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[quote=Rainy Parade;698751]my apologies if that quip was in repsonse to your post, i should have clarified.... i have heard (first hand in person as well as from "the media") plenty of people say that the housing crisis and subsequent economic collapse was caused/mostly the fault of "giving mortgages" to "minorities." my bad for implying that YOU said that or believe that. but it's been asserted.[/quote]Cool, Thx. :food-smil

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;698706]We agree to disagree. Now we know where we stand. What do we agree on. It seems like people are agreeing on anything anymore. Which leads me to this question. What are your perceptions of America. Is America an English/European Christian empire or something new created by the founding fathers.[/quote]Nothing I say or post will change your views/opinions. So it's best we stay at "agree to disagree".

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The housing issue was caused by just about everyone involved. Banks, goverment, builders, realtors, and the customers buying these homes.

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[quote=firstdown;698791]The housing issue was caused by just about everyone involved. Banks, goverment, builders, realtors, and the customers buying these homes.[/quote]

yup.
i'd also like to blame Dan Snyder, Vinny Cerrato, Dick Cheney, Jason Campbell, Ben Roethlisberger, Jim Zorn, Tiger Woods, Greg Blache, Brett Favre, and Albert Haynesworth.

and the media.

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[quote=firstdown;698791]The housing issue was caused by just about everyone involved. Banks, goverment, builders, realtors, and the customers buying these homes.[/quote]

Banks are not controlled by government. Please Slinging Sammy confirm with your links. The housing inventory existed before the sub prime loans. This will prove my hypothesis. Housing BOOM!!!

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There are houses, too many we can't sell. Find one you like and we will work with you to own it.

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[QUOTE=mlmpetert;698536][URL="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/03/mexicos-illegals-laws-tougher-than-arizonas/"]Mexico's illegals laws tougher than Arizona's - Washington Times[/URL]


Back on subject. Looks like a double standard that Mexico and Mexicans are using. If a Mexican feels the need to protest here why are they not protesting in Mexico? This was a good summary for their laws.

Under the Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony, punishable by up to two years in prison. Immigrants who are deported and attempt to re-enter can be imprisoned for 10 years. Visa violators can be sentenced to six-year terms. Mexicans who help illegal immigrants are considered criminals.
The law also says Mexico can deport foreigners who are deemed detrimental to "economic or national interests," violate Mexican law, are not "physically or mentally healthy" or lack the "necessary funds for their sustenance" and for their dependents.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;698795]Banks are not controlled by government. Please Slinging Sammy confirm with your links. The housing inventory existed before the sub prime loans. This will prove my hypothesis. Housing BOOM!!![/quote]
If there was a flood of houses on the market then home prices would have dropped so builders could sell them. The opposite was happening and there where more buyers then homes so prices jumped as buyers bid the homes up in value. Now toward the end when the buyers dried up there where more homes then buyers and like now prices have dropped. Thats just basic economics.

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[quote=firstdown;698800][QUOTE=mlmpetert;698536][URL="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/03/mexicos-illegals-laws-tougher-than-arizonas/"]Mexico's illegals laws tougher than Arizona's - Washington Times[/URL]


Back on subject. Looks like a double standard that Mexico and Mexicans are using. If a Mexican feels the need to protest here why are they not protesting in Mexico? This was a good summary for their laws.

Under the Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony, punishable by up to two years in prison. Immigrants who are deported and attempt to re-enter can be imprisoned for 10 years. Visa violators can be sentenced to six-year terms. Mexicans who help illegal immigrants are considered criminals.
The law also says Mexico can deport foreigners who are deemed detrimental to "economic or national interests," violate Mexican law, are not "physically or mentally healthy" or lack the "necessary funds for their sustenance" and for their dependents.[/quote]


Look, we don;t get down like that. in other words we are not gonna become a police state jsust to exact revenge for that racher's murder, RIP. Typical over reaction similar to patriot act.

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[URL="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/06/california-students-sent-home-wearing-flags-cinco-mayo/"]FOXNews.com - California Students Sent Home for Wearing U.S. Flags on Cinco de Mayo[/URL]

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[quote=firstdown;698805][B]If there was a flood of houses on the market then home prices would have dropped so builders could sell them. The opposite was happening and there where more buyers then homes so prices jumped as buyers bid the homes up in value[/B]. Now toward the end when the buyers dried up there where more homes then buyers and like now prices have dropped. Thats just basic economics.[/quote]

How dare you inject the concepts of supply and demand into jtf's rant against the free market!!

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In your own words:

[quote=joethiesmanfan;698755]What came first the chicken or the egg?[B] Did the inventory of (over building) houses exist before the sub-prime loans? [/B]Why would banks design such crazy loans? What would be their motivation? Government pressure? When have banks ever operated in this fashion?[/quote]


[quote=joethiesmanfan;698795][B]Please [joethiesmanfan] confirm with your links.[/B] The housing inventory existed before the sub prime loans. This will prove my hypothesis. Housing BOOM!!![/quote]

You make many, many assertions both explicit and implied concerning the causes of the houseing collapse. Where are the links showing the excess inventory pre-boom?

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Obama care thread move over, we've got a new sheriff in town

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[quote=JoeRedskin;698923]In your own words:






You make many, many assertions both explicit and implied concerning the causes of the houseing collapse. Where are the links showing the excess inventory pre-boom?[/quote]


[url=http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/25/study-shows-building-boom-before-market-crashed/]Study Shows Building Boom Before Market Crashed - City Room Blog - NYTimes.com[/url]

[url=http://money.cnn.com/2010/04/16/news/economy/Florida_home_building/index.htm?section=money_topstories]Builders returning to the devastated Florida housing market - Apr. 16, 2010[/url]


Putting people into the housing market who weren't in the housing market. Releasing credit restrictions to get rid of them houses. These two links show New York housing market and Florida.

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You know who built all those houses? Illegal immigrants, that's who. Thus proving a plot by the socialist parties of Mexico and Cuba to invade our land with low skill low wage workers who would topple the very foundation of the free market by flooding the housing sector with unneeded houses thus forcing the banks to begin the subprime craze, and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to keep pumping money until the system collapsed. Then the socialists of Cuba/Mexico took to the Gulf where they forced Big Oil to drill in deeper and deeper water until Big Oil lost it. I see the whole picture now. It is clear. Thank you joetheismanfan. Die all you capitalist pigs, socialism will rule!