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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;533198]Thats an exaggeration in some post article (and I thought I was the only one who liked to exaggerate facts to prove a point). If they didnt think he was a capable backup, he'd be cut - We actually have the cap space to do it now. If we get rid of Jansen, then by all means, we should bring Willis in, but as of right now, we need to find someone who is an upgrade over Heyer and Jansen, if possible. If not, we need to hope Oher falls to us in the draft.[/quote]

sorry, but i disagree. jansen is cheaper to keep than cut. we don't need to cut him if we're still getting other players or waiting on draft picks (if we were going to take the hit, but its silly to take a hit and lose your OT depth for no reason).

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[quote=That Guy;533250]sorry, but i disagree. jansen is cheaper to keep than cut. we don't need to cut him if we're still getting other players or waiting on draft picks (if we were going to take the hit, but its silly to take a hit and lose your OT depth for no reason).[/quote]

You misunderstand my point. Its obviously stupid to cut Jansen. The point i was making is that if Jansen is taking up a roster spot, then it would be foolish to bring in Willis. If jansen and Heyer are here - they are our depth. We need a starter.

If we decided Jansen wasnt even capable of being a backup, then at that point we would have to eat the cap hit and cut him. In that scenario, i would be in favor of bringing in Willis - but we would still need to draft an OT to start at RT.

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[quote=GTripp0012;533232]Seeing as how Jason Fabini started three games at RT, I would say depth should be a priority.[/quote]

Truer words...

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[quote=The Goat;533256]Truer words...[/quote]

A team can only afford to carry 4 OTs. Last year, Samuels and Jansen were our starters, so Fabini and Heyer were our depth.

This year, we know Jansen cannot start, so at this point, he IS our depth. We've "upgraded" our depth already by replacing Fabini with Jansen as a backup OT. Heyer is our other backup OT and there is no one available in free agency who is a noticable upgrade over Heyer... so anyone we bring in would just be another backup. Do you want 3 backup-caliber OTs and only one starting-caliber OT on our roster?

We need to bring in a starter, not more depth. I dont understand why some people just cant seem to grasp this concept. Am I not explaining it clearly or is there some huge hole in my logic that I dont see?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;533258]A team can only afford to carry 4 OTs. Last year, Samuels and Jansen were our starters, so Fabini and Heyer were our depth.

This year, we know Jansen cannot start, so at this point, he IS our depth. We've "upgraded" our depth already by replacing Fabini with Jansen as a backup OT. Heyer is our other backup OT and [B]there is no one available in free agency who is a noticable upgrade over Heyer[/B]... so anyone we bring in would just be another backup. Do you want 3 backup-caliber OTs and only one starting-caliber OT on our roster?

We need to bring in a starter, not more depth. I dont understand why some people just cant seem to grasp this concept.[/quote]

I thing there's room for honest disagreement on this point. Yes Heyer has started in the past but has always struggled, especially in run-blocking. Willis out of Seattle started 10 games last year and played in all 16 but only gave up 1.5 sacks. I believe that's fewer than each of our o-lineman surrendured. Willis is also said to be a mauler in the running game. I don't even know whether the FO is looking at him but it wouldn't surprise me... personally i think he'll be an upgrade over our RT situation for the past 2 years.

... btw even if we grab Willis i'm still onboard for taking Oher, Smith @ 13. We do need to get another legit starter @ LB too.

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I'm actually read that Willis was planning on taking over at RT for the Hawks at the end of the season anyway because he's played so well. There seems to be some pretty good compliments on him coming from some execs around the league. I'll need to find the link...

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[quote=The Goat;533260]I thing there's room for honest disagreement on this point. Yes Heyer has started in the past but has always struggled, especially in run-blocking. Willis out of Seattle started 10 games last year and played in all 16 but only gave up 1.5 sacks. I believe that's fewer than each of our o-lineman surrendured. Willis is also said to be a mauler in the running game. I don't even know whether the FO is looking at him but it wouldn't surprise me... personally i think he'll be an upgrade over our RT situation for the past 2 years.

... btw even if we grab Willis i'm still onboard for taking Oher, Smith @ 13. We do need to get another legit starter @ LB too.[/quote]

I think some people are overvaluing Willis. He's the best OT on the market right now and no one is showing much - if any - interest inhim... that should tell everyone something.

