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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1356741]For me, I'm at the point where I don't really care who they draft. I just want the new regime to come in with a plan and execute it to a T. If that means starting over at QB, because they really like one of these prospects coming out - so be it. If that means building around Sam, because they think the QB of the future is already in the building - super.

I'm just grateful that we will almost certainly have competent folks running the operation from top to bottom soon. Something we haven't seen in a very long time.[/quote]

Agree

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F all these rookie QB's. Bring back Kirk, draft Harrison, draft a couple o-linemen, get a better coach, bring in some free agents and we're on our way.. :-)

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[quote=skinsfan69;1356812]F all these rookie QB's. Bring back Kirk, draft Harrison, draft a couple o-linemen, get a better coach, bring in some free agents and we're on our way.. :-)[/quote]

Bring back Cousins…I could get on that bandwagon

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[quote=skinsfan69;1356735]Can someone tell me what Maye has done to get all this draft praise? I watched a bit of the Clemson game and he didn't even look like a first rounder at all. He didn't look as good as the other guys. He struggled the entire game. Looked lost. Looked like Tribusky.[/quote]

So I am a UNC fan, watched all his games and Howell's. I thought there was an outside chance that Howell "could" become a really good NFL QB, but I wouldn't have bet on it. With Maye, I would bet on it. From his first start, you could just tell he had that "it" factor. So he started 2 years, and had 2 completely different OC's and offenses. Last year he had Josh Downs too(starting for the Colts this season) and would he break away, Maye would hit him...pretty much every time. They had a much better run game last season as well...but a bad Oline both years, and the main reason he looked rough against Clemson in my opinion. My comp for him is Justin Herbert. He's got the size, the arm, the brain, and he does not get rattled...and he will take off and run too. Also been very durable...did not miss a game.

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That durable part is the key !! Thank you for the insight !

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Traded down to 8th, and picked up 43rd pick, was still able to get Daniels. That would be awesome.

8. Jayden Daniels - QB - LSU
36. Troy Fautanu - OG - Washington
40. J.T. Tuimoloau - EDGE - Ohio State
43. Jordan Morgan - OT - Arizona
67. Jaylan Ford - LB - Texas
96. Michael Pratt - QB - Tulane
98. Brandon Coleman - OG - TCU
132. Drake Nugent - OC - Michigan
163. Dallin Holker - TE - Colorado State
194. Tatum Bethune - LB - Florida State

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1356720]I just want to end up with Maye or Daniels. Whatever processes that go down to make that happen, is good by me.[/quote]

IMO Maye is a three inches taller version of Sam Howell, if that's what you want.

Caleb Williams is a stunning playmaker. He is easily the best QB in this draft IMO. I would trade up to the #1 pick to get him. Put lifts in his cleats and tailor the offense to his strengths.

Commanders get: 2023 overall #1 pick.

Bears get: 2023 overall #2 pick, a 2023 second round pick, DT Jonathan Allen, and a 2024 second round pick or even a 2024 first round pick, if necessary.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1356881]IMO Maye is a three inches taller version of Sam Howell, if that's what you want.

Caleb Williams is a stunning playmaker. He is easily the best QB in this draft IMO. I would trade up to the #1 pick to get him. Put lifts in his cleats and tailor the offense to his strengths.

Commanders get: 2023 overall #1 pick.

Bears get: 2023 overall #2 pick, a 2023 second round pick, DT Jonathan Allen, and a 2024 second round pick or even a 2024 first round pick, if necessary.[/quote]

It will be an interesting conversation for the next 105 days. I'm either going to be very right or very wrong about Williams.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1356881]IMO Maye is a three inches taller version of Sam Howell, if that's what you want.

Caleb Williams is a stunning playmaker. He is easily the best QB in this draft IMO. I would trade up to the #1 pick to get him. Put lifts in his cleats and tailor the offense to his strengths.

Commanders get: 2023 overall #1 pick.

Bears get: 2023 overall #2 pick, a 2023 second round pick, DT Jonathan Allen, and a 2024 second round pick or even a 2024 first round pick, if necessary.[/quote]

That's too much to move to #1 from #2. They'll get better offers I know, but I'm not doing that.

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Did we not learn anything about Head cases from Haskins .. Williams is a HUGE Risk from a maturity aspect.. I don't know Jack about him but if you start reading from those who make a living at these sort of things there are indeed "Red Flags" concerning these issues . Can we afford to take that chance ? I'm not sure we can .. I've gotta trust that whoever makes this pick has done the homework and won't botch this .. we got ONE shot at this ! These concerns are no more or less convincing than to say Maye is a taller version of Howell .That is not at all accurate..

