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[quote=Chico23231;1287104][url]https://nypost.com/2021/08/10/rashida-tlaib-seen-dancing-at-wedding-without-mask-in-michigan/[/url]

Rashida Tlaib seen dancing at wedding without mask after slamming Rand Paul

[url]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-coronavirus-mask-capitol[/url]

AOC puts on mask for picture, removes it afterward, video shows
Ocasio-Cortez removed her mask shortly after the photo was taken

[url]https://www.newsweek.com/chicago-mayor-dismisses-spreader-concerns-lollapalooza-amid-cdc-guidance-delta-rise-1613988[/url]

Chicago Mayor Dismisses 'Spreader' Concerns on Lollapalooza Amid CDC Guidance, Delta Rise

You got Obama maskless in a tent dancing in an identified high transmission area

You agree these aren’t serious people and the mask talk is largely performative theatre?[/quote]

It does seem to be performative theater.

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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1287106]I hear ya Cred, I know nothing about energy -- clean energy, fossil energy -- but as a dummy looking from the outside in, I hope 50 years from now we still arent using coal and oil. Everything you said makes sense perfect and common sense.



But its not really us .. its fucking China and India etc needing to use clean renewable energy.



Whether or not I recycle this milk carton doesnt do anything when [B]China emits more emissions than all the developed countries combined. [/B]



[url]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-57018837[/url][/QUOTE]You and I share a mind on China and India. You can add in non-commercial private jets in my mind. People do have to fly from A to B but there should be minimum passenger requirements on every single airplane flight over 100 miles. Those engines consume more fossil fuels than I will in a year.

If we want to innovate that is one area where a breakthrough could have massive effect.

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[quote=Chico23231;1287104][url]https://nypost.com/2021/08/10/rashida-tlaib-seen-dancing-at-wedding-without-mask-in-michigan/[/url]

Rashida Tlaib seen dancing at wedding without mask after slamming Rand Paul
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This is just personal opinion here, ...................fuck Rand Paul!

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Cred I agree in regards to petroleum as of now we use it in so many products and it is essential for travel. Electric cars are making great headways but for people to take them seriously you need to be able to pull of the highway and get a full charge in 3 minutes, the average time it takes to fill a sedan in the United States until then you won't get serious buy in.

Coal I have to disagree. While yes it is the most energy dense it is just awful from a human health, environment and economic stand point. Coal has been phasing itself out but far to slowly. At the turn of the century it was 60% of our electrical generation portfolio. Flashforward 20 years later and it is less than 20%. We generate more from nuclear now (even though the amount from nuclear has stayed the same). The reason is because of natural gas far cleaner, less air and aquatic pollutants, less climate change impact, easier to transport the list goes on.

I also tend to disagree with you on renewables. The last twenty years we have been so far behind subsidizing it. The amount we subsidize coal, oil and natural gas is insane. You can always argue they are bigger shares of the profile therefore deserve higher subsidies. We could all chip in by a lease on federal land for $2 and acre and probably pull in 1 million a year in profits. None of the presidents we have had this century have invested seriously in renewables. Right now we have the ability to provide all our electrical needs from photovoltaic and wind during daytime and use nuclear and natural gas at night regardless of battery storage. We just lack effective national leadership to work it out.

SD I imagine we could get that 0% up to at least 2%.

Chico you mentioned the Green New Deal the problem with it IMO is we should have been working on energy conservation strategies 45 years ago. It is kind of like the shit show SD's state is in with fires. Most fire prone areas of the world began moving power underground. California instead of investing bit by bit just ignored it and now spend billions of dollars on fire issues a year (awesome job Newsome) or the school district that doesn't put money towards maintaining infrastructure and then we are stuck with collapsing school buildings and they say it is too expensive to fix we yeah you have ignored it for a half a century of course it is.

If I had my way the two biggest things I would focus on are conservation of energy and energy efficiency for some reason we have really struggled there but it makes the most direct and immediate impact.

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I also cringe at using nonrenewable resources for single use purposes it just seems so illogical to me.

