Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

I think it needs to be said that this was a much closer and better performance than the 2 meetings last year.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=wilsowilso;588148]What's a D fan?[/quote]
Edit just saw. Did not look at who posted that and sorry. Ment G fan.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

No problems with the Oline today. Lots of defensive players had good games.

The skill players on offense pulled another disappearing act.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=mooby;588137]You know there was too much stuff that went wrong to pinpoint one area as the thing that killed us today. We had no business being there in the end down by a touchdown. And it's amazing how we play all lackadaisical up until there's like 3 minutes left in the fourth and we're down by 2 td's. It's like we have to wait all game just for the light to suddenly turn on when it's too late to come back. I'm just gonna put this one down as a fail all around.

Personally I want to know wth happened to all that supposed "progress" we made in the preseason. Campbell didn't play anything like he did during the final two preseason games, once again our young guys (Davis, Thomas and Kelly) didn't show up, and so far DeAngelo Hall looks overmatched and definitely not worth that 56 mil contract out there.[/quote]

Heres one also where was mitchell. And why did kelly not play morethan he did? Well unless kelly was hurt and the same with mitchell, then again another stupid game coached by some one who has no idea of what to do or how to coach a nfl game. Also the oline still sucks and will continue to suck till they draft good players.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=TheSmurfs22;588088]I thought we played a rather vanilla game esp on offense but it is one game and we were playing one of the best in the league. No need to hit the panic button or demand anyone's heads yet.[/quote]


Agree 100% but i'm still upset very mad our defense needs to be better & our offense needs to hold on to the ball.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=itvnetop;588135]So you're saying Campbell was getting pulverized then? And yes, you can still get dirty on astroturf.

You're looking for holes in the wrong places.[/quote]

BTW, how does one get a dirty jersey on astro turf when there's no dirt?

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

Does Zorn even know how to use the talent he has? What little it may be.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

i think the online played decent, the int was santana's fault. the fumble jason had for a TD was his fault he needs to step up in the pocket. also jason checking to a run on 3rd and 8 with 8 men in the box was horrible. i know it week one and we lost to a good team, but if u want to be a good team u must beat them.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Game day thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=irish;588159]BTW, how does one get a dirty jersey on astro turf when there's no dirt?[/quote]
He had plenty of time the whole game. They are the best line in football. He was sacked twice, including the fumble for a touchdown. He should never have held the ball that long. The d was not as good, but take away the fumble for a touchdown and we win. The D only gave up 17 points. JC did not make plays when he had to. Same old offense, no matter who the offensive coordinator.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

Zorn has to call quick-hit plays when you play a D-line like the Gmen have

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

Was Horton benched?

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

I'm very disappointed but most of the problems came from an amazing D-line the giants have it was in there place and a couple plays go different and we coulda squeked it out. The effort on the 30 yard Td was just pathetic I mean tackle somebody, they try to take the easy way out and push out of bounds. 14 points that should'nt have happened if you include the fumble. I like what we're seeing from Fat Al we just gotta have better offense.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

I have to come back to the El reverse called on the second offensive play. Why? And no effort to get Kelly or Thomas in the game except that reverse which they ran against the Giants last year. Then, he went into his play calling shell. He needs to mix the two minute plays with the beginning of the game plays because its not working.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

Ughh...

The offense was ok at times. JC played well on about 70% of the plays. On the other 40% he looked tight to me. There were spots where you could see a decent offense.

Our defense concerns me way more. True they tightened up a good deal in the redzone but we got schooled. Our line got basically no pressure from the front four alone. Wasn't ALbert brought here to create that? What the hell happened to anyone else being able to handle their blocker one-on-one? More concerning though was what looked to be an inability to adequately cover their shit WRs. I know Manning had a little more time than we'd like but plain and simple they had guys wide open a lot. Whether that is play or scheme I couldn't tell but I am betting it is a little of both. Our defense didn't look out of sync. It looked downright ordinary. That is bad news.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=70Chip;588212]I have to come back to the El reverse called on the second offensive play. Why? And no effort to get Kelly or Thomas in the game except that reverse which they ran against the Giants last year. Then, he went into his play calling shell. He needs to mix the two minute plays with the beginning of the game plays because its not working.[/quote]


I totally agree...Portis just opened with a huge run...and then they resort to some sort of trick play? on the SECOND O PLAY of the game? what is up with that? terrible call....run it again, keep it simple....we should have got 3 points out of that drive at least....

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=FRPLG;588219]Ughh...

The offense was ok at times. [B]JC played well on about 70% of the plays. On the other 40% he looked tight to me[/B]. There were spots where you could see a decent offense.