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What I wonder, is how the new FO will handle college scouting. Did our current scouts do enough or were they part of the issue with our poor drafting? Will the new FO bring in their own people ASAP, or will they have to rely on whatever quality the previous regime used? It is a lot to get right, and solid organizations have a functional and efficient scouting corps. My guess is that we did not.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1356920]What I wonder, is how the new FO will handle college scouting. Did our current scouts do enough or were they part of the issue with our poor drafting? Will the new FO bring in their own people ASAP, or will they have to rely on whatever quality the previous regime used? It is a lot to get right, and solid organizations have a functional and efficient scouting corps. My guess is that we did not.[/quote]

I am not going to be surprised if we bring in some 3rd party analytics or if the new GM brings some pieces with them.

I can’t imagine we roll with Ron’s scouting department

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1356921]I am not going to be surprised if we bring in some 3rd party analytics or if the new GM brings some pieces with them.

I can’t imagine we roll with Ron’s scouting department[/quote]

I'd throw all the old notes away. The new staff will have approximately 100 days to build their board. That's enough time. And I'm sure anyone in the running has already started building their own boards.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1356921]I am not going to be surprised if we bring in some 3rd party analytics or if the new GM brings some pieces with them.

I can’t imagine we roll with Ron’s scouting department[/quote]

Josh Harris already hired Eugene Shen to head up the analytics department. He's one of the best in the business and he's been working here for months.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1356920]What I wonder, is how the new FO will handle college scouting. Did our current scouts do enough or were they part of the issue with our poor drafting? Will the new FO bring in their own people ASAP, or will they have to rely on whatever quality the previous regime used? It is a lot to get right, and solid organizations have a functional and efficient scouting corps. My guess is that we did not.[/QUOTE]


I was just wondering the same thing. It takes more than one new personnel guy to build a draft board. All the more reason to see this as a 2-year project.


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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1356920]What I wonder, is how the new FO will handle college scouting. Did our current scouts do enough or were they part of the issue with our poor drafting? Will the new FO bring in their own people ASAP, or will they have to rely on whatever quality the previous regime used? It is a lot to get right, and solid organizations have a functional and efficient scouting corps. My guess is that we did not.[/quote]

Zero chance the new Front Office will rely on anything the previous regime used. That shit is on its way to the burn barrel as we speak.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1356929]Zero chance the new Front Office will rely on anything the previous regime used. That shit is on its way to the burn barrel as we speak.[/quote]

You may be right but I wonder if Snyder or Rivera ever had any regard for the scouting reports. Isn't it possible that that the scouting department under the old regime had good people whose efforts were disregarded? I imagine that they may have had the lowest morale of any group in the building - other than all women, of course.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1356929]Zero chance the new Front Office will rely on anything the previous regime used. That shit is on its way to the burn barrel as we speak.[/quote]

I wonder which scouts sold Ron on his last 3 first round picks?

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[quote=nonniey;1356954]I wonder which scouts sold Ron on his last 3 first round picks?[/quote]

I don't count CY, literally everyone was drooling over him, he was just a straight up bust

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1356924][B]I'd throw all the old notes away. The new staff will have approximately 100 days to build their board. That's enough time.[/B] And I'm sure anyone in the running has already started building their own boards.[/quote]

It is not, most teams in transition will use the resources from the existing scouting staff. Scouting is a year long process, and it'd be ridiculous for the new regime to throw that away and be months behind other teams.

The current scouting staff and probably a lot of the mid level front office staff will be around until the draft. After that they will all be fired.

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[quote=mredskins;1356955]I don't count CY, literally everyone was drooling over him, he was just a straight up bust[/quote]

Crazy to think but yes

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People are going crazy of Caleb Williams, shit now I'm starting to get worried hes all hype

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1356960]People are going crazy of Caleb Williams, shit now I'm starting to get worried hes all hype[/quote]

The next CY?

Although, based on what we are seeing how Harris is processing through the GM/coach hiring, I'm confident that we will do the homework accordingly and draft a player that will have high chance of being successful.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1356960]People are going crazy of Caleb Williams, shit now I'm starting to get worried hes all hype[/quote]

The real evaluators are hired by teams not the media or fans like us.


I am big Celtics fan, the year we had the first pick everyone was all about Fultz; he was the next great thing, then Danny A trades out of first and i am like WTF; now we just have this crappy guy called Jayson

Let the pro's do their job and we have a great one in Peters

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1356976]The real evaluators are hired by teams not the media or fans like us.


I am big Celtics fan, the year we had the first pick everyone was all about Fultz; he was the next great thing, then Danny A trades out of first and i am like WTF; now we just have this crappy guy called Jayson

Let the pro's do their job and we have a great one in Peters[/QUOTE]


[IMG]https://media2.giphy.com/media/slErRFjUBNoeQ/giphy.gif[/IMG]

Lol. Sorry as a Sixers fan that is over the line. Fultz is a perfect example of one of those “process” decisions gone wrong.