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Can you show links on this part of your post [quote]Right now we have the ability to provide all our electrical needs from photovoltaic and wind during daytime and use nuclear and natural gas at night regardless of battery storage.[/quote] I highly doubt that is true. The amount of energy lost in transmitting generated electricity a huge issue that is being worked on by scientists across the globe.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1287118]I also cringe at using nonrenewable resources for single use purposes it just seems so illogical to me.[/quote]

Not to sound like a pruis driving portland librarian ... but single use plastic kills me. Think of all the single use plastic just within 5 feet of you right now.

Biodegradable should be the goal asap imo.

[IMG]https://sensiseeds.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Biodegradable-hemp-plastics-1024x369.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]https://www.wwf.org.au/Images/UserUploadedImages/408/img-lifecycle-of-plastics-infographic-1000px.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=SunnySide;1287099]When did this Country stop being innovative and groundbreaking?

We gave the world the lightbulb, the internet, plastic, dental floss, landed on the moon.

But when it comes to energy its "naw were good with circa 1800 energy sources like fucking coal. Lets not try and come up with better cleaner energy sources."

I feel like this is part of Idiocracy where all the top scientist minds are busy increasing penis sizes and not solving the worlds real problems.

God forbid the US society tries to move on from the 1950s.[/quote]

Look on the bright side. There is more alternative fuel use than ever. Solar, wind, battery operated vehicles, etc. It was not too long ago that it was the stuff of science fiction and wishful thinking. Now it has debuted and is being used.

Sure, it is all still in the embryonic stage, but it is moving forward. As innovation- yes it is present- increases, so will the bang for the buck.

The analogy I like to use is the CD Player. When it first rolled into stores, it was a high end luxury item. Soon enough, it became affordable and the medium of choice. Now it has been surpassed and survives largely as a niche product, available anywhere including thrift stores.

So it will be with alternative fuels. But it does take time. :cool:

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[quote=JackLord;1287122]Look on the bright side. There is more alternative fuel use than ever. Solar, wind, battery operated vehicles, etc. It was not too long ago that it was the stuff of science fiction and wishful thinking. Now it has debuted and is being used.

Sure, it is all still in the embryonic stage, but it is moving forward. As innovation- yes it is present- increases, so will the bang for the buck.

The analogy I like to use is the CD Player. When it first rolled into stores, it was a high end luxury item. Soon enough, it became affordable and the medium of choice. Now it has been surpassed and survives largely as a niche product, available anywhere including thrift stores.

So it will be with alternative fuels. But it does take time. :cool:[/quote]

I think youre right, thanks for the positive affirmation .. the train is moving down the tracks, gaining momentum.

im not a big environmental guy, dont drive an electric car etc. I like nature, loved fishing as a kid, grew up on the potomac river, follow the no trail no trace motto ... but this world is getting bad quick.

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Cred here you go:
[url]https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2018/ee/c7ee03029k#!divAbstract[/url]


It is not just we can start putting up photovoltaics and boom we would need to bring our electrical grid into the 21st century something we don't have the political will power to do.

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[quote=SunnySide;1287124]I think youre right, thanks for the positive affirmation .. the train is moving down the tracks, gaining momentum.

im not a big environmental guy, dont drive an electric car etc. I like nature, loved fishing as a kid, grew up on the potomac river, follow the no trail no trace motto ... but this world is getting bad quick.[/quote]

In some ways. In other ways it is much improved.

Our beloved Potomac(I fish too), for example, is much cleaner than it was when I was a kid.

And how much has population been a variable? Here in MoCO, they freak out every time there is a flood. Somehow they seem to forget that the county has had double digit population growth nearly every decade. More people mean more houses, more roads, more concrete. The water has nowhere to go.

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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1287125]Cred here you go:

[url]https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2018/ee/c7ee03029k#!divAbstract[/url]





It is not just we can start putting up photovoltaics and boom we would need to bring our electrical grid into the 21st century something we don't have the political will power to do.[/QUOTE]From the abstract [quote]However, to reliably meet 100% of total annual electricity demand, seasonal cycles and unpredictable weather events require several weeks’ worth of energy storage and/or the installation of much more capacity of solar and wind power than is routinely necessary to meet peak demand[/quote]

It goes on to talk about meeting 80%demand and also the issues around transmission.

