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They need to erase this loss from their memory and move on with the rest of the season.

I have said it before and will say it again. Portis is done! His lifespan as a RB in the NFL was very short. The Skins need to start looking at their options with him.

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[QUOTE=billyharless;370168]They need to erase this loss from their memory and move on with the rest of the season.

I have said it before and will say it again. Portis is done! His lifespan as a RB in the NFL was very short. The Skins need to start looking at their options with him.[/QUOTE]

First, I disagree with your statement that Portis is done. I saw people ripping Portis for getting hit in the backfield. I'm not sure what you think, but if a RB is getting hit in the backfield, that usually means that there are problems with the O-line and not with the RB.

What options are there? Put Betts in? Betts is NOT performing any better than Portis. In fact, Portis looks better than Betts. Moreover, people that complain about how injury-prone Portis is should look at Betts' history of injuries.

But, I guess the grass is always greener.....

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711;370162]I'm not going to defend this team one bit, but I'll stick by them. But that was a garbage performance and they know it as much as I do...and seirously, can we stop bitching about how "Unclassy" Belicheck is...he did exactly what we all bitch and moan at Joe Gibbs for NOT doing each week...who gives a crap. I agree 10000000000% with Brian Mitchell "If you dont want them to score, dont let them socre" period, end of story. Its not like we are a little league team, were all proffessionals too, I love what Bellicheck does at the end of games and have no problem in the slightest with it.

This is very indicative to the 2005 loss to the Giants (although the Pats are a much better team, and the score showed that); and next week against the Jets will determine whether the rest of the season will be worth watching or not. They'll either come back and make the changes, or just fold up and die.[/QUOTE]

I disagree. It's completely unclassy. Some of the greatest head coaches of all-time have blown out opponents, but they don't run up the score unneccesarily. There is such a thing as sportsmanship.

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He shook his hand--not an issue. So Belicheck wants records. Whatever. No one can deny they're the best in the league right now and one of the best ever. Good game in Indy next week, though.

Lots of things went wrong today. The key, no doubt was FOUR turnovers by JC. We lose to almost anyone if that happens. The D took away to long ball (but for one pass) and the Pats just adapted, as we expected. Without ball control, you can't beat those guys, IMO. And we couldn't do that at all today.

Hard loss, but that's why it mattered so very much that we beat Arizona. Now we need to bounce back an beat the Jets on the road. That's the only response to this game that matter. The rest is window dressing.

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There was no need to go for it twice like that. Bellichek is a great coach but he's not much of a person. I'll be pulling hard for the Colts next week.

As for Brian Mitchell, I find his sactimonious act a little tiresome. He was a fine kick returner but the reason the Redskins sucked balls through the 90s was that we had guys like him instead of real leaders.

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Up 38-0, the only reason to go for a 4th down in the red zone is to say (to quote the Sports Guy) "Efff You Too!" I admire the Patriots for playing hard all game, but running up the score is bush league. And lining up in the shotgun of a 45-0 game is running up the score.

If I was Gregg Williams, I would have blitzed the crap out of them in the 2nd half, playing coverage only works if you've got the corners to cover. There was a plan, but shouldn't there have been a Plan B? Of course, that means that GW would have to be taken off the medication he's been on. If we're going down, then lets go down with our best stuff.

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[QUOTE=70Chip;370199]There was no need to go for it twice like that. Bellichek is a great coach but he's not much of a person. I'll be pulling hard for the Colts next week.

As for Brian Mitchell, I find his sactimonious act a little tiresome. He was a fine kick returner but the reason the Redskins sucked balls through the 90s was that we had guys like him instead of real leaders.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, especially about B-Mich. Still pissed we didn't re-sign him late in his career. Whatever. A non-issue, and not surprising that B-mitch shows his true colors, once again. Gibbs didn't whine, make excuses, or fail to shake hands. He said this loss happened to all of them, they played badly in all three phases, and he takes the blame for it. What else is there to say? Now beat the Jets and wash this bad taste out of our mouths! (It's gonna be a long week!)

