Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

FYI, I don't agree with the regression part, just the concerned about the offense not punching it in.

Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

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OMFG. are u serious? [I][B]that man Zorn[/B][/I] is [I][B]our[/B][/I] [I][B]head coach[/B][/I] and you say this like he's our preacher. get a grip and try to check stats first before you criticize campbell or zorn for that matter. Geez it's like talking to a cowboys fan. as ice cube would say, u betta check yo' self before u wreck yo' self[/quote]

Dude.. I was being funny about Zorn... Someone had one too many beers.

Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

[quote=saden1;494456]FYI, I don't agree with the regression part, just the concerned about the offense not punching it in.[/quote]

I think we actually have fewer points scored at this point now than we did at the same point last year

Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

[quote=skinsfan_nn;494370]JC is not regressing at all. The o-line didn't help matters out much today for the QB. But JC is playing great!

Most of JC passes where spot on! Keep up the great work. The o-line has to step it up, in particular JC's blind side (Left tackle fill in Heyer) was the weak link and the penalties did not help.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]First of all I said "[B]a small part of me[/B] is afraid he is regressing [B]a bit[/B]" and second - he fumbled and didn't throw the ball away which concerns me. He isn't good at protecting the ball in those situations which reminded me of last year. Third - I said [B]he [FONT=Verdana]didn't do poorly[/FONT][/B], but I was concerned about the Steelers games because [B]our offense[/B] wasn't getting the job done like it should have against the Lions. Stats say one thing, but if you watched that game our O did NOT do it's best. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]JC IS part of the offense last time I checked. I tell it like I see it, too bad you all don't like it. [/FONT][/COLOR]

Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

[quote=redwarrior111;494452]How about that Santana Moss!!??

He gave me quite a first show. I don't regret my decision to go skins at all. Moss rushing up the line like he was playing basketball, Cooley's do or die short plays, Portis just wearing everyone out! lol, I had a blast!

Don't worry. I won't be fair weather. Look at the Redsox fans in baseball. Seems to me being a fan during the bad times makes it all the more sweet when your victorious later.[/quote]

Moss is my man. I loved seeing him all day long!!

Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

[quote=hesscl34;494474][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]First of all I said he "[B][FONT=Verdana]might[/FONT][/B] be regressing a bit" and second - he fumbled and didn't throw the ball away which concerns me. He isn't good at protecting the ball in those situations which reminded me of last year. Third - I said he [B][FONT=Verdana]didn't do poorly[/FONT][/B], but I was concerned about the Steelers games because [B]our offense[/B] wasn't getting the job done like it should have against the Lions. Stats say one thing, but if you watched that game our O did NOT do it's best. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]JC IS part of the offense last time I checked. I tell it like I see it, too bad you all don't like it. [/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

Sorry we're not seeing what you are as you seem to be the only one. But the numbers don't lie, outside of the fumbles he was outstanding throwing the ball. He was 23 of 28 (82.1%) for 328 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT for a rating of 127.4.

I'm failing to see any regression there at all.

What wide open receivers did he miss anyway?

Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

[quote=Mattyk72;494477]Sorry we're not seeing what you are as you seem to be the only one. But the numbers don't lie, outside of the fumbles he was outstanding throwing the ball. He was 23 of 28 (82.1%) for 328 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT for a rating of 127.4.

I'm failing to see any regression there at all.

What wide open receivers did he miss anyway?[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]He missed Cooley twice when trying to hit Santana (but didn't and got sacked). I'm not going to sit here and argue with you because you won't ever agree with me, and I really don't care if "most" of you don't agree. Stats don't say it all, and I want the offense to step it up and make more than one TD in a game against a team that they should've had five. From what I saw in Dallas and Philly.. yes, I would say they [B][FONT=Verdana]might[/FONT][/B] be regressing [B][FONT=Verdana]a bit[/FONT][/B] and I'm concerned now that we are heading into November. If we beat the Steelers (in good fashion) then I'll feel a whole lot better. Oh, and Jansen needs to quit it with the penalties. He's part of the issue.[/FONT][/COLOR]

Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

So are we talking about JC regressing or the offense? You're starting to blur one discussion into another.

Either way I don't see it. This has been the story of this season, the Skins pile up the yards and dominate in most statistical categories, but they don't pile up the points. What has changed exactly?

Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

[quote=Mattyk72;494495]So are we talking about JC regressing or the offense? You're starting to blur one discussion into another.