The bottomline is that it is unrealistic to think solar/wind can consistently and reliably provide the energy needs of this country. There isn't even a path to that point, and there definitely isn't the political will or financial means to make it happen. Nor is it a responsible thing to do when there are better, more effective and far cheaper ways to meet the demand.

There are motives behind the scare tactics of eco-green proponents that have little to nothing to do with the global climate and everything to do with intruding government into the daily person's life.

As I said, take away the private jets and make people conserve in flights would do more for the climate than all the wind towers in Kansas (and there are a lot of them)

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Let's not forget the fossil fuels lobby has tremendous influence around the world and they spend a ton of $$ to make sure we stay hooked on them.

Might as well burn them while we got them

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[quote=MTK;1287143]Let's not forget the fossil fuels lobby has tremendous influence around the world and they spend a ton of $$ to make sure we stay hooked on them.

Might as well burn them while we got them[/quote]

More likely it is that fossil fuels still give us the best bang for the buck. When alternatives become more economically viable (see my CD Player example above) then the consumer (that's you and me) will not only embrace alternatives, but also demand them. And that demand will be met.

In the long run, you cannot stop the Market.

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[quote=MTK;1287143]Let's not forget the fossil fuels lobby has tremendous influence around the world and they spend a ton of $$ to make sure we stay hooked on them.

Might as well burn them while we got them[/quote]

Very worthy:

Exxon's senior director for federal relations was caught on tape talking about Exxon's private strategy for dealing with climate change.

And yet I suspect nothing will happen.

[yt]Evy2EgoveuE[/yt]

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[quote=mooby;1287151]Very worthy:

Exxon's senior director for federal relations was caught on tape talking about Exxon's private strategy for dealing with climate change.

And yet I suspect nothing will happen.

[yt]Evy2EgoveuE[/yt][/quote]

If history has shown us anything, the tide of technological change cannot be stopped.

When Solar Power, for example, becomes economically viable, nothing will stop it from becoming widespread. Exxon can either jump on the bandwagon or get out of the way.

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Cred it would have been realistic if we would have county to develop and invest in infrastructure. I also don’t see how improving building codes using federal funds to develop city and state owned systems is any more infringing than what the government has done to push coal. How much more tax dollars are you willing to spend to keep that industry a float?

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1287153]Cred it would have been realistic if we would have county to develop and invest in infrastructure. I also don’t see how improving building codes using federal funds to develop city and state owned systems is any more infringing than what the government has done to push coal. How much more tax dollars are you willing to spend to keep that industry a float?[/quote]

Considering a good many of those miners vote and their Senator is the de facto swing vote, I reckon a lot.

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Former President Donald Trump may still wield the most political power over the Republican Party, but Mitch McConnell remains master of the Senate GOP.

Despite repeated calls by Trump to oppose the bipartisan infrastructure package, McConnell largely ignored -- and ultimately defied -- the former president by voting for final passage on Tuesday and delivering 18 other Republicans with him.

The final vote for $550 billion in new spending for roads, bridges, waterways, airports and broadband internet was 69-30. It is a rarity in Washington -- a genuinely significant bipartisan achievement for both parties and President Joe Biden, who anchored his run for the White House on his ability to bring people together.

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/aye-vote-infrastructure-mcconnell-stares-180202820.html[/url]

A bi-partisan bill being passed?

When was the last time this happened?

Mark Levin wants the 18 republicans tried for treason ... I used to halfway like that guy.

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[quote=SunnySide;1287204]Former President Donald Trump may still wield the most political power over the Republican Party, but Mitch McConnell remains master of the Senate GOP.

Despite repeated calls by Trump to oppose the bipartisan infrastructure package, McConnell largely ignored -- and ultimately defied -- the former president by voting for final passage on Tuesday and delivering 18 other Republicans with him.

The final vote for $550 billion in new spending for roads, bridges, waterways, airports and broadband internet was 69-30. It is a rarity in Washington -- a genuinely significant bipartisan achievement for both parties and President Joe Biden, who anchored his run for the White House on his ability to bring people together.

