Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

[quote=MTK;1186641]Guess I’ll ask again, when was the last sign and trade in the NFL let alone a tag and trade? We’re talking about uncharted waters and people are saying it’s highly likely?? Based on what?[/quote]

Why does it have to be based on any historical evidence? Facing the concept of tagging a player three times in a row is uncharted waters in itself, yet, do you doubt that will happen? I don't doubt it at all. I think it is very much on the table - but with caveats, obviously. I seriously doubt Kirk Cousins is straight up tagged with no plans for any negotiations with other teams. Tagging him with the transition tag gives him less money and no compensation for the 'skins if they choose not to match any deal. Tagging him the exclusive, but then granting him the opportunity to negotiate with other teams gives the 'skins an opportunity to get something from the deal if Cousins finds a team and a offer he likes and the 'skins aren't willing to match. And at the very least/most, Cousins has security, because either way, he knows he's getting PAID in 2018. The 'skins would love to get some high round picks for losing Cousins. Picks in which they could use to move up and grab one of the high round QB draftees, and still have money to sign a free agent QB with playoff experience. This all ONLY works if the Redskins already have a trade partner, or two (Denver or NY Jets) agreeing to dance. And if nobody bites and the offer is accepted, well, then the 'skins can use that to say that nobody was interested in signing Kirk Cousins, so here's the deal. If Cousins refuses the deal, then he plays at $34M.

All of this goes away if and when the Redskins offer Kirk Cousins a LTD after the Super Bowl. But what historical evidence do you have that would make us believe Cousins accepts that deal?

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1186619]2012 Bro... But I hear ya man it sucks to be us right now.

[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/35446/can-the-redskins-sign-kirk-cousins-and-still-build-around-him]Can Washington Redskins sign Kirk Cousins and still build around him? - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]


“It’s unique this year,” Banner said. “There are a couple of veteran quarterbacks out there other than [Cousins] who could be available, so there’s a possibility for other options that might be more affordable and present an opportunity to build around them at a more affordable price. That’s why this [situation] is more challenging.”


Which hurts Kirk iMO and helps us[/quote]

I figured someone would bring up 2012 but they even figured out a way to screw that up.

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

[QUOTE=metalskins;1186642]Why does it have to be based on any historical evidence? Facing the concept of tagging a player three times in a row is uncharted waters in itself, yet, do you doubt that will happen? I don't doubt it at all. I think it is very much on the table - but with caveats, obviously. I seriously doubt Kirk Cousins is straight up tagged with no plans for any negotiations with other teams. Tagging him with the transition tag gives him less money and no compensation for the 'skins if they choose not to match any deal. Tagging him the exclusive, but then granting him the opportunity to negotiate with other teams gives the 'skins an opportunity to get something from the deal if Cousins finds a team and a offer he likes and the 'skins aren't willing to match. And at the very least/most, Cousins has security, because either way, he knows he's getting PAID in 2018. The 'skins would love to get some high round picks for losing Cousins. Picks in which they could use to move up and grab one of the high round QB draftees, and still have money to sign a free agent QB with playoff experience. This all ONLY works if the Redskins already have a trade partner, or two (Denver or NY Jets) agreeing to dance. And if nobody bites and the offer is accepted, well, then the 'skins can use that to say that nobody was interested in signing Kirk Cousins, so here's the deal. If Cousins refuses the deal, then he plays at $34M.



All of this goes away if and when the Redskins offer Kirk Cousins a LTD after the Super Bowl. But what historical evidence do you have that would make us believe Cousins accepts that deal?[/QUOTE]



You lost me on your first sentence.

You’re saying something is highly likely to happen when there’s no history of it occurring.

What am I missing here.

Could it happen? Sure I guess. Highly likely though? Doubt it.

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

[quote=MTK;1186645]You lost me on your first sentence.

You’re saying something is highly likely to happen when there’s no history of it occurring.

What am I missing here.

Could it happen? Sure I guess. Highly likely though? Doubt it.[/quote]

Yes, because the Redskins aren't walking away from this without something in return. They either want to keep Kirk Cousins, or they want something in return to look as if everybody gets something from the deal. To simply let Cousins walk if he balks at a LTD would admit defeat and failure, and that isn't something Daniel Snyder likes to do. So, unless you hear about a LTD being struck with Cousins soon after the Super Bowl is over, you're going to start seeing the likelihood of some sort of trade with another team, and the 'skins can't do that unless they already have Cousins locked up and off the market. The 'skins can't make such a deal on a transition tag, and I don't believe they get anything of value with a non-exclusive tag this year (I could be wrong). So that's why I say it's highly likely. I'm not saying that is 100% going to happen, but it's highly likely if you don't see a LTD struck quickly.