Our defense concerns me way more. True they tightened up a good deal in the redzone but we got schooled. [B]Our line got basically no pressure from the front four alone. Wasn't ALbert brought here to create that?[/B] What the hell happened to anyone else being able to handle their blocker one-on-one? More concerning though was what looked to be an inability to adequately cover their shit WRs. I know Manning had a little more time than we'd like but plain and simple they had guys wide open a lot. Whether that is play or scheme I couldn't tell but I am betting it is a little of both. Our defense didn't look out of sync. It looked downright ordinary. That is bad news.[/quote]
1.) I don't think your math adds up.
2.) I thought our dline did alright considering the Giants have one of the best offensive lines in the league.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=FRPLG;588219]Ughh...

The offense was ok at times. JC played well on about 70% of the plays. On the other 40% he looked tight to me. There were spots where you could see a decent offense.

Our defense concerns me way more. True they tightened up a good deal in the redzone but we got schooled. Our line got basically no pressure from the front four alone. Wasn't ALbert brought here to create that? What the hell happened to anyone else being able to handle their blocker one-on-one? More concerning though was what looked to be an inability to adequately cover their shit WRs. I know Manning had a little more time than we'd like but plain and simple they had guys wide open a lot. Whether that is play or scheme I couldn't tell but I am betting it is a little of both. Our defense didn't look out of sync. It looked downright ordinary. That is bad news.[/quote]

I agree about the defense needing more pressure on the QB, but Haynesworth got some really good push several times, including the 4th and 1 stop on Jacobs down by the goal line. Without him they score a TD on that drive.

Keep in mind the Giants have arguably the best O-line in the game. I know you have to beat the best to be the best, but still. Lets see how the D-line/pass rush looks the next 5 weeks when we play lesser teams than the Giants.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=GMScud;588262]I agree about the defense needing more pressure on the QB,[B] but Haynesworth got some really good push several times, including the 4th and 1 stop on Jacobs down by the goal line[/B]. Without him they score a TD on that drive.

Keep in mind the Giants have arguably the best O-line in the game. I know you have to beat the best to be the best, but still. Lets see how the D-line/pass rush looks the next 5 weeks when we play lesser teams than the Giants.[/quote]

Big Al did a good job. Speaking of the D....How about FLETCH blowing Jacobs UP! I'm sure #30 loved that smack down! Highlight material!

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=skinsfan_nn;588271]Big Al did a good job. Speaking of the D....How about FLETCH blowing Jacobs UP! I'm sure #30 loved that smack down! Highlight material![/quote]

I just saw on Comcast that Fletcher had 18 tackles?? Is that a typo? What a stud that guy is.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=DynamiteRave;588078]We didn't stick around? We made a slight comeback with less than 2 minutes left? That was like a desperation TD. The NFC East is always tough conference. The only way you set the marker as a good team is when you're able to beat other elite teams (or at least give them a run for their money). At no point in time were the Giants worried --Oh they might come back-- The fact that we STILL can't keep up with these good teams is a glaring fact that we are still doing something terribly wrong.[/quote]

The pass to Cooley was a garbage time TD.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=GMScud;588277]I just saw on Comcast that Fletcher had 18 tackles?? Is that a typo? What a stud that guy is.[/quote]

No typo, he played a hell of a game! Wish the rest of the D would have played as well as FLETCH.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=kjahorski;588238]I totally agree...Portis just opened with a huge run...and then they resort to some sort of trick play? on the SECOND O PLAY of the game? what is up with that? terrible call....run it again, keep it simple....we should have got 3 points out of that drive at least....[/quote]

And if there were two plays the Giants staff made them watch repeatedly it must have been the El reverse pass to Cooley for a TD against Philly and Thomas' reverse for a TD against them. At least wait until the 3rd quarter when everyone is caught up in the flow of the game. If you bust off a big run, call it again just to see what happens, That gives you time to decide on your attack play.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

Also Randle El should have thrown that to Row R. He's supposed to be the 3rd QB.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=GMScud;588277]I just saw on Comcast that Fletcher had 18 tackles?? Is that a typo? What a stud that guy is.[/quote]

Its almost highway robbery that he hasn't made it to a probowl..