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/aye-vote-infrastructure-mcconnell-stares-180202820.html[/url]

A bi-partisan bill being passed?

When was the last time this happened?

Mark Levin wants the 18 republicans tried for treason ... I used to halfway like that guy.[/quote]

There were alot of corporate handouts in that bill. That is the only way we will ever get a bipartisan bill. The corporate dems have to keep their overlords happy. Sorry I am a bit jaded because I wanted the 3.9 bill passed first help real Americans and not corps but the infrastructure is good. Yea! Welcome to the the year 2021 USA you're the last developed country here.

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At least [I]something[/I] got through... bigly talked all about infrastructure and got nothing done. Same with his beautiful healthcare plan, same with the wall, etc. All talk.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1287206]There were alot of corporate handouts in that bill. That is the only way we will ever get a bipartisan bill. The corporate dems have to keep their overlords happy. Sorry I am a bit jaded because I wanted the 3.9 bill passed first help real Americans and not corps but the infrastructure is good. Yea! Welcome to the the year 2021 USA you're the last developed country here.[/quote]

About 10 million homes still have lead pipes and this will address that. Finally being able to say there are no lead pipes and all american houses have clean water is a win.

bringing broadband to the rural parts is a win.

fixing some of these roads and bridges will be a win. I did lots of driving from Montgomery County to Annapolis to havre de grace last few days and we need some major bridge/road repair.

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Nearly 67,000 of the nation’s 605,000 bridges are rated “structurally deficient” and are in need of substantial repair or replacement, according to bridge inspections analyzed in The Fix We’re In For: The State of the Nation’s Bridges 2013. Nearly 8,000 are both structurally deficient and “fracture critical”, meaning they are designed with no redundancy in their key structural components, so that if one fails the bridge could collapse. The Federal Highway Administration estimates that the backlog of troubled bridges would cost $76 billion to eliminate.

The report ranks states and the District of Columbia in terms of the overall condition of the their bridges, with one having the largest share of deficient bridges, 51 the lowest. Twenty-one states have a higher percentage of deficient bridges than the national average of 11 percent. The five states with the worst bridge conditions have a share over 20 percent: Pennsylvania has the largest share of deteriorating bridges (24.5%), followed by Oklahoma (22.0%), Iowa (21.7%), Rhode Island (21.6%), and South Dakota (20.3%).

[url]https://t4america.org/2013/06/19/one-in-9-bridges-still-structurally-deficient-as-average-age-nears-50-years/[/url]

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The need is growing rapidly, the report notes: While most bridges are designed to last 50 years before major overhaul or replacement, American bridges average 43 years old. Age is a major factor in bridge conditions. Roughly half of the structurally deficient bridges are 65 or older.Jun 19, 2013

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Does congress work better when there is a 50-50 split?

Seems like Manchin (a moderate D) is able to reign in the most ambitious Dems much like Romney/McCain did 4 years ago.

As long as each side has a few moderates that wont bend thy knee and can take hate from their own party, it seems like this is working.

Manchin. McCain, Romney, Kasich .. these are guys I wish were presidents. Although they may have been more impactful right where they are.

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No you are right SS there are good things in there. I am not a fan of privatizing public infrastructure. Hush yo mouth about Manchin and wishing he was a President.

Any hoo switching gears. Roberta Kaplan the chairwoman for Time's Up an advocacy group that claims to support women victims of sexual harassment, but actually did a good job of defending Gov. Cuomo, resigned. She was pretty integral in attacking some of his accusers. Here is her resignation letter: [url]https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/roberta-kaplan-times-up-resignation-letter/68528f359a886f99/full.pdf[/url]

The first sentence of the second paragraph is ironic she is talking about Cuomo but it should be about her.

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[quote=SunnySide;1287217]Does congress work better when there is a 50-50 split?

Seems like Manchin (a moderate D) is able to reign in the most ambitious Dems much like Romney/McCain did 4 years ago.

As long as each side has a few moderates that wont bend thy knee and can take hate from their own party, it seems like this is working.