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[QUOTE=memphisskin;370205]Up 38-0, the only reason to go for a 4th down in the red zone is to say (to quote the Sports Guy) "Efff You Too!" I admire the Patriots for playing hard all game, but running up the score is bush league. And lining up in the shotgun of a 45-0 game is running up the score.

If I was Gregg Williams, I would have blitzed the crap out of them in the 2nd half, playing coverage only works if you've got the corners to cover. There was a plan, but shouldn't there have been a Plan B? Of course, that means that GW would have to be taken off the medication he's been on. If we're going down, then lets go down with our best stuff.[/QUOTE]

I realize I am being bush league and immature, but I would not have been very upset if Grilliams had told his players to keep going after the whistle and hit Brady in the mouth after the play was over.

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I need to own up.
I am a lifetime Gibbs fan but I made the statement unless there was a dramatic move in offensive philosophy this game to deal with the OLine issues....such as change the starters or go heavy shotgun/hurry up, I would lose faith in him...
Well....not only did Gibbs not adjust the offense, GW didn't either.

Guys....it is not just player performance.
The coaches did not put the players in a position to compete with better talent.
This was obvious to all of us...and we don't get 5 million a year.

I have officially off the "give Gibbs the benefit of the doubt" bandwagon.

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I think Brady is a peice of shit along with Bellichek. I really thought Brady standing on the sideline bitching to the refs was out of line. I thought the whole sideline of the Pats were disrespectful. Yes, we got our asses handed to us, but this by far was one of the worst games I have ever seen. Do you think Dungy would coach like this, or even Manning? I mean c'mon.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;370219]I realize I am being bush league and immature, but I would not have been very upset if Grilliams had told his players to keep going after the whistle and hit Brady in the mouth after the play was over.[/QUOTE]

Well two wrongs don't make a right...but I agree.

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[quote=skinsnut;370221]I need to own up.
I am a lifetime Gibbs fan but I made the statement unless there was a dramatic move in offensive philosophy this game to deal with the OLine issues....such as change the starters or go heavy shotgun/hurry up, I would lose faith in him...
Well....not only did Gibbs not adjust the offense, GW didn't either.

Guys....it is not just player performance.
The coaches did not put the players in a position to compete with better talent.
This was obvious to all of us...and we don't get 5 million a year.

I have officially off the "give Gibbs the benefit of the doubt" bandwagon.[/quote]

You need the personnel to do those things. The Skins did come out and try got throw the ball today. You didn't see them going run, run, pass, punt. They could not apparently get open downfield, however, and JC held the ball, got hit, and fumbled. You don't think those plays where he fumbled were downfield patterns? What do you want? What you saw today was a perfect example of why it is so important for the Skins to run the ball and why their inability to do so might just kill their season. They just are not good enough throwing the ball right now to go and do so consistently. The result is getting yourself into 2nd and 3rd and long situations which is just setting yourself up for failure. There is only so much a coaching staff can do. Remember also that bringing in a new coaching staff means a new offense, a new defense, turnover in personnel, etc. There is no magic bullet here fellas. If I were the coaching staff I wouldn't even have the players watch film of the Pats game. I would just move on to the Jets and put this game in the past forever. I'm sure others will disagree, but that is my opinion.

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[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan;370236]You need the personnel to do those things. The Skins did come out and try got throw the ball today. You didn't see them going run, run, pass, punt. They could not apparently get open downfield, however, and JC held the ball, got hit, and fumbled. You don't think those plays where he fumbled were downfield patterns? What do you want? What you saw today was a perfect example of why it is so important for the Skins to run the ball and why their inability to do so might just kill their season. They just are not good enough throwing the ball right now to go and do so consistently. The result is getting yourself into 2nd and 3rd and long situations which is just setting yourself up for failure. There is only so much a coaching staff can do. Remember also that bringing in a new coaching staff means a new offense, a new defense, turnover in personnel, etc. There is no magic bullet here fellas. If I were the coaching staff I wouldn't even have the players watch film of the Pats game. I would just move on to the Jets and put this game in the past forever. I'm sure others will disagree, but that is my opinion.[/QUOTE]

Good post

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why cant JC and the offense do what the Pats did to us? Brady completed what seemed like 100 passes to the middle of the field, about 7-8 yards long. He got rid of the ball quickly. Why cant we do this?

