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[quote=MTK;1285316]Ryp won 1[/quote]

No, he was a member of the 1987 team. Look at the guy in the Redskins sweater next to Gibbs signaling in the plays. He was on IR.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1285318]No, he was a member of the 1987 team. Look at the guy in the Redskins sweater next to Gibbs signaling in the plays. He was on IR.[/quote]

I meant he won 1 SB MVP

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[quote=MTK;1285319]I meant he won 1 SB MVP[/quote]

Sorry my bad.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1285311]So when you say career numbers are you talking about regular season only? Because the postseason counts too when talking about a career resume. And fair or not it's going to be weighed more heavily especially when you win 2. Everyone knows Marino was a brilliant QB who was stuck on mostly mediocre teams. And everyone knows Dilfer was a terrible QB who played with one of the best all time defenses. There's context to everything.[/QUOTE]


Absolutely post season numbers need to be and should be considered. You cant take away those games, but playing postseason games normally means you have a good coach, gm, owner, defense, weapons, etc. So guys like Marino, Stafford, etc are just unfortunate they were drafted by who they were drafted by.

What Im saying is you cannot simply say “eli won two super bowl mvp’s he is definitely in”. That is nonsense. Yes absolutely context to everything.
At the end of the day I think HOF careers rise to the surface regardless of championships or situations. My comments were really focused on Elis situation. There is no way he is even in the conversation if he played on a team like Marino.

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[quote=MTK;1285308]lol can't compare Namath to QBs of today, he played when the passing game was in the dinosaur age.[/quote]

Exactly. Throwing for 4,000 + yards in the 60's was a serious accomplishment.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1285312]And everyone knows that the Giants defense was the reason those Super Bowls were won so that context matters too.[/quote]

Part of the reason yes ,so was Eli.

Player GWD Years
Eli Manning 37 2004-2019
Warren Moon+ 35 1984-2000
Carson Palmer 35 2004-2017
Philip Rivers 35 2004-2020

How many comeback wins
Leaders
Player 4QC Years
Eli Manning 27 2004-2019
Joe Montana+ 26 1979-1994
Warren Moon+ 25 1984-2000
Drew Bledsoe 24 1993-2006

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[quote=Giantone;1285340]Part of the reason yes ,so was Eli.[/quote]

Sorry, they scored 17 and 21 points in those games. They were won by the defense.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1285341]Sorry, they scored 17 and 21 points in those games. They were won by the defense.[/quote]

Did they score more than the other team ,yes, Eli did that.

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[url]https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2021/06/13/new-york-giants-eli-manning-4-war-season-2011/[/url]


PFF data: Giants QB Eli Manning had a '4 WAR' season in 2011

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Yeah as really a great season for young Eli there!

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Eli will make it ... and he probably should.

But Joe Jacoby definitely should. That dude is getting screwed, royally.


Switching gears ... we need a countdown clock somewhere on here. Til when we play our first pre-season game, or something. I've watched more soccer than I care to admit this off season. And while it is somewhat engaging, it further solidifies my love of american football.

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If guys like Warren Moon can make the HOF, Eli Manning will too. Give him his due, he won 2 rings against the mighty Pats plus he owns the Giants Passing records.

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1285359]Eli will make it ... and he probably should.

But Joe Jacoby definitely should. That dude is getting screwed, royally.


Switching gears ... we need a countdown clock somewhere on here. Til when we play our first pre-season game, or something. I've watched more soccer than I care to admit this off season. And while it is somewhat engaging, it further solidifies my love of american football.[/quote]

I agree, Watching JJ and LT was a game in itself. It wasn't just LT , he went all the great defenders in the NFL back then . Bruce Smith Reggie White ,I agree he should be in.


P. S

He made some pretty funny commercials.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1285314]So did Mark Rypien.[/quote]

????? Two????

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[quote=nonniey;1285364]????? Two????[/quote]

I misunderstood the OP. I thought he said Eli won 2 Super Bowls, which he did, but he said Eli won two Super Bowl MVP…which Mark did not. Mark was on IR during the 87 season so technically he did win 2 Super Bowls, but not 2 Super Bowl MVPs.

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@AdamSchefter

Saints' OT Ryan Ramczyk is signing a five-year, $90 million extension that includes $60 million guaranteed and makes him the new highest-paid right tackle in football, source tells ESPN.

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[quote=Giantone;1285340]Part of the reason yes ,so was Eli.

Player GWD Years
Eli Manning 37 2004-2019
Warren Moon+ 35 1984-2000
Carson Palmer 35 2004-2017
Philip Rivers 35 2004-2020

How many comeback wins
Leaders
Player 4QC Years
Eli Manning 27 2004-2019
Joe Montana+ 26 1979-1994
Warren Moon+ 25 1984-2000
Drew Bledsoe 24 1993-2006[/quote]

G1 irl:

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[quote=MTK;1285465]@AdamSchefter

Saints' OT Ryan Ramczyk is signing a five-year, $90 million extension that includes $60 million guaranteed and makes him the new highest-paid right tackle in football, source tells ESPN.[/quote]

RT being paid like LT. Wow

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[quote=Chico23231;1285469]G1 irl:

[IMG]https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQHs1_NSjeQPsETEL34r9-U_SLGBHX3NlifRA&usqp=CAU[/IMG][/quote]

HAHAHA

I hope the Gnats have the chance to meet Hand Bannana, as well.

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[quote=Chico23231;1285470]RT being paid like LT. Wow[/quote]

Here's a though ,maybe he plays both. I know chico how would you know after all you just post stupid shit .

