part time job. America has failed her. She would be in a homeless shelter if I dont pay about 2.5k every month for her apartment, food, utilities etc. Sorry for the rant .. American dream is achievable .. my ex just has to catch a break .. meanwhile people who arent even trying to find a job just live off the State and pop out a bunch of kids that go to school less than half the time and have no hope of being productive ... idk[/quote] You make good points too Sunny, and I agree for the most part. I think we can both agree that the system is broken right now, even if it's not broken for everyone. |
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[quote=MTK;1257194]Cutting payroll taxes is a cut to Social Security. Bad idea.[/quote]
I agree, but I think the stimulus to people who didn’t lose a job not a great idea either. Dumb was giving people extra money and incentivizing folks not to return to work...in no world does this make any sense. I think the most important is getting the money to small business affected and people directly affected in service industries. I’d say get the money to the states and let them parse it with federal oversight. We act like this is a normal economic crisis...this didn’t happen do to any economic issue. You better thank god this happened in an economy which was steamrolling. Many be in a world of fuckin hurt if it was in a middling, recovering or stalling economic conditions |
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Florida man strikes again
[URL="https://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-sheriff-forbids-staff-visitors-wearing-masks/story?id=72325542"]Florida sheriff forbids staff, visitors from wearing masks[/URL] |
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[quote=Chico23231;1257219]I agree, but I think the stimulus to people who didn’t lose a job not a great idea either.
Dumb was giving people extra money and incentivizing folks not to return to work...in no world does this make any sense. I think the most important is getting the money to small business affected and people directly affected in service industries. I’d say get the money to the states and let them parse it with federal oversight. We act like this is a normal economic crisis...this didn’t happen do to any economic issue. You better thank god this happened in an economy which was steamrolling. Many be in a world of fuckin hurt if it was in a middling, recovering or stalling economic conditions[/quote] Unemployment is for when you're out of a job , if you are called back and don't go,the Company is to contact unemployment and your money stops becuase you quit .It's simple ...you can not choose to stay out of work and still get unemployment ,if they are ....that's on the state. |
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[quote=mooby;1257207]Sounds like a problem for the next guy. Trump will be neck deep into plans to build Trump Tower Moscow by the time that concern comes along.[/quote]
trump might very well be in jail when not in the WH. |
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[quote=SunnySide;1257191]Good morning Moody. Well written article (I only read the exerts you quoted).
I watched Wall-E last night and its message resonated with this article. While I agree with the article .. I also dont agree. The American dream is very much alive and achievable .... if you get lucky. Lucky - I have a friend who works at Giant just returning carts from the parking lot. He is union and I he makes almost $20 an hour with health. This guy is somewhat of a space cadet and couldnt work an office job or even a cashier job. He lives in a townhouse similar to mine but has a roommate. [/quote] Not true . I worked for Giant for 31 years . I know the Union that represents the stores .What you're describing fell under the contract people had maybe 15-20 years ago. No one is "just pulling carts"(at Giant) and is making $20 and hour and if they are pulling carts they are part time. Many if not all the Giant associates got "Covid pay" for a while . Yet even if they did why is it that you think they are unworthy of making $20 hrs an hour ? As for your Ex , all I can say is if she wants a ful ltime job she has to earn it. Giant has been begging for people but all jobs are starting at part time and you work your way up to the Full time positions.Been that way atr Giant and Safeway for years. Question, your ex? You say she has been interviewed alot, yet no one will hire full time,she won't take part time?I mean isn't a little better that nothing .isn't that what you're ranting about? |
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No job offer, part time or full time, for the grocery stores. She interviewed multiple times with the 3 ones near us. She had a 8 year gap in employment and is now 1 month away from celebrating 2 years sober.
She just got her drivers license, taking an online pharmacy tech program. She is putting on weight, she went from doctors giving her 1 year to live to now being super healthy. My point was, I see all these signs hiring (pre covid) and wonder why people cant find jobs. Then I see her experience of struggling to find even part time offers. If people think there are full time jobs just waiting for the unemployed ... that is not the case. Its part time if you are lucky. She is making tremendous progress and she will catch her break. She just cant give up. To be fair, she always worked before she stopped working 8 years ago but all as a bartender and im sure she could have got a bartender/server job 2 years ago but that would have not worked for her sobriety. |
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[URL="https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/09/01/cdc-coronavirus-underlying-conditions-covid-19/3453988001/"]No, the CDC did not ‘quietly adjust’ US coronavirus deaths[/URL]
just amazes me we have a president that tweets out fake news on the regular |
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[quote=SunnySide;1257400]No job offer, part time or full time, for the grocery stores. She interviewed multiple times with the 3 ones near us. She had a 8 year gap in employment and is now 1 month away from celebrating 2 years sober.