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[QUOTE=jrtmolar;370240]why cant JC and the offense do what the Pats did to us? Brady completed what seemed like 100 passes to the middle of the field, about 7-8 yards long. He got rid of the ball quickly. Why cant we do this?[/QUOTE]

Because their O-line isn't playing like trash due to injury, JC (as much as I like him) isn't Tom Brady, and our wide receiving corps isn't as deep or good as the Pats.

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[quote=jrtmolar;370240]why cant JC and the offense do what the Pats did to us? Brady completed what seemed like 100 passes to the middle of the field, about 7-8 yards long. He got rid of the ball quickly. Why cant we do this?[/quote]

If it were that easy why doesn't the whole damn league do it??

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;370280]Because their O-line isn't playing like trash due to injury, JC (as much as I like him) isn't Tom Brady, and our wide receiving corps isn't as deep or good as the Pats.[/QUOTE]

And that, folks, pretty much sums it up.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;370280]Because their O-line isn't playing like trash due to injury, JC (as much as I like him) isn't Tom Brady, and our wide receiving corps isn't as deep or good as the Pats.[/QUOTE]


This is only partially true.
He wasn't slinging it under center all day.
He was in the shotgun...it gives him better vision and more time.
Those are a couple things a young qb can benefit from...especially with a depleted oline.

Cmon....lets get serious.
Not going shotgun at all with a crappy line is a recipe for disaster...when they tried that in combo with a hurry up they scored a TD....now I know it was late....but why do they only try "new" ideas when it doesn't matter?

They should have opened that way....you know the Colts will!
Im not comparing us with them, since we need to stay pretty balanced....but damn...we cant run from standard formations anyways....it was obvious last week we needed a major change on the line or a change in formations.
Shotgun draws work great with a back like portis anyways.

I am very disappointed in this basic adjustment not being made against superior talent. I am losing faith in my hero Gibbs

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that was just flat out a superior team...hopefully they will have issues come the end of the season...they are one of the most healthy teams out there.

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We went shotgun twice in the first drive. We had three first downs on that drive. One was thanks to the shotgun. And the other time we went shotgun in that drive Campbell threw a bad pass to Cooley (may have been tipped) and we punted

Our second drive we went three and out

Third drive we went shotgun twice. Similar to the first drive, one got us a first down and the other was incomplete and forced a punt

That's the first three drives, shotgun formation 4 times. So yeah we don't use the shotgun the way the Pats do. But it's not like we never use it, or wait until the end of the game to go shotgun.

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I wonder if the restraints he supposedly took off Al Saunders were really taken off. The offense is so bland. There is no creativity.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;370280]Because their O-line isn't playing like trash due to injury, JC (as much as I like him) isn't Tom Brady, and our wide receiving corps isn't as deep or good as the Pats.[/quote]


Sorry, but a trio of Santana Moss, Randle El, Llyod should be the best in the league, and they are total underachievers. O line depletion hurts big time, but doesn't excuse lousy play or playcalling. JC might not be our "savior" at QB after all and might end up like Ramsey.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;370236]You need the personnel to do those things. The Skins did come out and try got throw the ball today. You didn't see them going run, run, pass, punt. They could not apparently get open downfield, however, and JC held the ball, got hit, and fumbled. You don't think those plays where he fumbled were downfield patterns? What do you want? What you saw today was a perfect example of why it is so important for the Skins to run the ball and why their inability to do so might just kill their season. They just are not good enough throwing the ball right now to go and do so consistently. The result is getting yourself into 2nd and 3rd and long situations which is just setting yourself up for failure. There is only so much a coaching staff can do. Remember also that bringing in a new coaching staff means a new offense, a new defense, turnover in personnel, etc. There is no magic bullet here fellas. If I were the coaching staff I wouldn't even have the players watch film of the Pats game. I would just move on to the Jets and put this game in the past forever. I'm sure others will disagree, but that is my opinion.[/quote]