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[quote=Chico23231;1285469]G1 irl:

[/quote]

chico the drunk uncle making an ass out of himself ...............again.


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Ramczyk is their right tackle he doesn't play left that would be Armstead.

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[quote=Meks;1285475]HAHAHA

I hope the Gnats have the chance to meet Hand Bannana, as well.[/quote]

:laughing2

Carl one of the best characters of all time. How I picture G1 irl always…especially when he is talking up “da G-Men”

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[quote=Chico23231;1285483]:laughing2

Carl one of the best characters of all time. How I picture G1 irl always…especially when he is talking up “da G-Men”[/quote]



chico ,drunk uncle kit...............

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The Dallas Cowboys are expected to be selected to appear on this season’s five-episode series of HBO’s “Hard Knocks”, per a source. An official announcement is likely to come as early as today.

Shocker

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1285555]The Dallas Cowboys are expected to be selected to appear on this season’s five-episode series of HBO’s “Hard Knocks”, per a source. An official announcement is likely to come as early as today.

Shocker[/quote]

Of course, These fuckin clowns.

I’m fuckin ready for this football season. Im ready to roll…let’s go

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1285555]The Dallas Cowboys are expected to be selected to appear on this season’s five-episode series of HBO’s “Hard Knocks”, per a source. An official announcement is likely to come as early as today.

Shocker[/quote]

Who cares? Let someone else do it. It’s stupid anyway. All fake drama.

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[quote=Chico23231;1285558]Of course, These fuckin clowns.

I’m fuckin ready for this football season. Im ready to roll…let’s go[/quote]Yes agreed! So pumped even for camp. Lots of competition at a lot of positions. Cannot wait for the opener v. the Chargers.

Hail WFT!

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1285555]The Dallas Cowboys are expected to be selected to appear on this season’s five-episode series of HBO’s “Hard Knocks”, per a source. An official announcement is likely to come as early as today.

Shocker[/quote]

Good! Speaking for myself that's nothing but a distraction and teams can do with out it !F the cowboys.

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[quote=The Skinsinator;1285573]Yes agreed! So pumped even for camp. Lots of competition at a lot of positions. Cannot wait for the opener v. the Chargers.

Hail WFT![/quote]

[url]https://youtu.be/xvNzhKTXweQ[/url]

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[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5kjTEaVEAAzXuV?format=jpg&name=large[/IMG]

lol

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1285608]

lol[/quote]

I am quite happy to be disregarded as a threat in the NFC.

Historically I feel teams tend to do better when people lower their expectations for success for the year. I will use the 2018 Caps and the 2019 Nats as my examples.

When everybody expects you to compete for a title in a given year, only disappointment remains when you don't.

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[quote=mooby;1285622]I am quite happy to be disregarded as a threat in the NFC.

Historically I feel teams tend to do better when people lower their expectations for success for the year. I will use the 2018 Caps and the 2019 Nats as my examples.

When everybody expects you to compete for a title in a given year, only disappointment remains when you don't.[/quote]

I understand the line of thinking - but this is not the case where it counts ie: other teams and coaching staffs. The arrogant ones may overlook but the NFL is on notice of this defense and will be very quickly aware of how well this offense can run. The talking heads and public opinion mean jack shit unless it's creeping in subliminally to coaching staffs around the league but i doubt it.

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I just see it as an opportunity for a few well placed bets :)

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NFL top 100 teaser video is all about Chase: [url]https://mobile.twitter.com/nflfilms/status/1414962825567432704[/url]
Definitely gets you excited for this year

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1285846]NFL top 100 teaser video is all about Chase: [url]https://mobile.twitter.com/nflfilms/status/1414962825567432704[/url]
Definitely gets you excited for this year[/quote]

Well that was pleasant.

For me it's all about the respect from guys that aren't your teammates. If you have the attention of other All-Pro type players that speaks volumes. Great video.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1285846]NFL top 100 teaser video is all about Chase: [url]https://mobile.twitter.com/nflfilms/status/1414962825567432704[/url]
Definitely gets you excited for this year[/quote]Everyone knew how talented he is. Now, everyone knows about his incredible drive and leadership. He is truly the complete package.

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[QUOTE=The Skinsinator;1285858]Everyone knew how talented he is. Now, everyone knows about his incredible drive and leadership. He is truly the complete package.[/QUOTE]


I think McLaurin is the equivalent on offense. He’s a worker and really wants to be great. They’re two of my favorite players in a long time.


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[quote=calia;1285859]I think McLaurin is the equivalent on offense. He’s a worker and really wants to be great. They’re two of my favorite players in a long time.


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Throw in AG24 and yeah we have 3 young stars , Sweat too

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This is neat, PFR did the research and compiled an unofficial list of sack leaders going back to 1960. In [URL="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/sacks_career.htm?sr&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool#sacks_all_leaders"]the new unofficial rankings[/URL], Deacon Jones ranks 3rd in NFL history with 173.5 sacks. And Al Baker would be your [URL="https://www.sports-reference.com/blog/2021/07/pre-1982-sacks-added-to-pro-football-reference/"]single season record holder[/URL] with 23 sacks in 1978 (scroll down the page in the link for the listing).

Also officially, no player has ever led the league in sacks more than twice. Unofficially Deacon Jones holds that record with 5 though.

And finally, Dexter Manley's totals would go up 103.5 when you add the 6 sacks from his rookie season (when sacks weren't an official stat).