She just got her drivers license, taking an online pharmacy tech program. She is putting on weight, she went from doctors giving her 1 year to live to now being super healthy. My point was, I see all these signs hiring (pre covid) and wonder why people cant find jobs. Then I see her experience of struggling to find even part time offers. If people think there are full time jobs just waiting for the unemployed ... that is not the case. Its part time if you are lucky. She is making tremendous progress and she will catch her break. She just cant give up. To be fair, she always worked before she stopped working 8 years ago but all as a bartender and im sure she could have got a bartender/server job 2 years ago but that would have not worked for her sobriety.[/quote] [url]https://giantfood.com/pages/careers[/url] [url]https://www.ziprecruiter.com/c/Giant-Food/Jobs[/url] [url]https://www.glassdoor.com/Jobs/Giant-Food-Jobs-E878.htm[/url] Hopefully these can help. |
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[B]President Trump announced a vaccine distribution plan Wednesday and predicted availability as early as October[/B], directly contradicting a much longer timeline offered earlier in the day by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) director.
[B]Dr. Robert Redfield told a panel of Senate lawmakers not to expect a coronavirus vaccine to become widely available to most of the U.S. population until the summer of 2021[/B] -- publicly rebuffing Trump’s repeated assertion that a vaccine might be available before the November election. [B]"I think he made a mistake when he said that. It's just incorrect information," Trump said Wednesday in response to a question from Fox News' John Roberts. "I believe he was confused." [/B] CDC'S REDFIELD CONTRADICTS TRUMP ADMIN ON COVID VACCINE TIMING, SAYS SOMETIME IN 2021 Trump also refuted Redfield’s statements that wearing a mask may be more important than a potential vaccine because there’s clear scientific evidence they work. [B]"I might even go so far as to say that this face mask is more guaranteed to protect me against Covid than when I take a Covid vaccine,” Redfield said[/B], holding up his face mask before the Senate panel. Trump said he spoke to Redfield afterwards and thinks the CDC director could have confused the question and answered "incorrectly." [B]"I think maybe he misunderstood it," Trump said, adding that "the mask is a mixed bag."[/B] In an apparent attempt to clarify his comments on Wednesday, Redfield tweeted later that a "vaccine is the thing that will get Americans back to normal everyday life," but also reiterated that the best defense against the contagion currently is wearing a mask. The coronavirus contradictions came as Trump confirmed at least one of his White House staffers tested positive for the virus. Trump didn't name the aide but said "it's not anybody that was near me." [url]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-refutes-cdcs-redfield-vaccine-timeline-i-beleive-he-was-confused[/url] Just making stuff up for election purposes. [B]Fifty-two percent of adults say they don't trust the president's vaccine comments, while just 26 percent say they do[/B]. Twenty percent say they are "not aware" whether they trust what the president has said about a vaccine. [url]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/poll-majority-adults-don-t-trust-trump-s-comments-covid-n1240080[/url] |
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[quote=SunnySide;1259091][B]President Trump announced a vaccine distribution plan Wednesday and predicted availability as early as October[/B], directly contradicting a much longer timeline offered earlier in the day by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) director.