Either way I don't see it. This has been the story of this season, the Skins pile up the yards and dominate in most statistical categories, but they don't pile up the points. What has changed exactly?[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Like I said, JC is PART of the offense, last time I checked. If you think we are going to win against teams like the Steelers, Dallas and Philly going forward with one TD, you are in for a shock.[/FONT][/COLOR]
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Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

Yeah, there are 10 other guys that are also part of the offense too. I just don't see why JC is getting singled out coming off his best game of the year, but whatever.

Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

[quote=hesscl34;494500][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Like I said, JC is PART of the offense, last time I checked. If you think we are going to win against teams like the Steelers, Dallas and Philly going forward with one TD, you are in for a shock.[/FONT][/COLOR]
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Well, we already beat Dallas with a healthy Romo and backfield in their house, and scored more than one TD in the process. We also beat Philly in their house and scored more than one TD. Yeah, we haven't won pretty. But to get after JC for his performance yesterday is super nit picky. His fumbles were due to awful pass blocking by Heyer, and aside from that he was amazing. How can you harp on a few incompletions when he was 23-28? Does he have to be perfect?

And your earlier comment about Jansen's penalties- the 15 yard facemask he was called for was awful. He barely grazed the dude's facemask. If the 5 yard variety still existed he still shouldn't have been flagged.

Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

[quote=Mattyk72;494504]Yeah, there are 10 other guys that are also part of the offense too. I just don't see why JC is getting singled out coming off his best game of the year, but whatever.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]You read my post and all you see is "JC".. but I am talking about the offense as a whole, and saying that JC's issue with protecting the football is part of it. You can't handle even an ounce of criticism when it comes to him. Whatever is right.[/FONT][/COLOR]
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Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

[quote=GMScud;494508]Well, we already beat Dallas with a healthy QB and backfield in their house, and scored more than one TD in the process. We also beat Philly in their house and scored more than one TD. Yeah, we haven't won pretty. But to get after JC for his performance yesterday is super nit picky. His fumbles were due to awful pass blocking by Heyer, and aside from that he was amazing. How can you harp on a few incompletions when he was 23-28? Does he have to be perfect?

And your earlier comment about Jansen's penalties- the 15 yard facemask he was called for was awful. He barely grazed the dude's facemask. If the 5 yard variety still existed he still shouldn't have been flagged.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]There is no harping.. and there is no "getting on him". Read my post again and get over it. WAY TOO SENSATIVE.[/FONT][/COLOR]
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Jansen had three penalties.

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[quote=hesscl34;494509][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]You read my post and all you see is "JC".. but I am talking about the offense as a whole, and saying that JC's issue with protecting the football is part of it. You can't handle even an ounce of criticism when it comes to him. Whatever is right.[/FONT][/COLOR]
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Do you even realize what you posted??

[quote]I'm still concerned about our offense. We are not showing enough and we should have beaten these guys hands down. We did not do that. I hate to say it but a small part of me is afraid JC is regressing a bit. He missed some wide open receivers today and didn’t throw the ball away at critical times. I’m not saying he did poorly, I’m just saying I’m concerned knowing we are playing the Steelers on Monday.
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You mention concern about the offense, and then you proceed to talk only about Campbell and this dumb crap about him regressing.

Gee, why would I get the impression that you're focusing on Campbell?

Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

He had one, ONE, bad throw all game. He didn't miss "wide open receivers" at any point. At all. In any way. None. That doesn't make sense. What game were you watching?

As far as throwing it away. When should this have happened? Maybe next game before the play he'll work it out with the o-line when exactly they are going to crap the bed and let him get bull-rushed at 100mph. That way he can just take the snap and throw the ball into the stands immediately.

Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

[quote=hesscl34;494510][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]There is no harping.. and there is no "getting on him". Read my post again and get over it. WAY TOO SENSATIVE.[/FONT][/COLOR]

Jansen had three penalties.[/quote]

[I]"....(I'm) afraid JC is regressing a bit. He missed some open receivers and didn't throw the ball away at critical times"[/I]

Sure, that's not nit picking when he throws for over 300 yards with no picks and a QB rating near 130....

I'm not being "TOO SENSITIVE," I just think this was one of Jason's finest games as pro. The word "regression" is just flat out wrong. Sorry.

I'm not saying Jansen is mistake free, just saying that face mask was a shit call.

Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

[quote=Mattyk72;494513]Do you even realize what you posted??



You mention concern about the offense, and then you proceed to talk only about Campbell and this dumb crap about him regressing.

Gee, why would I get the impression that you're focusing on Campbell?[/quote]

[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I realize that you cannot stand to be wrong and can't accept even an ounce of thought that [B][FONT=Verdana]might[/FONT][/B] suggest that our O (which includes JC) didn't get it's job done as it should have on Sunday. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I really don't care if you think regression was the wrong word or not. You are misrepresenting what I was trying to say by making it sound like I was stating a fact and attacking JC. That's why it's a WASTE OF TIME talking to you.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

[quote=GMScud;494521][I]"....(I'm) afraid JC is regressing a bit. He missed some open receivers and didn't throw the ball away at critical times"[/I]

Sure, that's not nit picking when he throws for over 300 yards with no picks and a QB rating near 130....

I'm not being "TOO SENSITIVE," I just think this was one of Jason's finest games as pro. The word "regression" is just flat out wrong. Sorry.

I'm not saying Jansen is mistake free, just saying that face mask was a shit call.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]More misrepresentation. I said "[B][FONT=Verdana]a small part of me is afraid" "regressing a bit" [/FONT][/B][/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][B][FONT=Verdana][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][B]You guys just love to bitch and bicker... If I didn't know better I'd think you were the woman.[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR]

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Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

I have no problem admitting I'm wrong, I've done it plenty of times here if you've paid any attention.

If your beef isn't only with Campbell then say so. Say what you mean for crying out loud. I'm not the only one here "misinterpreting" what you're saying. Again I'll point out you said you had concerns with the offense, and then you went on to single out Campbell. If you have concerns about the offense fine, but let's hear a little more than just gripes about Campbell. It just sounds petty when he's coming off such a good performance.

Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

I agree the offense should score more, but I don't think any of that blame should fall on JC's shoulders from yesterday's game. His fumbles were due to backside pressure from Heyer's crap blocking, the penalties were not committed by JC, he completed an absurd 82% of his passes, and was once again INT free.

Yes, we need more points - see my user title. No, Jason is not regressing.

Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

[quote=Mattyk72;494543]I have no problem admitting I'm wrong, I've done it plenty of times here if you've paid any attention.

If your beef isn't only with Campbell then say so. Say what you mean for crying out loud. I'm not the only one here "misinterpreting" what you're saying. Again I'll point out you said you had concerns with the offense, and then you went on to single out Campbell. If you have concerns about the offense fine, but let's hear a little more than just gripes about Campbell. It just sounds petty when he's coming off such a good performance.[/quote]

READ IT AGAIN....and try this time to read the "bit" and "small" part (rolling my eyes). Quit your bitch'en for crying out loud.

Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

[quote=hesscl34;494542][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]More misrepresentation. I said "[B][FONT=Verdana]a small part of me is afraid" "regressing a bit" [/FONT][/B][/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][B][FONT=Verdana][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][B]You guys just love to bitch and bicker... If I didn't know better I'd think you were the woman.[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]

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Umm, I put "regressing a bit" in quotes. I suppose quoting your exact words is misrepresentation? Boy oh boy, you're so defensive Greg Blache may have a few personnel packages for you.

And if you want to start throwing insutls around, let me just say it's pretty obvious who the woman is on this thread.

Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

For me it is very hard to judge how good the Skins really are. Yes they did beat Dallas, but at the time I think Dallas was reading all the headlines and was full of themselves and were prime for a loss. And look at what has happened to them since. Philly had Westbrook get injured and without him they are a very average team. The past 3 games I don't think we played well at all. If Anderson wasn't playing so bad, Cleveland could have easily beat us. And Detroit also could have won. If we are as good as some people believe, we should have blown out at least one of these teams which we didn't.

Hopefully we also have had a letdown and not taking the past 3 games that serious since they were considered the easy part of the schedule. But if that is not the case, then I think the second half of the season we have a very tough schedule and it could be a long season.

Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

[quote=GMScud;494550]Umm, I put "regressing a bit" in quotes. I suppose quoting your exact words is misrepresentation? Boy oh boy, you're so defensive Greg Blache may have a few personnel packages for you.

And if you want to start throwing insutls around, let me just say it's pretty obvious who the woman is on this thread.[/quote]

Ah! .... some things never change.

Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

[quote=hesscl34;494553]Ah! .... some things never change.[/quote]

Like you throwing an insult out? Please. I suppose I'M the jerk for responding, right? :doh:

Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

[quote=GMScud;494555]Like you throwing an insult out? Please. I suppose I'M the jerk for responding, right? :doh:[/quote]

Insults around here are like the sun rising. You can count on them every day. You're a jerk for your choice of words.

Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

Crazy fact. Gus Frerotte is the only QB the Lions have faced this year who didn't set his career high passer rating against them this season.

Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

[quote=hesscl34;494474][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][B]First of all I said "a small part of me is afraid he is regressing a bit" and second - he fumbled and didn't throw the ball away which concerns me. He isn't good at protecting the ball in those situations which reminded me of last year. [/B]Third - I said [B]he [FONT=Verdana]didn't do poorly[/FONT][/B], but I was concerned about the Steelers games because [B]our offense[/B] wasn't getting the job done like it should have against the Lions. Stats say one thing, but if you watched that game our O did NOT do it's best. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]JC IS part of the offense last time I checked. I tell it like I see it, too bad you all don't like it. [/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

Every QB makes mistakes during a game. Look around the league. The very best guys make mistakes. Whether it's holding the ball too long, throwing an INT or fumbleling, every single QB will make a mistake. These guys are not machines. The key is if you can have a guy who makes more plays than mistakes. Tony Romo turns the ball over every single game he plays in. But his playmaking makes up for his mistakes. Get it??

Look at the close games we've won. If JC was throwing INT's we lose a game here or there. To have no INT's through 8 games is un heard of at any level of football. But at the pro level it's just shocking. So if you really understood football, you'd realize your comments make no sense. JC is making a lot more plays than he is making turnovers. Look at the 3rd and 20 something he converts at the end of the half. Just drilled a great ball to Thrash. That drive got us 3 points. Or the TD pass he threw to Moss where he side steped an unblocked blitzer, re set his feet and hit Moss on a perfect pass. If you looked at the positives instead of one or two neagatives, you'd get the total picture. But for some reason you can't do that.

Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

Ok, let's see if we can calm the waters here.

Hess, let's not kid ourselves you have been very critical of both Campbell and Rogers for a while now. I've seen though that you're coming around on Rogers. I don't see it yet with Campbell. I was frustrated too with the fumbles and the overall lack of discipline with the offense in key moments.

But we don't win that game without Campbell yesterday. He made some huge throws, he commanded the respect of the defense allowing Portis to get some huge gains. And that's not a one game fluke. He's been doing this consistenly all season.

So please specify for us what you saw, beyond the fumbles, that concern you.

Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

[quote=hesscl34;494549]READ IT AGAIN....and try this time to read the "bit" and "small" part (rolling my eyes). Quit your bitch'en for crying out loud.[/quote]

lol ok

This is getting pretty funny now.

Funny in a batshit crazy way, but still...

Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

[quote=skinsfan69;494559]Every QB makes mistakes during a game. Look around the league. The very best guys make mistakes. Whether it's holding the ball too long, throwing an INT or fumbleling, every single QB will make a mistake. These guys are not machines. The key is if you can have a guy who makes more plays than mistakes. Tony Romo turns the ball over every single game he plays in. But his playmaking makes up for his mistakes. Get it??

Look at the close games we've won. If JC was throwing INT's we lose a game here or there. To have no INT's through 8 games is un heard of at any level of football. But at the pro level it's just shocking. So if you really understood football, you'd realize your comments make no sense. JC is making a lot more plays than he is making turnovers. Look at the 3rd and 20 something he converts at the end of the half. Just drilled a great ball to Thrash. That drive got us 3 points. Or the TD pass he threw to Moss where he side steped an unblocked blitzer, re set his feet and hit Moss on a perfect pass. If you looked at the positives instead of one or two neagatives, you'd get the total picture. But for some reason you can't do that.[/quote]

No, I'm looking at the WHOLE picture, and that includes an offense that problems scoring TDs. JC was a (again I'll say) [B]SMALL [/B]part of that problem yesterday. I just want them to fix it before November. SCORE when you get in the redzone already.

Do me a favor and stop suggesting I know "nothing" about football. That is a complete joke.

Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

[quote=SmootSmack;494560]Ok, let's see if we can calm the waters here.