Manchin. McCain, Romney, Kasich .. these are guys I wish were presidents. Although they may have been more impactful right where they are.[/quote]

Not much of a Manchin fan but your the other three I agree with. Voted for 2 of them and would have voted for the 3rd.

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[quote=SunnySide;1287217]Does congress work better when there is a 50-50 split?

Seems like Manchin (a moderate D) is able to reign in the most ambitious Dems much like Romney/McCain did 4 years ago.

As long as each side has a few moderates that wont bend thy knee and can take hate from their own party, it seems like this is working.

Manchin. McCain, Romney, Kasich .. these are guys I wish were presidents. Although they may have been more impactful right where they are.[/quote]

McCain and Kasich yes no doubt, Manchin seems slimy to me ,Romney if he campaigned the same way he has in the past no but he has stood up to the trumpettes.

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[url]https://nypost.com/2021/08/11/mom-says-atlanta-school-racially-segregated-daughter-lawsuit/amp/?__twitter_impression=true[/url]

Atlanta mom says school ‘segregated’ daughter into black-only classes: lawsuit

Segregation is now acceptable to retards. So everyone in the school was ok with this…no one spoke up?

Who thinks this is acceptable?

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So far under Biden,

Putin gets a strategic/economic win pipeline, Mexico gets an open border, and the Taliban gets Afghanistan

Meanwhile, Americans get higher prices on everything, the delta variant, more crime and segregation in our schools

Sad

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[quote=Chico23231;1287277]So far under Biden,

Putin gets a strategic/economic win pipeline, Mexico gets an open border, and the Taliban gets Afghanistan

Meanwhile, Americans get higher prices on everything, the delta variant, more crime and segregation in our schools

Sad[/quote]

Why do you hate America chico?

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We need a Fresh Start Squared thread that we can all ruin immediately, before it gets to page 2.

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“Had our 2020 Presidential election not been rigged and if I were now president, the world would find that our withdrawal from Afghanistan would be a conditions-based withdrawal. I personally had discussions with top Taliban leaders whereby they understood what they are doing now would not have been acceptable. It would have been a much different and much more successful withdrawal, and the Taliban understood that much better than anyone.”


Trumps statement on Bidens move. Laughable. Basically what he wants all his sheep to believe (and they will) Is he told those bad guys what was going on and the very smart taliban would have said yes Donald we promise we will work well with others for peace and prosperity for all after the American troops are gone.
Ok.

Trump wanted the withdrawal so bad. It would have been celebrated in the Rose Garden, and there would have been talk of a nobel peace prize.
The guy who slaughtered the Kurds is just irate about this? There was really never going to be an easy way out of Afghanistan. The majority of their people and government doesn’t give a fuck. It is a terrible situation but please Donald Trump just STFU about how the Taliban would have never moved on these territories because you spoke to them. What a fuckin idiot.

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[quote=punch it in;1287465]“Had our 2020 Presidential election not been rigged and if I were now president, the world would find that our withdrawal from Afghanistan would be a conditions-based withdrawal. I personally had discussions with top Taliban leaders whereby they understood what they are doing now would not have been acceptable. It would have been a much different and much more successful withdrawal, and the Taliban understood that much better than anyone.”


Trumps statement on Bidens move. Laughable. Basically what he wants all his sheep to believe (and they will) Is he told those bad guys what was going on and the very smart taliban would have said yes Donald we promise we will work well with others for peace and prosperity for all after the American troops are gone.
Ok.

Trump wanted the withdrawal so bad. It would have been celebrated in the Rose Garden, and there would have been talk of a nobel peace prize.
The guy who slaughtered the Kurds is just irate about this? There was really never going to be an easy way out of Afghanistan. The majority of their people and government doesn’t give a fuck. It is a terrible situation but please Donald Trump just STFU about how the Taliban would have never moved on these territories because you spoke to them. What a fuckin idiot.[/quote]

Actually Trumps plan would have had this disaster happen about 2 months earlier. Trump's plan was extremely stupid and unwarranted. The Taliban were contained, with our military costs now both low in treasure and lives (about 8-10 a year and declining) and Biden decided to execute it anyway. We should have continued that containment policy, but Biden is no Truman (I imagine if either Trump or Biden had been President in 1945 the Soviet Union would still be around with their empire stretching to the English Channel) .