So in your scenario, if we grabbed Willis and took Oher or Smith at 13, you are cutting Heyer? Heyer has only played two years and improved dramatically each year. IMO it would be foolish to give up on him now.

Currently, we need a starting DE, RT, and LB. The only scenario where it makes sense to go after Willis is if we plan to take a LB or DE with the 13th pick. However, LB and DE are much easier to fill in free agency. Bringing back Evans solves our DE problem. Cato June, Derrick Brooks, and Crowell are all better LBs than Willis is an OT, if that makes sense. LB is also going to be pretty deep in the 2nd and 3rd round, so we can always pick up another LB there.

I respect people can have different opinions, but it just doesnt make sense to get Willis if were serious about "upgrading" the RT position.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;533263]I'm actually read that Willis was planning on taking over at RT for the Hawks at the end of the season anyway because he's played so well. There seems to be some pretty good compliments on him coming from some execs around the league. I'll need to find the link...[/quote]Well, Seattle's RT is Locklear, and he's their best offensive lineman and it was his injury that made room for Willis to show his stuff.

If Seattle thought Willis was in any way able to handle LT, they'd be scrambling to keep him given the age of Walter Jones. The fact that he's out there on the market means they think he's RT material.

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Willis is talked of being a legit starter at RT. I haven't heard that said of Heyer.

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(Re) Sign Evans, Willis, Crowell, and draft Oher at 13. In the third we look for a lineman who can play C/G.

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Willis is visiting the Raiders today.

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[quote=The Goat;533260]I thing there's room for honest disagreement on this point. Yes Heyer has started in the past but has always struggled, especially in run-blocking. Willis out of Seattle started 10 games last year and played in all 16 but only gave up 1.5 sacks. I believe that's fewer than each of our o-lineman surrendured. Willis is also said to be a mauler in the running game. I don't even know whether the FO is looking at him but it wouldn't surprise me... personally i think he'll be an upgrade over our RT situation for the past 2 years.

[B]... btw even if we grab Willis i'm still onboard for taking Oher, Smith @ 13. We do need to get another legit starter @ LB too[/B].[/quote]

Completely agree...we have to add an impactful player to our OL this offseason. Offense was our weakness last year and we haven't added that huge talent to the offense where we most need it.

I'm for signing Willis and drafting OL with our 13th overall pick.

...Like Sir Mix-A-Lot says "Huh!...Double-Up!...Huh!-HUH!"...with those wise words you can't go wrong.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;533266]I think some people are overvaluing Willis. He's the best OT on the market right now and no one is showing much - if any - interest inhim... that should tell everyone something.

So in your scenario, if we grabbed Willis and took Oher or Smith at 13, you are cutting Heyer? Heyer has only played two years and improved dramatically each year. IMO it would be foolish to give up on him now.

Currently, we need a starting DE, RT, and LB. The only scenario where it makes sense to go after Willis is if we plan to take a LB or DE with the 13th pick. However, LB and DE are much easier to fill in free agency. Bringing back Evans solves our DE problem. Cato June, Derrick Brooks, and Crowell are all better LBs than Willis is an OT, if that makes sense. LB is also going to be pretty deep in the 2nd and 3rd round, so we can always pick up another LB there.

I[B] respect people can have different opinions, but it just doesnt make sense to get Willis if were serious about "upgrading" the RT position[/B].[/quote]

Whose to say Willis wouldn't be an upgrade? He's never had the chance to be a full 16 game starter, and who knows he could be this year's surprise player. We wouldn't be paying him dollar and he could fill a need at RT.

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[quote=Mattyk72;533273]Willis is talked of being a legit starter at RT. I haven't heard that said of Heyer.[/quote]

Redskins Insider said many in our organization think Heyer can be an "above average" starting RT.

I havent heard anything said about Willis. He may or may not be better than Heyer. We dont know. Either way, the future RT of this team is already on the roster - his name is Chris Samuels and he can only be effective at LT one, maybe two more years. Any significant acquisition we make to improve our OT situation should be for an LT.

If Willis wants to sign here for close to the vet minimum and we decide to take the cap hit and cut Jansen now to make room for him, and draft Oher at 13, then fine - thats probably our best option if we want a really solid OT plan. Otherwise, we're giving up on Heyer way too soon.

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[quote=vallin21;533275](Re) Sign Evans, Willis, Crowell, and draft Oher at 13. In the third we look for a lineman who can play C/G.[/quote]

So are you cutting Heyer or Jansen to make room for Willis?