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

[quote=metalskins;1186652]Yes, because the Redskins aren't walking away from this without something in return. They either want to keep Kirk Cousins, or they want something in return to look as if everybody gets something from the deal. To simply let Cousins walk if he balks at a LTD would admit defeat and failure, and that isn't something Daniel Snyder likes to do. So, unless you hear about a LTD being struck with Cousins soon after the Super Bowl is over, you're going to start seeing the likelihood of some sort of trade with another team, and the 'skins can't do that unless they already have Cousins locked up and off the market. The 'skins can't make such a deal on a transition tag, and I don't believe they get anything of value with a non-exclusive tag this year (I could be wrong). So that's why I say it's highly likely. I'm not saying that is 100% going to happen, but it's highly likely if you don't see a LTD struck quickly.[/quote]

There is no doubt in my mind that Dan would pay KC 34M Next yr just so he isn't defeated by getting nothing for KC.

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

I really want a HISHE episode of the KC contract negotiations when this is all done :)

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1186653]There is no doubt in my mind that Dan would pay KC 34M Next yr just so he isn't defeated by getting nothing for KC.[/quote]

Yeah, that will show Kirk and everyone else!!! 78 million guaranteed over 3 years.

This franchise is a trainwreck.

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1186660]Yeah, that will show Kirk and everyone else!!! 78 million guaranteed over 3 years.

This franchise is a trainwreck.[/quote]

And then he gets the big money deal with another 80 mil guaranteed from another franchise lol.

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

[url]https://www.bigcatcountry.com/2018/1/24/16929264/adam-schefter-jacksonville-jaguars-sign-kirk-cousins-alex-smith-move-on-from-blake-bortles[/url]


As I thought all along. If Jacksonville can sign Kirk, Bortles is good as gone. I'd rather have Cousins than Smith any day of the week.



Also, I agree with Matty on this. Ain't no sign and trade happening. NOBODY is going to sign Kirk for tons of money and give up high picks. San Fran didn't do it and they had the cap space and NO QB. Browns aren't going to do it. NOBODY is going to do it.

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1186670][url]https://www.bigcatcountry.com/2018/1/24/16929264/adam-schefter-jacksonville-jaguars-sign-kirk-cousins-alex-smith-move-on-from-blake-bortles[/url]


As I thought all along. If Jacksonville can sign Kirk, Bortles is good as gone. I'd rather have Cousins than Smith any day of the week.



Also, I agree with Matty on this. Ain't no sign and trade happening. NOBODY is going to sign Kirk for tons of money and give up high picks. San Fran didn't do it and they had the cap space and NO QB. Browns aren't going to do it. NOBODY is going to do it.[/quote]



Jags would be fools to keep Bortles at 19M. I'm sure he would go down to 12 if they asked

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

[quote=MTK;1186645]You lost me on your first sentence.

You’re saying something is highly likely to happen when there’s no history of it occurring.

What am I missing here.

Could it happen? Sure I guess. Highly likely though? Doubt it.[/quote]

But we could franchise him and let him negotiate a deal with another team to receive compensation.

I don't think this is out of the question, there are other teams who would gladly guarantee 75-90 million for Cousins.

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

[quote=Chico23231;1186672]But we could franchise him and let him negotiate a deal with another team to receive compensation.

I [B]don't think this is out of the question, there are other teams who would gladly guarantee 75-90 million for Cousins.[/quote][/B]

see I don't really know how many though, I mean Jets and who else? Denver doesn't have that kind of money, Bills? Nah. Browns? Maybe but that is about it.

Kirk may leave for a lesser deal than expected

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1186674][/B]

see I don't really know how many though, I mean Jets and who else? Denver doesn't have that kind of money, Bills? Nah. Browns? Maybe but that is about it.

Kirk may leave for a lesser deal than expected[/quote]

Take into consideration the other qb's that may be on the market, and a decent draft class, and it would seem like KC doesn't have as much leverage as he did last year.

In the Draft, Cleveland has 2 top 4 picks. NYG and Colts will either sell their pick or not likely take a qb at 2 and 3, so top qbs are likely to drop to Denver and NYJ at 5 and 6, who would have to be considered the top bidders for Kirk.

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1186674][/B]

see I don't really know how many though, I mean Jets and who else? Denver doesn't have that kind of money, Bills? Nah. Browns? Maybe but that is about it.

Kirk may leave for a lesser deal than expected[/quote]

It only takes 1.

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1186674][/B]

see I don't really know how many though, I mean Jets and who else? Denver doesn't have that kind of money, Bills? Nah. Browns? Maybe but that is about it.

Kirk may leave for a lesser deal than expected[/quote]

Jags Arizona Denver would be where I would start.

Jets, Bills, Browns are second tier...but all would be interested.

It wouldn’t be hard to clear cap space in Denver and elway is willing to do it.