Hess, let's not kid ourselves you have been very critical of both Campbell and Rogers for a while now. I've seen though that you're coming around on Rogers. I don't see it yet with Campbell. I was frustrated too with the fumbles and the overall lack of discipline with the offense in key moments.

But we don't win that game without Campbell yesterday. He made some huge throws, he commanded the respect of the defense allowing Portis to get some huge gains. And that's not a one game fluke. He's been doing this consistenly all season.

So please specify for us what you saw, beyond the fumbles, that concern you.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Already did specify and considering I said "[B][FONT=Verdana]a small part of me[/FONT][/B]" is concerned, I don't think there is much more to specify. I also said that JC [B][FONT=Verdana]didn't do poorly[/FONT][/B] but I was concerned with the offense. You guys just want to take what I say and make it into this huge JC bash fest because you love to pick fights. And you are wrong, I have been very complimentary about JC these last few weeks. Feel free to check my threads on that. [/FONT][/COLOR]

Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

This is dumb. I'm gonna go spend some time being a "jerk" elsewhere.....

Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

hesscl34 you should stop digging and chill.

I think what everyone is concerned about is this team not punching the ball in and beating on a team like the Lions with vengeance. The only regression I saw was is in the penalty department. That killed this team in the first half. As for JC missing wide open receivers that's possible even with his 82% completion day. It is also possible the ball wasn't intended for those wide open receivers. All in all this team needs to play better, I want a SB trophy not a playoff appearance. They played good but definitely not great vs the Lions.

Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

[quote=Mattyk72;494561]lol ok

[B] This is getting pretty funny now.[/B]

Funny in a batshit crazy way, but still...[/quote]

This is very true. Being we are coming off a winning performance! For cryin out loud if we would have lost, the world would have become flat!

Lets not loss sight we WON the damn game without our best performance. But certain individuals on the team had an outstanding game (i.e, JC, CP,MOSS,COOLEY,FLETCH, etc)....ITS A HAPPY MONDAY FOR REDSKIN NATION, bottom line 6-2 pretty damn good at the half way point!

Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

[quote=skinsfan_nn;494335]Deion's an idiot! but....

DEION LAUNCHES THE IRONIC NICKNAME CLUB
Posted by Mike Florio on October 26, 2008, 7:54 p.m.

So we’re watching this weekend the highlight show on NFL Network. And Rich Eisen is narrating clips from the Redskins-Lions game (which was played in windy Ford Field).

And Eisen mentions Redskins running back Shaun Alexander, the 2005 NFL MVP. And then Deion Sanders barks out his pet name for Alexander.

Deion calls Alexander the “Tiptoe Burglar.”

It’s funny. And it’s arguably right on the money.

But Deion is the last guy who should be poking fun at anyone for being averse to physical contact.

In Deion’s world, “run support” means possible procedures for controlling diarrhea.[/quote]

Very true. But Deoin will be in the Hall of Fame and Alexander wont..But like a lot of people said. I rather have a former MVP than a young guy like Mason who has upside and isn't declining (who can learn the offense).

The tip-toe burglar sucks!!

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[quote=hesscl34;494570][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Already did specify and considering I said "[B][FONT=Verdana]a small part of me[/FONT][/B]" is concerned, I don't think there is much more to specify. I also said that JC [B][FONT=Verdana]didn't do poorly[/FONT][/B] but I was concerned with the offense. You guys just want to take what I say and make it into this huge JC bash fest because you love to pick fights. And you are wrong, I have been very complimentary about JC these last few weeks. Feel free to check my threads on that. [/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

You could have just said, "Actually, I have commended Campbell in recent weeks, and here are some posts to back that up" And then posted some links to posts you have.

As for your other concerns, I guess I just missed them. Other than your comments on Jansen

Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

Wow. Did we win yesterday? It seems like we lost. There's room to criticize the team, but what's up with all of the bickering?

May I suggest watching and singing along with the following:

[YT]loWrI1FneSM[/YT]

Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

That's great :lol:

When I get home from the watching the game I love to READ thru the Game thread! The end of this one def got out of control. LOL

COME ON BOYS! ITS ON TO THE STEELERS!

Re: Redskins vs. Lions Gameday thread
 

[quote=SmootSmack;494644]You could have just said, "Actually, I have commended Campbell in recent weeks, and here are some posts to back that up" And then posted some links to posts you have.

As for your other concerns, I guess I just missed them. Other than your comments on Jansen[/quote]

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