[B]Dr. Robert Redfield told a panel of Senate lawmakers not to expect a coronavirus vaccine to become widely available to most of the U.S. population until the summer of 2021[/B] -- publicly rebuffing Trump’s repeated assertion that a vaccine might be available before the November election. [B]"I think he made a mistake when he said that. It's just incorrect information," Trump said Wednesday in response to a question from Fox News' John Roberts. "I believe he was confused." [/B] CDC'S REDFIELD CONTRADICTS TRUMP ADMIN ON COVID VACCINE TIMING, SAYS SOMETIME IN 2021 Trump also refuted Redfield’s statements that wearing a mask may be more important than a potential vaccine because there’s clear scientific evidence they work. [B]"I might even go so far as to say that this face mask is more guaranteed to protect me against Covid than when I take a Covid vaccine,” Redfield said[/B], holding up his face mask before the Senate panel. Trump said he spoke to Redfield afterwards and thinks the CDC director could have confused the question and answered "incorrectly." [B]"I think maybe he misunderstood it," Trump said, adding that "the mask is a mixed bag."[/B] In an apparent attempt to clarify his comments on Wednesday, Redfield tweeted later that a "vaccine is the thing that will get Americans back to normal everyday life," but also reiterated that the best defense against the contagion currently is wearing a mask. The coronavirus contradictions came as Trump confirmed at least one of his White House staffers tested positive for the virus. Trump didn't name the aide but said "it's not anybody that was near me." [url]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-refutes-cdcs-redfield-vaccine-timeline-i-beleive-he-was-confused[/url] Just making stuff up for election purposes. [B]Fifty-two percent of adults say they don't trust the president's vaccine comments, while just 26 percent say they do[/B]. Twenty percent say they are "not aware" whether they trust what the president has said about a vaccine. [url]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/poll-majority-adults-don-t-trust-trump-s-comments-covid-n1240080[/url][/quote] President Trump is selling hope to his base. Me personally, I'm not sure who to trust, the doctor who spent his entire life studying medicine and rising to the head of the CDC or the businessman who shits in a gold toilet. |
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The Rona has been handled so poorly by Trump it's insane that anyone trusts this fool.
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"If the not-so-good job was done, you'd be between 1.5 million—I remember these numbers so well—and 2.2 million. That's quite a difference," the president said.
"So we're down in this territory," Trump continued, pointing to the 100,000 to 240,000 projected death toll displayed on the chart. "And that's despite the fact that the blue states had tremendous death rates. If you take the blue states out, we're at a level that I don't think anybody in the world would be at. We're really at a very low level. But some of the states, they were blue states and blue-state-managed." "The most recent data, through Tuesday, indicates that about 53 percent of deaths have occurred in blue states—meaning that 47 percent have occurred in red ones. In other words, more than 90,000 deaths have occurred in red states. If that were the country's total, we would have seen the second-most number of deaths globally, trailing only Brazil." [url]https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/09/17/one-most-callous-sentiments-ever-uttered-us-president-trump-falsely-says-covid-death[/url] This plays along the lines of Trump stopping efforts to help with COVID on the federal level and passing responsibility to governors when he realized it was only effecting blue states in March and April. He basically saw it as a way out so he could take no responsibility, claiming its up to the States .. then having the Feds seize PPE the individual states had secured. Hes a horrible human being. Hes spent 3.8 years as POTUS just running a re-election campaign catering to the low educated, easily mislead red base. Only thing he is good at is name calling and making "liberals" freak out .. only thing low educated red voters care about - 'does it piss off the educated liberal elite?" |
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Do you think the conundrum of taking a vaccine that COULD have a microchip in it vs. listening to what their Orange Jesus tells them will make their heads explode?!
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lol wackos that worry about microchips but have no problem with having a smart phone
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EXACTLY. That meme cracks me up. I saw this thing on Reddit where they said if they were Bill Gates, they'd just tell the world to fuck off. Dude is literally trying to be Batman, doing all the good he can with his fortune and people still criticize him.
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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1259109]EXACTLY. That meme cracks me up. I saw this thing on Reddit where they said if they were Bill Gates, they'd just tell the world to fuck off. Dude is literally trying to be Batman, doing all the good he can with his fortune and people still criticize him.[/quote]
The amount of money and resources the Gates foundation has put into things like eradicating polio and now the Rona vaccine is astounding, but yeah the Karens of the world think he's trying to take over the world with microchips. Just idiotic. |
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My buddy sent me this (he is way more left than right)...
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i think it's time we accept as a nation that our way of life has permanently changed. Everything we remember from "before", is just that. Before our lives were all changed.
Dr. Fauci has doubled down in recent days, making clear that his opinion is that a vaccine WILL NOT end the pandemic, and even with Americans being vaccinated, we cannot abandon the public health measures and restrictions. He has said numerous times that we cannot, and should not, go back to living like we did before. Couple that with state governors who will lock things down / restrict indefinitely, i think we can all safely say that the life we lived before will now be just a memory. Life will go on as it always has, but it will be different. I read an article about how Americans fought against seat belts for so long, before eventually relenting. Permanent use of masks, home-school, working from home, and avoiding public places i believe will be the life of a USA citizen for the rest of our lives. At some point, people may no longer leave their homes anymore at all, because of fear of the virus. I think the sooner we process that, we can begin healing as a country. Sports will go on, but if a football team builds a new stadium, it might only have capacity for 10K people. Not 80K people. Concerts, amusement parks, and large gatherings is something that will be in the past forever. At some point, Public School will move to all online forever. Joe Biden is going to have to wrestle with all of this, and I hope that he is prepared that his country a year from now will look a lot more like North Korea as far as citizens not moving around / doing stuff, because of fear, etc.. I'm not saying we will be like NK because of communism, just want to make that clear. |
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[quote=SolidSnake84;1259747]i think it's time we accept as a nation that our way of life has permanently changed. Everything we remember from "before", is just that. Before our lives were all changed.
