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[quote=punch it in;1311590]Yup and say what you want about Trent Dilfer but he is a SB champion, something Dan Marino will never be. That doesn’t mean diddly and you know damn well KC is a better quarterback than Foles.[/quote]

The overall body of work says Cousins is better. I will agree there. But Foles played great on the biggest stage. Cousins hasn't done that and probably never will.

I think w/ Cousins what's most important to him is making as much money as possible and keeping good stats. He's a good to very good QB but not a championship QB.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1311579]I can't believe you guys want Winston. This is the guy who threw 30 ints and wants to eat a W... SMH...[/quote]

He ate a lot of W's at FSU. National Champion.

He is the most talented option imo. I'd be happy with him or Trubisky, as long as we draft someone too.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1311605]The overall body of work says Cousins is better. I will agree there. But Foles played great on the biggest stage. Cousins hasn't done that and probably never will.

I think w/ Cousins what's most important to him is making as much money as possible and keeping good stats. He's a good to very good QB but not a championship QB.[/quote]

He's bitchboy that is a damn good business man. Played us like a violin. Vikings too.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1311594]Kirk has had multiple 30 td seasons LOL, we can't get 30 Passing TDs with 4 QBs total in one season... Stop the hate on the guy, he left because of our trash organization back then... Its better now[/quote]

I was always pro Kirk, even when most of the fanbase still had a hard on for RG3. I knew Griffin was a phony. It just took longer to find out Kirk is one too.

Would I be happy if we got Kirk back? At the right price yes.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1311599]He has been solid, but he doesn't get paid "solid QB" money. But when he went on the market, he was the best QB available and gets to dictate whatever money he gets paid.

Going back to people wanting a "cheap QB" that will rarely happen. Especially this year when we have a seemingly not so great rookie QB class. A lot of these tier 2 and 3 QBs are going to get overpaid, because of the market.[/quote]


The going rate for a Tier 2 QB is $25M+ per year.
Wentz, Cousins, Tannehill, and Ryan all make about $30mil per year.
Ignore the guys on rookie contracts or at the end of the a long contract, those numbers are misleading.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1311608]He's bitchboy that is a damn good business man. Played us like a violin. Vikings too.[/quote]

It's like all the guy cares about is making as much money as possible and nothing else matters. I can see why guys in the locker room do not warm up to him. He's not a leader, he's not a CEO of a team. He's an employee and a highly compensated one.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1311605]The overall body of work says Cousins is better. I will agree there. But Foles played great on the biggest stage. Cousins hasn't done that and probably never will.

[B]I think w/ Cousins what's most important to him is making as much money as possible and keeping good stats.[/B] He's a good to very good QB but not a championship QB.[/quote]

I think you are spot on and honestly, I don't think there is nothing wrong with that. I just don't understand why people are so bent on defending him.

To me he will always be a tier 2 QB with tier 1 QB stats.

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Also w/ Winston I think the guy has some serious demons. He was accused of rape, settled w/ the girl who accused him. Then he tried to finger his Uber driver and paid her off too. So he has paid off two people who have accused him of sexual assault.

Can we sign this guy w/ everything that's going on? You just can't. Him and Watson are just off the table imo.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1311609]I was always pro Kirk, even when most of the fanbase still had a hard on for RG3. I knew Griffin was a phony. It just took longer to find out Kirk is one too.

[B]Would I be happy if we got Kirk back? At the right price yes.[/B][/quote]

He's definitely a better option than anything below Carr IMO (and that's debatable).

But there are two things:

1. He's never going to be cheap. And again, my point has been that you will always overpay QBs. The only cheap QB is a backup.

2. Can he win with the offensive talent that we have now, given that he has not been able to win with better talent in Minnesota (Thielin, Diggs, Jefferson, Cook).

I think Kirk would be a much better QB in New Orleans, Tampa Bay, or San Francisco.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1311613]Also w/ Winston I think the guy has some serious demons. He was accused of rape, settled w/ the girl who accused him. Then he tried to finger his Uber driver and paid her off too. So he has paid off two people who have accused him of sexual assault.

Can we sign this guy w/ everything that's going on? You just can't. Him and Watson are just off the table imo.[/quote]

I mean Pittsburgh didn't seem to have an issue with Big Ben. And what Jameis has done hasn't seen the light of national news. But you bring up a good point given everything that's going on here.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1311605]The overall body of work says Cousins is better. I will agree there. But Foles played great on the biggest stage. Cousins hasn't done that and probably never will.

I think w/ Cousins what's most important to him is making as much money as possible and keeping good stats. He's a good to very good QB but not a championship QB.[/QUOTE]


Do you think maybe Foles had a better team around him for his one shining moment? I know Dilfer did. Also if Foles had the leverage Cousins did he would cash out. You can’t fault Cousins for taking more money, and Im not sure you can say he doesn’t play well on a big stage. I mean what big stage has the team around him ever afforded him? Its all situational and that’s not under Cousins control.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1311612]
To me he will always be a tier 2 QB with tier 1 QB stats.[/QUOTE]


You are as hell bent on trashing him as well. I don’t even understand how you can be a tier 2 quarterback with tier 1 stats? Isn’t that what makes you a tier 1 or 2 quarterback, stats?

I mean I can go along with he is overpaid, but that’s the business of nfl quarterbacks. It doesn’t make him better or worse.

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[quote=punch it in;1311617]You are as hell bent on trashing him as well. I don’t even understand how you can be a tier 2 quarterback with tier 1 stats? [B]Isn’t that what makes you a tier 1 or 2 quarterback, stats?[/B][/quote]

I would agree with you if I didn't see it myself. I have said it before my son plays youth hockey at a pretty decent level, season ended. I could go through the stats of each of his players and if i presented you just those stats you maybe inclined to rank just off the stats, you be dead wrong though.

There is a intangible to players that no algorithm in the world can capture, that intangible differentiates the has and has nots.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1311592]Winston is better than Mitch and TH by far[/quote]

How exactly did you come to that conclusion - that Winston is better than Trubisky by far?

Is it the "eye test"? Because the stats would suggest otherwise, or at least that they are fairly comparative.

The only thing I would give the edge to Winston for is experience. He has played more games, both in College and the NFL. That's about it.

Trubisky:
Better completion %.
Better W/L record.
More playoff experience.
More mobile.
Not coming off a torn ACL w/MCL damage.

There are no great choices beyond the obvious three QBs that we won't land. But if I have to choose between JW and MT, I think I'm going MT.

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[quote=punch it in;1311617]You are as hell bent on trashing him as well. I don’t even understand how you can be a tier 2 quarterback with tier 1 stats? Isn’t that what makes you a tier 1 or 2 quarterback, stats?

I mean I can go along with he is overpaid, but that’s the business of nfl quarterbacks. It doesn’t make him better or worse.[/quote]

I'm not trashing him. I think he could go to New Orleans, Tampa Bay, or San Francisco and be more successful than he was in Minnesota. They have the personnel for a QB like Kirk.

Maybe calling him a tier 2 QB is not the best way to represent what I was trying to say. Maybe he's tier 1 but not elite?

I mean is he in the category as:

- Rodgers
- Mahommes
- Wilson

These are all current QBs, playing at a high level, who have double-digit/winning playoff records, and each has at least 1 SB.

In that case, a tier 1 of QBs could include Cousins. He'd be in the company of other QBs with 5 or less playoffs appearances:

- Joe Borrow
- Josh Allen
- Deshaun Watson
- Lamar Jackson
- Ryan Tannehill

So is it fair to call Kirk a tier 1 QB with elite stats?