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Pompeo said that while Trump had planned on pulling out of Afghanistan, he would not have allowed the Taliban to take over. He said that the deal that the Trump administration had reached with the Taliban called for "a conditions-based withdrawal" and allowed the U.S. to take action if necessary.

Jesus Christ doubling down on the fact that the Taliban is operating on the honor code. LOL. You cannot make a deal with the fucking Taliban. The only way out would be if the Afghanistans finally stood up and fought. We trained them for 20 fucking years for this. How is that too soon?!?!?

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[quote=punch it in;1287469]Pompeo said that while Trump had planned on pulling out of Afghanistan, he would not have allowed the Taliban to take over. He said that the deal that the Trump administration had reached with the Taliban called for "a conditions-based withdrawal" and allowed the U.S. to take action if necessary.

Jesus Christ doubling down on the fact that the Taliban is operating on the honor code. LOL. You cannot make a deal with the fucking Taliban. The only way out would be if the Afghanistans finally stood up and fought. We trained them for 20 fucking years for this. How is that too soon?!?!?[/quote]

Well, after this past week events it is pretty damn obvious it was too soon.

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I see now Biden is trying to blame it on Trump's plan. Well he was the fool that decided to follow that plan.


President Joe Biden issued a statement on Sunday regarding the deteriorating situation in Afghanistan, reaffirming his administration’s plans and placing blame on the plan he “inherited from [his] predecessor,”

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[url]https://www.commentary.org/john-podhoretz/all-we-had-to-do-was-nothing/[/url]
".....All Joe Biden had to do was nothing. Had Joe Biden done nothing, Afghanistan would not have fallen to the Taliban today. Had he just let the status quo continue, the status quo would have continued. Afghanistan would have plodded along and we would have kept the Taliban from power with a small force of American military personnel among whose ranks there had not been a single fatality since March 2020—17 months without a death. Keep that in mind as you listen to and watch people try to analyze away the horror that has befallen the Afghan people. The idea being retailed by the increasingly defeatist left and the increasingly isolationist right is that what has happened was inevitable. It was the opposite of inevitable. It wouldn’t have happened if Biden hadn’t acted................ here we have an American president announcing in April that we were pulling out of a country to end a war in which we haven’t been engaging in conventional old-time combat for years because, apparently, we just had to. Biden wanted to be the one to end the war, and he did so with tough love: The Afghan army was going to have to stand on its own. The time had come for the teenager to leave home, get his own apartment, get a job, and start paying rent.

Smart talk. But Biden also assured Americans in July that they would not see a second Saigon 1975. Asked on July 7 about a possible parallel to the moment when U.S. helicopters evacuated embassy personnel on April 30, 1975, the president said, “None whatsoever. Zero….The Taliban is not the South, the North Vietnamese army. They’re not—they’re not remotely comparable in terms of capability. There’s going to be no circumstance where you’re going to see people being lifted off the roof of our embassy.”

Thirty-six days after he said it, we saw it. And the really awful part is, this was entirely predictable—because everybody I know predicted it........."

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This silly artificial deadline of being out by the twentieth anniversary was dumb. I do think we should remove troops but got to do it responsibly. Definitely were not and now we are being reckless with other people’s lives and discounting the sacrifice made by American military members. Really is bad

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[quote=nonniey;1287473]I see now Biden is trying to blame it on Trump's plan. Well he was the fool that decided to follow that plan.


President Joe Biden issued a statement on Sunday regarding the deteriorating situation in Afghanistan, reaffirming his administration’s plans and placing blame on the plan he “inherited from [his] predecessor,”[/quote]

Who do you think trump would blame after the Rose garden calibration?

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For 20 plus no one has given two shits as long as we kept sending the American Solders over there to die ,now we stop and leave and everyone is worried about the poor Afghanistan people who won't fight to defend themselves .This is crazy.