Dr. Fauci has doubled down in recent days, making clear that his opinion is that a vaccine WILL NOT end the pandemic, and even with Americans being vaccinated, we cannot abandon the public health measures and restrictions. He has said numerous times that we cannot, and should not, go back to living like we did before. Couple that with state governors who will lock things down / restrict indefinitely, i think we can all safely say that the life we lived before will now be just a memory. Life will go on as it always has, but it will be different. I read an article about how Americans fought against seat belts for so long, before eventually relenting. Permanent use of masks, home-school, working from home, and avoiding public places i believe will be the life of a USA citizen for the rest of our lives. At some point, people may no longer leave their homes anymore at all, because of fear of the virus. I think the sooner we process that, we can begin healing as a country. Sports will go on, but if a football team builds a new stadium, it might only have capacity for 10K people. Not 80K people. Concerts, amusement parks, and large gatherings is something that will be in the past forever. At some point, Public School will move to all online forever. Joe Biden is going to have to wrestle with all of this, and I hope that he is prepared that his country a year from now will look a lot more like North Korea as far as citizens not moving around / doing stuff, because of fear, etc.. I'm not saying we will be like NK because of communism, just want to make that clear.[/quote] This the type of shit that makes me question my sanity. I need a fucking vacation. |
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Wisconsin is now reporting more daily new infections than Florida, according to the news organization.
All states in the Midwest -- except Ohio -- have reported more cases in the past month when compared to the prior four weeks. An increase in testing could explain why cases are increasing, however, hospitalizations have also surged in the Midwest, which isn't influenced by how many tests are performed. Wyoming and North Dakota had record numbers of COVID-19 patients in their hospitals within the past week, while hospitalizations in Wisconsin set records twice last week. According to Reuters, the U.S. is now reporting 46,000 new infections on average each day, compared to 35,000 daily infections two weeks ago. [url]https://www.foxnews.com/us/some-midwestern-states-25-positive-test-rates-report[/url] This thing will not die. Thank god it is not deadlier. I do think in our lifetime we will see a very contagious virus like Covid but deadlier. Scary to think about. What we are going through now should be a good preparation for future pandemics. |
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One day it will just disappear
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[URL="https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-he-and-first-lady-have-tested-positive-for-coronavirus/ar-BB19CG4u?li=BBnb7Kz"]Trump has the 'rona.[/URL]
The timing couldn't be more convenient. Shouldn't be too long before we hear about how he's kicking the 'rona ass and it isn't any worse than the flu. |
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[quote=mooby;1260973][URL="https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-he-and-first-lady-have-tested-positive-for-coronavirus/ar-BB19CG4u?li=BBnb7Kz"]Trump has the 'rona.[/URL]
The timing couldn't be more convenient. Shouldn't be too long before we hear about how he's kicking the 'rona ass and it isn't any worse than the flu.[/quote] I was thinking the same thing. All the shit he is getting about how bad he was with Biden he is now going to tuck away till the next debate. Remember when he jump in Hillary's shit for having pneumonia ? [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT-LfVlTE94[/url] |
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Praying for the president and First Lady
Also, I heard Hope Hicks has it. She is so fine |
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Zara Rahim, a former Obama administration official who also worked on Clinton’s presidential campaign, appeared to reference the president’s diagnosis on Twitter, writing: “It’s been against my moral identity to tweet this for the past four years, but, I hope he ✨ dies ✨”
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Not saying it wasn't deleted or not there Chico. I didn't see it. If so not cool at all but I did see her tweet calling out the left on conspiracy theories over this and another referencing how when the PM of Britain got it it increased patriotism in the country. Again not saying she didn't say it but looks like she is singing a different tune.