I don't agree. We do have the personnell to have a wide open passing attack. Sure Llyod is a waste now, but Moss posted OK numbers finally, as did Randle El. We need Caldwell and McCardell in the mix. With all of these guys we have a very deep WR corp. Our top tier O line is banged up, but it should not affect our offensive performance so dramatically as it has. Our coaching staff is totally overpaid and overhyped. You say to forget this game and move on. I agree with that, but folks need to also forget Gibbs I and move on also. In that I mean this "Gibbs is God, Gibbs is unfallible crap should go with it as well. Gibbs and co were schooled today, and didn't even make any adjustments to mount any sort of comeback or at least try and make it half way competitive.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;370371][B]Sorry, but a trio of Santana Moss, Randle El, Llyod should be the best in the league[/B], and they are total underachievers. O line depletion hurts big time, but doesn't excuse lousy play or playcalling. JC might not be our "savior" at QB after all and might end up like Ramsey.[/quote]

I think you are really overestimating our talent at WR.

Moss had one great year in 2005. Randle El has shown some flashes but Lloyd?? C'mon, enough with people riding his worthless jock.

I think we may need to look long and hard at our WR group next offseason. I'm really starting to lose my faith in Moss as a true #1 WR.

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First of all, let me just say that all this "Campbell is our savior" talk was ridiculous to begin with. But if you're going to go that way, at least give the guy enough time to prove what kind of QB he's going to be. The kid hasn't even played 16 NFL games yet.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;370383]I think you are really overestimating our talent at WR.

Moss had one great year in 2005. Randle El has shown some flashes but Lloyd?? C'mon, enough with people riding his worthless jock.

I think we may need to look long and hard at our WR group next offseason. I'm really starting to lose my faith in Moss as a true #1 WR.[/QUOTE]

I am agreeing with this more and more every week. I think every one of us over valued our WR's.

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[quote=jsarno;370389]I am agreeing with this more and more every week. I think every one of us over valued our WR's.[/quote]

I believe ARE was undervalued relative to what we paid him. I think we're getting our money's worth out of that guy. Moss has checked out with Portis.

Lloyd was damaged goods from Day 1 and that hasn't changed.

People give Jason all this crap for always targeting Cooley, but there's a reason he looks there first.

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[quote=dgack;370396]I believe ARE was undervalued relative to what we paid him. I think we're getting our money's worth out of that guy. Moss has checked out with Portis.

Lloyd was damaged goods from Day 1 and that hasn't changed.

People give Jason all this crap for always targeting Cooley, but there's a reason he looks there first.[/quote]

Lloyd is just a bad teammate. Randel El and Moss are solid, but their little guys and aren't TD threats without a deep ball. We really need a big target ala Art Monk to go with our speed burners. Cooley is good but we need a WR-TD threat in the end zone for jump balls, someone to go over the middle and manhandle CBs and good hands. These WRs are hard to come by, but McCardell 5 years ago is a good example.....

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yeah bellichick ran up the score. going for it on 4th down when he's got a huge lead already... i hope somebody kills that fucker.

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[quote=chris66;370111]Its not Belichicks fault your team sucks. All I heard all week was how great this defense was and how the corners were going to shut down the pats offense[/quote]


LOL I could not agree with you more. I heard it all week long to0. Especially when I gave my score prediction of 42-3. I said I was being generous. I think I deserve an apology. How bout it skins you wanna show some class LMAO:lol::lol:. Or you could just never ever blast me for my prediction again.