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=70Chip;588288]Also Randle El should have thrown that to Row R. He's supposed to be the 3rd QB.[/quote]

:rofl:

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

You can't win with Randle-El as your leading receiver. Where the hell were the plays to Kelly? At least a screen? In the pre-season, he caught a screen pass and stiff-armed his way to a first down. He's the only guy we have on the team that can do that. Why not run that play at least once? Against their second string corners? I just don't get it. A run on third and 8... 3 runs when were backed up against their own end zone. Just pathetic.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

look, we lost to a really good opponent and its the first game of the season. Yes we played dumb and awfully stupid at times (Campbell throwing a pick 3 yards past the line of scrimmage...DeAngelo Hall playing 20 yards from the line of scrimmage the whole game), but like I said it's the first game and a great opponent AT their place. Next week we play St. Louis who played just like they did last year. IF we lose to them then you all better hit the panick button and start listening to all the analysts saying that we're gonna suck this season. Also I feel that Moss wasn't running as hard as he could. He better forget this game and be ready to play next week. Cooley played great and looked better than witten did today. But he also didn't block someone and got an earful from Zorn. Zorn himself called some STUPID plays (three straight run plays from the giants 10 yard line...and a run on 3 & 8 after we called a timeout, and no plays towards Kelly or a screen to portis...running a trick play the second play of the game and not having randel el throw it away), but Zorn will rebound next week I'm sure to. Haynesworth plays his ass off every play and will eventually sack Eli as will Orakpo. Fletcher is a great MLB and better not get ripped off from the pro bowl voting again.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=44Deezel;588296]You can't win with Randle-El as your leading receiver. Where the hell were the plays to Kelly? At least a screen? In the pre-season, he caught a screen pass and stiff-armed his way to a first down. He's the only guy we have on the team that can do that. Why not run that play at least once? Against their second string corners? I just don't get it. A run on third and 8... 3 runs when were backed up against their own end zone. Just pathetic.[/quote]


Exactly!!! Where was Kelly? Where was Thomas? Where was Fred Davis? Where was Marko Mitchell?..

Too add to that Betts looked horrible. The dropped passes and the horrible running. I am not even going to go there...lol.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

Speaking of El, he looked solid in the slot. Today was a VERY productive receiving day by his standards. I, too, would like to know where Kelly was. Santana's head obviously wasn't in the game, and Zorn mentioned in the presser that the Giants were constantly rolling a safety to his side to take him away.

Cooley and ARE accounted for 16 of JC's 19 completions.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=dmvskinzfan08;588313]Exactly!!! Where was Kelly? Where was Thomas? Where was Fred Davis? [B]Where was Marko Mitchell?..[/B]

Too add to that Betts looked horrible. The dropped passes and the horrible running. I am not even going to go there...lol.[/quote]

exactly if your gonna activate them, then play them.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

o ya and laron landry was going out there today to get revenge on Brandon Jacobs, but I think Fletcher took care of that for him. Stupid penalty by LaRon hitting him way out of bounds.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;588317]exactly if your gonna activate them, then play them.[/quote]


Yeah it makes no sense to hype them up then not use them. We basically used the same plaeyrs we used 2 years ago. Why are we not utilizing these players? Why? I know its the first agme. But did Thomas even get a ball thrown his way. I know Malcom had one catch. if moss can't get his head in the game. He needs to tak ea seat until he does.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=GMScud;588314]Speaking of El, he looked solid in the slot. Today was a VERY productive receiving day by his standards. I, too, would like to know where Kelly was. Santana's head obviously wasn't in the game, and Zorn mentioned in the presser that the Giants were constantly rolling a safety to his side to take him away.

Cooley and ARE accounted for 16 of JC's 19 completions.[/quote]

Something you tend to see from rookie QBs... dump downs to their TE, slot receiver and running backs. BTW, Brodie Croyle - 16-24 for 177 yards, 2 TDs and no INTs against the RAVENS.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=dmvskinzfan08;588320][B]Yeah it makes no sense to hype them up then not use them.[/B] We basically used the same plaeyrs we used 2 years ago. Why are we not utilizing these players? Why? I know its the first agme. But did Thomas even get a ball thrown his way. I know Mitchell had one catch. if moss can't get his head in the game. He needs to tak ea seat until he does.[/quote]

We couldn't get our #1, 2, and 4 receivers involved whatsoever. What makes you think Mitchell could have done anything?

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=GMScud;588324]We couldn't get our #1, 2, and 4 receivers involved whatsoever. What makes you think Mitchell could have done anything?[/quote]
Well he was real good against second stringers, so he should have been real good tonite.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=GMScud;588324]We couldn't get our #1, 2, and 4 receivers involved whatsoever. What makes you think Mitchell could have done anything?[/quote]

Dude I am obviously listing the WRs they weren't involved at all. As far as catching the ball anyways. Which is what they do..lol.

I am just stating that none of our receivers got a chance to do anything. Moss was off his game. ARE and Cooley were the only one catch passes. Is that a good enough clarification?

