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[quote=jsarno;599484]Absolutely! He's been given ample opportunity...when does "potential" become realized?[/quote]If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it does it make a sound?

If Jason Campbell makes major progress in the stat sheet, and no one is there to read it, is he doing any better?

There's a lot of reasons our offense has struggled since last year's Lions game. The offensive line has not been good and has taken plenty of blows. The running game has not been a factor. The receivers were completely lost all of last year.

This year, the receivers are doing a better job and I think it shows up in Campbell's overall numbers. But the total product hasn't come yet. You do have to give it more than three games if you are looking for everything to come together at once. Just a week ago, Detroit was playing like the worst team in football. After an impressive win against us, they probably aren't one of the five worst teams in football.

We rank middle of the pack in offense, middle of the pack in defense, but our special teams [URL="http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst"]have actually been pretty good[/URL]. Which is a major upgrade from last year. But progress from this point on either offense or defense will be needed to put the whole package together.

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[quote=warriorzpath;599579]Never said anything about last year's performance in that post. Just pointed out how important the 2 games that the redskins lost this season.[/quote]

What? Yes you did, it's sitting right there in the quote box!

You said:

[quote]2 losses that easily could have been won by campbell if he makes the plays - this is the difference between 10-6 and 8-8 of last season.[/quote]

[quote]"It wouldn't make sense to look at the wins from the previous seasons and giving out credit, when they are losing and not performing well now."[/quote]

So you are saying it's not fair to give Jason credit for wins last season because the team has a losing record this year. But you also said in the previous post that you do hold him responsible for the team being 8-8 instead of 10-6.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;598814]First off.. Bro. You might not wanna assume everyone here is male, considering I'm not.

Nothing's wrong for having love for a team where you used to live. That doesn't make you any less of a fan of the current team you like.

Speaking of non-males... You know who I miss. Hess. lol you old timers know who I'm talking about.[/quote]

I was just thinking about that D.

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[quote=Mattyk72;598852]Yet here we are still banging away at this dead issue.

I don't get it.[/quote]

Weren't you the one who said the stupidity of mankind never ceases to amaze you. This is just another example.

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[quote=GTripp0012;599586]Not *this years* Tom Brady. We'd probably be 0-3.

Pre-injury Brady, yes, I think we beat the Lions to go to 2-1.[/quote]

I'd take this year's Brady in a heartbeat. And we'd be 3-0.

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[quote=dgack;599577]So just so I'm clear:[B]

* Campbell is to blame for at least a few of the games we lost last year.[/B]
* If we had a winning record *this* year, he'd get some back credit for the wins *last* year but since we lost one game more than we've won this season, he does not.

Success has many fathers but failure is an orphan.[/quote]

Ok, since you claimed it, name it. (see we all can coin clever sayings)

Tell us which games and how Campbell lost us last year.

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[quote=Paintrain;599640]Ok, since you claimed it, name it. (see we all can coin clever sayings)

Tell us which games and how Campbell lost us last year.[/quote]

You got me, I was trying to clarify his (Warriorzpath's) arguments. I personally lay about 10% of the team's problems at Campbell's feet.

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I think Campbell has done well, a few hiccups but what qb has not had them. Lets face it, whoever is the QB of the Washington Redskins is either going to be the Hero or Zero, that is just the way it is in DC.

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[quote=44Deezel;599638]I'd take this year's Brady in a heartbeat. [B] And we'd be 3-0[/B].[/quote]

:laughing- Please. The Patriots aren't even 3-0 with Brady. They only beat the Bills by one point ( Because of a really stupid play by the Bills) and lost to the Jets.

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[quote=Ruhskins;599294]This is the part that kills me about some of the fans...they bitch about not building through the draft or building through the trenches, blah blah blah. If Campbell gets run out of town successfully, basically we will spend our resources on a new QB, instead of spending them on offensive linemen and linebackers.[/quote]

Completely agree with you on this Ruhskins. We let JC walk and if we have a top 10 pick what do we draft? Oh let ,me guess a QB ( McCoy,Tebow,Bradford) then he can get killed with this marshmellow line and no running game. I guess we still don't draft O-Lineman again like years past. Always chasing the the next franchise QB BLAH BLAH BLAH.:headbange

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/29/eagles-say-goodbye-to-jeff-garcia/]Eagles say goodbye to Jeff Garcia | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

Do you guys envision a senario in which Garcia comes to DC if there is a shakeup at QB this season?

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[quote=Skinny Tee;599765][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/29/eagles-say-goodbye-to-jeff-garcia/]Eagles say goodbye to Jeff Garcia | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

Do you guys envision a senario in which Garcia comes to DC if there is a shakeup at QB this season?[/quote]

No. What would be the point?

Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie
 

[quote=44Deezel;599638]I'd take this year's Brady in a heartbeat. And we'd be 3-0.[/quote]


2009 Tom Brady: 61.3% Completion, 3 TD's, 2 Int's, 871 Yds, 11 Rush Yds, 79.9 QB Rating

2009 Jason Campbell: 67.6% Completion, 3 TD's, 2 Int's, 793 Yds, 65 Rush Yds, 92.5 QB Rating

Brady is playing behind an all pro offensive line and throwing to Randy Moss, and his numbers aren't any better than Campbell's. If you want to say Washington would be 3-0 with Brady, I could just as easily say that the Patriots would be 3-0 with Campbell and his numbers would look much better than Brady's numbers after three weeks.

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[quote=53Fan;599663]:laughing- Please. The Patriots aren't even 3-0 with Brady. They only beat the Bills by one point ( Because of a really stupid play by the Bills) and lost to the Jets.[/quote]

They also didn't play the Rams and Lions. I'm totally gay for Brady, so don't expect me to be reasonable.

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[quote=Southpaw;599809]2009 Tom Brady: 61.3% Completion, 3 TD's, 2 Int's, 871 Yds, 11 Rush Yds, 79.9 QB Rating

2009 Jason Campbell: 67.6% Completion, 3 TD's, 2 Int's, 793 Yds, 65 Rush Yds, 92.5 QB Rating

Brady is playing behind an all pro offensive line and throwing to Randy Moss, and his numbers aren't any better than Campbell's. If you want to say Washington would be 3-0 with Brady, I could just as easily say that the Patriots would be 3-0 with Campbell and his numbers would look much better than Brady's numbers after three weeks.[/quote]

Cassell was sacked more than Campbell last year, so the O-line argument falls flat. And Brady proved he could be good with mediocre talent at the skill positions. Name his WRs and RBs when he won 3 Super Bowls.

And Campbell isn't coming off a season ending knee injury. And while the stats are similar, Brady's widely considered to be struggling by his standards, while Campbell is playing the best football of his career.