52-0 oops I mean 7(was the third sting defense in at this point):spank:

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Hey hey hey enough, I agree we had a helliacious game but that by no means means that we are a bad team. In fact I still think we are a strong team with some unfortunate injuries that we need to overcome on our offensive line, and so many mistakes made in loud Foxboro.

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The skins are not 100% a bad team just on Oct 28 2007 they were. Skins just have to move on after this anal rape. I don't know what all you fans are upset about? Its gonna happen to every team they play.... well maybe not this bad but everyone will occur a loss by NE.

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The underneath passes for 5 yards that the ripped off for 25 yards is what killed us. They figured out our weakness and we changed nothing to stop it

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I'm sorry but can someone help explain to me why our defense didn't show up. I know Rogers got hurt but that doesn't explain the same game plan we had for the last 6 games, it doesn't explain why the corners did play any pressure defense or why they gave their receivers 10+ yards cushing. Also, why is that the Patriots ran some of the same plays out in the flat and across the middle and we made no adjustments? And you are telling me that our receivers couldn't get open until the last 3 minutes of the game when we march down the field to score. I'm not a conspiracy person but it seems that the NFL got what they wanted and that was a Patriots/Colts undefeated matchup next week. Please help me understand? Or am I over analyzing.

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[quote=rtsp94;370508]I'm sorry but can someone help explain to me why our defense didn't show up. I know Rogers got hurt but that doesn't explain the same game plan we had for the last 6 games, it doesn't explain why the corners did play any pressure defense or why they gave their receivers 10+ yards cushing. Also, why is that the Patriots ran some of the same plays out in the flat and across the middle and we made no adjustments? And you are telling me that our receivers couldn't get open until the last 3 minutes of the game when we march down the field to score. I'm not a conspiracy person but it seems that the NFL got what they wanted and that was a Patriots/Colts undefeated matchup next week. Please help me understand? Or am I over analyzing.[/quote]

We played the Patriots who are destroying everyone... what were you expecting?

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I was expecting an effort. I guest that's just asking too much.

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new england is gonna beat the shit out of everybody they play this season,i doubt that the nfc probowl contingent could beat them.after 6 games this year,i am convinced that the portis experiment is a failure.i would love to see the coaches bench his ass and start betts
because betts is the better back in the redskins system.i do'nt know wtf moss's problem is.
he used to catch everything,now he can't catch anything.as for running up the score,this is the nfl,not pop warner league.besides,i'd be pissed if i paid 100 bucks for a ticket and saw the 3rd string players the second half.

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I dont think you can single anyone out on our roster that should shoulder any of the blame. The oline sucked, receivers, running backs, QB the defensive side of the ball, coaching staff, everyone sucked. We have to pick up the pieces and move forward to the Jets game. I have said from the beginning of the year I dont understand the defensive game plan. It worked against everyone else, primarily because they have zero run game. We can not sit back in that zone and let QB's pick us apart. Warner started attacking the middle of the field late the previous week and Brady picked us apart over the middle of the field. We have to start putting pressure on good QB's or they are going to kill us. Detroit and GB have no running game and very avg olines which allows us to pressure with the front 4 and sit back. Teams like NE, Dallas, Giants have good OLINES, decent running games will eat us up. I have not been a big fan of this D. And I am not just jumping on them because of 1 game, I have felt this way all year.

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[quote=rtsp94;370524]I was expecting an effort. I guest that's just asking too much.[/quote]

I think there was effort, but we got steamrolled just like everyone else has that's played NE so far this year. Or has everyone else they've played just not put in any effort either?

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[quote=Mattyk72;370557]I think there was effort, but we got steamrolled just like everyone else has that's played NE so far this year. Or has everyone else they've played just not put in any effort either?[/quote]

I agree the effort was there. What surprised me most was how the Redskins defense let the Pats run right through them at the beginning to set the tone for the game. The D will be back. I hope Campbell can shrug off the offense's dismal performance.