I was just making a point on how we under utilized our skill players. is that better? Your really nit picking dude. Women do that.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=dmvskinzfan08;588331]Dude I am obviously listing the WRs they weren't involved at all. As far as catching the ball anyways. Which is what they do..lol.

I am just stating that none of our receivers got a chance to do anything. Moss was off his game. ARE and Cooley were the only one catch passes. Is that a good enough clarification?

I was just making a point on how we under utilized our skill players. is that better? Your really nit picking dude. Women do that.[/quote]

Nit picking? You asked where was Marko Mitchell and Fred Davis. Marko is the 5th WR and Fred Davis is the 3rd TE. They were on the bench. Where else do you think they'd be? How is that nitpicking? Go find me some stats from other games today from 5th WRs and 3rd TEs.

Don't call me a woman just b/c your panties are in a bunch over the loss.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=GMScud;588337]Nit picking? You asked where was Marko Mitchell and Fred Davis. Marko is the 5th WR and Fred Davis is the 3rd TE. They are on the bench. Where else do you think they'd be? How is that nitpicking?

Don't call me a woman just b/c your panties are in a bunch over the loss.[/quote]


So since they are 3rd string or the 5th Wr you can't use them? Is that what your saying? I listed all the receivers and skill players dude. Your picking out one of the players and making a comment about it.

If you had said -- Yeah I would like to have seen MM but he probably wasn't going to be in the game because of whatever reason. Fred Davis didn't play for this reason. That's fine. But what you said was if the other receivers couldn't get involved why did I think he would. You answering your own question. But that is not what I was saying.

I will put it simply.

None of our receivers/TEs really caught any passes besides Cooley & ARE. We have all these other younger and more dynamic WRs and a decent TE and we don't use them. At all. Besides Malcom with one catch. We been complaining about taller receivers and more dynamic receivers for years. We have them. We dont use them. Dag dude. Is it that time..lol

Let me stop playing before you get in your feelings..lol

Go find some stats. NO I let you do the nerd work. I mean leg work. Knock yourself out. Because stats are not needed for this convo.

Oh let me find all the stats of teams that have used 5 receivers in a game in the history of the NFL..LMAO

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

Redskin Insider: Huh....I think it was a good hook up at the end of the game when it was over..?

Posted at 9:03 PM ET, 09/13/2009
Campbell-to-Cooley Is Only Offensive TD

Tight end Chris Cooley scored the Redskins' only offensive touchdown on a 17-yard pass from Jason Campbell with 90 seconds remaining in the game. Though the play did little more than change the final score, it is somewhat significant because Cooley scored only one touchdown a year ago, and that came on a pass from receiver Antwaan Randle El.

[B]"I think it was a good hook-up between Jason and I," Cooley said.[/B] "We noticed what coverage they were playing on that drive, and that the middle of the field was open. We felt like we were going to get that play at some point during that drive."

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DeAngelo Hall rates his performance: "I feel like the guy that just couldn't make a play to save my life," he said. Steinberg has the news over at the Bog.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=dmvskinzfan08;588350]So since they are 3rd string or the 5th Wr you can't use them? Is that what your saying? I listed all the receivers and skill players dude. Your picking out one of the players and making a comment about it.

If you had said -- Yeah I would like to have seen MM but he probably wasn't going to be in the game because of whatever reason. Fred Davis didn't play for this reason. That's fine. But what you said was if the other receivers couldn't get involved why did I think he would. You answering your own question. But that is not what I was saying.

I will put it simply.

None of our receivers/TEs really caught any passes besides Cooley & ARE. We have all these other younger and more dynamic WRs and a decent TE and we don't use them. At all. Besides Malcom with one catch. We been complaining about taller receivers and more dynamic receivers for years. We have them. We dont use them. Dag dude. Is it that time..lol

Let me stop playing before you get in your feelings..lol

Go find some stats. NO I let you do the nerd work. I mean leg work. Knock yourself out. Because stats are not needed for this convo.

Oh let me find all the stats of teams that have used 5 receivers in a game in the history of the NFL..LMAO[/quote]

You either can't read or you're drunk. History of the NFL? LYAO at what? Illiteracy? I said "today's games." Thanks for trying though.

Campbell found Kelly several times during the preseason. If he was open I'm pretty sure he would have targeted him more. I suppose you'd prefer to force throws to well covered players just because they're bigger and "more dynamic?" Please.

So if guys at the top of our depth chart can't get open, you think we should just bench them for the likes of our #5 WR? Good thing you're not he coach. Cooley had 7 catches and a TD. So why are you asking for Fred Davis?

You trying to set a record for lol's in a post? LOL.