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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1260986]Not saying it wasn't deleted or not there Chico. I didn't see it. If so not cool at all but I did see her tweet calling out the left on conspiracy theories over this and another referencing how when the PM of Britain got it it increased patriotism in the country. Again not saying she didn't say it but looks like she is singing a different tune.[/quote]
[url]https://www.dailywire.com/news/ex-staffers-for-obama-hillary-warren-appear-to-attack-trump-over-covid-19-i-hope-he-dies[/url] She def said and here is more for you. Daily wire doesn’t do the fake news |
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[quote=mooby;1260973][URL="https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-he-and-first-lady-have-tested-positive-for-coronavirus/ar-BB19CG4u?li=BBnb7Kz"]Trump has the 'rona.[/URL]
The timing couldn't be more convenient. Shouldn't be too long before we hear about how he's kicking the 'rona ass and it isn't any worse than the flu.[/quote] Old, fat and bloated, fast food diet, can barely walk down a ramp, he should have nothing to worry about. Just break out the Clorox and he's good to go. |
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[quote=MTK;1260988]Old, fat and bloated, fast food diet, can barely walk down a ramp, he should have nothing to worry about. Just break out the Clorox and he's good to go.[/quote]
What are you talking about? He's in the best shape of his life. Remember? His physician said he was the healthiest president ever. Looking forward to him announcing he's already beat the 'rona on Monday so he can get back to work. |
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[quote=Chico23231;1260987][url]https://www.dailywire.com/news/ex-staffers-for-obama-hillary-warren-appear-to-attack-trump-over-covid-19-i-hope-he-dies[/url]
She def said and here is more for you. Daily wire doesn’t do the fake news[/quote] I don't know what you're trying to convince us of. Terrible people exist? And they've worked in powerful positions? Nahhh, couldn't be. I choose to live my life believing that every person that worked under Obama is a saint. Please stop trying to pull my head out of the sand. |
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[quote=mooby;1260989]What are you talking about? He's in the best shape of his life. Remember? His physician said he was the healthiest president ever.
Looking forward to him announcing he's already beat the 'rona on Monday so he can get back to work.[/quote] Seriously though, someone like him should be shitting his pants right about now. He's right in that Rona sweet spot, old and obese. So many ways this could go, how long until he blames the Democrats? Or will he try to delay the election? |
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[quote=mooby;1260991]I don't know what you're trying to convince us of. Terrible people exist? And they've worked in powerful positions?
Nahhh, couldn't be. I choose to live my life believing that every person that worked under Obama is a saint. Please stop trying to pull my head out of the sand.[/quote] You would also believe the Obama administration made efforts to disrupt the incoming trump administration, was aware of illegal surveillance of the trump campaign, and was complicit in a effort to construct a Russian collusion hoax to delegitimized the Trump presidency? In regards to the Russian hoax, Some are even stupid enough to buy into it, that even after multiple investigations including the Muller comprehensive one, They actually still believe trump was NOT completely exonerated. Lol... |
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Jill and I send our thoughts to President Trump and First Lady Melania Trump for a swift recovery. We will continue to pray for the health and safety of the president and his family.
— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) October 2, 2020 |
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[quote=SunnySide;1261014]Jill and I send our thoughts to President Trump and First Lady Melania Trump for a swift recovery. We will continue to pray for the health and safety of the president and his family.
— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) October 2, 2020[/quote] Exactly what to say...also Rachel Madow statement was great. Nice to see humans acting like humans |
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I just hate when bad things happen to people..........who don’t deserve it. Asshole was well aware of the potential exposure and still got on a flight to NJ. As if he hasnt done enough to help this virus along. Fuck him. I coupd give two flying fucks that he has it or what happens to him. Add that to your get well card Chico.
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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1261016]Exactly what to say...also Rachel Madow statement was great.
Nice to see humans acting like humans[/QUOTE] How ironic. Because we are talking about a guy without a shred of human decency in his body. You do see the irony there right? I fuckin detest assholes. They get not one iota of my sympathy. Spare me the post that is coming where u tell me that im the guy with no heart. I got a huge heart for good people and utter disdain for jerkoffs. That’s all. You wanna play down the virus, and not practice masks and social distancing and be responsible for millions of your sheep to do the same while putting decent and responsible humans at risk all for re election purposes? You fuckin deserve everything you get. |
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Im thinking back to when he mocked that handicapped journalist. Would have been nice for him to wind up like that. But ill settle for this.
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