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[quote=mredskins;1356955]I don't count CY, literally everyone was drooling over him, he was just a straight up bust[/quote]
I didn't either or I would have said last 4.

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[quote=nonniey;1356998]I didn't either or I would have said last 4.[/quote]

Ok I didn’t do the math , sorry

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[url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2024-nfl-mock-draft-new-commanders-gm-trades-up-to-no-1-jerod-mayos-patriots-tenure-begins-with-new-qb/[/url]

The point of this article is that the author thinks that if the Commanders believe there is a potential Franchise QB in this draft they will try to trade up to #1 to get him, no matter who he may be. I'm a Williams booster but this is not about him. It's about trading up for the the right QB.

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2. Jayden Daniels - QB - LSU
36. Kingsley Suamataia - OT - BYU
40. Patrick Paul - OT - Houston
67. Zach Frazier - OC - West Virginia
96. Junior Colson - LB - Michigan
98. Brandon Coleman - OG - TCU
132. Joshua Gray - OG - Oregon State
163. Elijah Jones - CB - Boston College
194. Luke Reimer - LB - Nebraska

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This draft is deep at OT. We legitimately have a chance to draft a franchise QB and franchise OT, if we hit right.

Peters crushing the 2024 draft:

[IMG]https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-02-2016/P30t_N.gif[/IMG]

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1356881]IMO [B]Maye is a three inches taller version of Sam Howell, if that's what you want.[/B]

Caleb Williams is a stunning playmaker. He is easily the best QB in this draft IMO. I would trade up to the #1 pick to get him. Put lifts in his cleats and tailor the offense to his strengths.

Commanders get: 2023 overall #1 pick.

Bears get: 2023 overall #2 pick, a 2023 second round pick, DT Jonathan Allen, and a 2024 second round pick or even a 2024 first round pick, if necessary.[/quote]

They literally do not play alike. Other than both being white and going to UNC thats where the comparison ends

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Outsmarting Snyder’s draft room was a full time media profession, with anxiety-ridden fans and WFT enemies eating it up.

Now it’s mostly meaningless hot takes


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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1357016]2. Jayden Daniels - QB - LSU
36. Kingsley Suamataia - OT - BYU
40. Patrick Paul - OT - Houston
67. Zach Frazier - OC - West Virginia
96. Junior Colson - LB - Michigan
98. Brandon Coleman - OG - TCU
132. Joshua Gray - OG - Oregon State
163. Elijah Jones - CB - Boston College
194. Luke Reimer - LB - Nebraska[/quote]

Good draft except for the first round.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1357017]This draft is deep at OT. We legitimately have a chance to draft a franchise QB and franchise OT, if we hit right.

Peters crushing the 2024 draft:

[IMG]https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-02-2016/P30t_N.gif[/IMG][/quote]

If we get a QB at #2 (ie not trade up) we have the ammo to trade into the top 15-20 if a one of the top 4 OTs drop. I'm thinking Latham or maybe even DE with Latu.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1357021]Good draft except for the first round.[/quote]

J. Daniels is someone you want or don't want, 100%. Doesn't seem to be a lot of middle ground. I think he'll be very good.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1357028]J. Daniels is someone you want or don't want, 100%. Doesn't seem to be a lot of middle ground. I think he'll be very good.[/QUOTE]


One thing everyone seems to agree on is how rapidly he’s been improving. That’s where you make your money as a GM — seeing where someone is heading, not analyzing their past stats


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Kind of getting interesting with Williams

[url]https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/caleb-williams-nfl-draft-declare-2024-news/2779836d8448a2e00ab61bde[/url]

He does seem to be a bit diva ; with NIL he could easily say fuck it this year if he doesn’t want be a Bear

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Wow! that article is very revealing .. the wanting part ownership before a team drafts him only to find out it doesn't work that way .. his dad allready saying stuff that is red flags. It's not a good look and makes me nervous about taking him . I want CJ Stroud type attitude .

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[quote=mredskins;1357040]Kind of getting interesting with Williams

[url]https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/caleb-williams-nfl-draft-declare-2024-news/2779836d8448a2e00ab61bde[/url]

He does seem to be a bit diva ; with NIL he could easily say fuck it this year if he doesn’t want be a Bear[/quote]

I'm a hard pass on Caleb Williams. Hard pass. He has RG3 written all over him.

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[quote=rocnrik;1357041]Wow! that article is very revealing .. the wanting part ownership before a team drafts him only to find out it doesn't work that way .. his dad allready saying stuff that is red flags. It's not a good look and makes me nervous about taking him . I want CJ Stroud type attitude .[/quote]

This. Stroud for as talented as he is, he is as humble as it gets. Gives his teammates all the praise. Love that kid. He's going to do great things in this league.