Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

If someone is depressed enough to the point of being suicidal, that doesn't necessarily mean they are mentally ill.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

John Beck the next Trent Green..

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

He did not throw his pads at the fans, he tossed his jersey and pads to his agent's son as a gift

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;811672]John Beck the next Trent Green..[/quote]

Hey why not? TG came out of nowhere.

Stranger things have happened.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

John Beck jersey.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=Mattyk;811546]Doesn't matter what anyone else thinks right now except for Shanahan, and he thinks Beck looks the part. We'll know soon enough who's right or wrong.[/quote]

Amen to that!

This situation is the mirror image of the Colt Brennan situation. Here the coach wants Beck as the starting QB and some fans think Beck is a stiff. A couple of years ago, the coaches believed that Brennan was nowhere near good enough to play in a real game but some fans thought Brennan would be an All-Pro if only given the chance.

Coaches make decisions with regard to players. That is what they get paid to do...

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;811672]John Beck the next Trent Green..[/quote]

Hopefully in our favor this time though.

Trent Green, Stan Humphries...ugh.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;811672]John Beck the next Trent Green..[/quote]

mentally ill?

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;811674]He did not throw his pads at the fans, he tossed his jersey and pads to his agent's son as a gift[/quote]

That's actually the first time i heard that information. I did not realize thats why he did it. I remember when they made a big deal about it at the time. Had no idea...

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=sportscurmudgeon;811677]Amen to that!

This situation is the mirror image of the Colt Brennan situation. Here the coach wants Beck as the starting QB and some fans think Beck is a stiff. A couple of years ago, the coaches believed that Brennan was nowhere near good enough to play in a real game but some fans thought [B]Brennan would be an All-Pro[I] if only given the chance[/I].[/B]

Coaches make decisions with regard to players. That is what they get paid to do...[/quote]

Brennan would have been an All-Pro!!! He was never given a chance, Brennan was the 2nd coming of P. Ramsey (who also was never given a chance) and the 3rd coming of Johnny U. who got a chance and showed real moxie!!! <sarcasm font off>

Sorry to digress, couldn't resist.

On topic, I don't see Beck being the next Garcia, Plunkett, or T. Green. However, I don't make millions of dollars to make these calls and will, for now, trust in the guys who do. Also, I won't judge Beck right out of the gate, but, if he is sucking it up by game 6 and we have no one to replace him, I may be just a mite peeved.

Shanahan says he has a plan with Beck, fine. Given Beck's prior lack of production, I hope Shanny has a back-up plan as well.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=Mattyk;811675]Hey why not? TG came out of nowhere.

Stranger things have happened.[/quote]


I am serious LOL Just watch, Beck biggest surprise story of 2011

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;811708]Shanahan says he has a plan with Beck, fine. Given Beck's prior lack of production, I hope Shanny has a back-up plan as well.[/quote]He does. It's called retirement.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;811697]That's actually the first time i heard that information. I did not realize thats why he did it. I remember when they made a big deal about it at the time. Had no idea...[/quote]

Everyone, including myself, thought he was just going crazy. But I found out that night that he was tossing it to the son/daughter of some exec or his agent (honestly, i can't remember).

It was reported but buried, people didn't really focus on that part of the story. Wasn't as interesting I suppose

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;811708][B]Brennan would have been an All-Pro!!! He was never given a chance, Brennan was the 2nd coming of P. Ramsey (who also was never given a chance)[/B] and the 3rd coming of Johnny U. who got a chance and showed real moxie!!! <sarcasm font off>

Sorry to digress, couldn't resist.

On topic, I don't see Beck being the next Garcia, Plunkett, or T. Green. However, I don't make millions of dollars to make these calls and will, for now, trust in the guys who do. Also, I won't judge Beck right out of the gate, but, if he is sucking it up by game 6 and we have no one to replace him, I may be just a mite peeved.

Shanahan says he has a plan with Beck, fine. Given Beck's prior lack of production, I hope Shanny has a back-up plan as well.[/quote]

Done any......BBQin' lately.....JR?

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=Paintrain;811644]Reading on SI.com last night and it said Kyle covets Matt Leinart who was in Houston last year in the same system he runs. I'll be ok with Beck, Rex, Leinart going into camp. We aren't spending big money on a FA QB so if that's what we roll with let's make the best of it.[/quote]


Heck, why not? I still believe Leinart has the tools. I'm not upset at all at the fact of seeing Beck as the starter. It is going to be a very interesting 2011!

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=skinsguy;811742]Heck, why not? I still believe Leinart has the tools. I'm not upset at all at the fact of seeing Beck as the starter. It is going to be a very interesting 2011![/quote]

Yeah he's got the tools. For judging a beauty pageant in a hot tub. He has obviously shown in the various places he has been during his NFL tenure that football is obviously not first and foremost on his list of important things. I don't want that on my team.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

Personally I've heard Leinart matured a lot last year, but I also think he got robbed in Arizona. He had a much better preseason than Derek Anderson. There was no reason to let Leinart go and keep DA.

But maybe getting cut was the best thing to happen to Leinart

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

Leinart, Beck, + a UDFA would be a good structure for this season at that position. I understand that Grossman is a basic certainty to be back , but if we're going to have Beck AND Grossman on the roster, I don't see the point of adding another veteran.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;811757]Leinart, Beck, + a UDFA would be a good structure for this season at that position. I understand that Grossman is a basic certainty to be back , but if we're going to have Beck AND Grossman on the roster, I don't see the point of adding another veteran.[/quote]



Leinart, Beck, + a UDFA

Ugh...we would not be helping a fantasy draft in any way.
:doh:

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=Alvin Walton;811759]Leinart, Beck, + a UDFA

Ugh...we would not be helping a fantasy draft in any way.
:doh:[/quote]

outside of carolina this might be the worst qb situation in the league. the team isn't going to be good anyway but i wonder if snyder is going to be patient when this blows up in the shanahans faces.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=Alvin Walton;811759]Leinart, Beck, + a UDFA

Ugh...we would not be helping a fantasy draft in any way.
:doh:[/quote]Snyder has been accused of "building a fantasy football team" in the past, but being honest, those teams wouldn't have won any fantasy league I ever played in.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;811763]outside of carolina this might be the worst qb situation in the league. the team isn't going to be good anyway but i wonder if snyder is going to be patient when this blows up in the shanahans faces.[/quote]Million dollar question. The one that isn't being asked, for some reason.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;811766]Snyder has been accused of "building a fantasy football team" in the past, but being honest, those teams wouldn't have won any fantasy league I ever played in.[/quote]

I'm only 26, but I really only remember two really good Redskins Teams that Snyder put together.

The first team i can think of is when we went to the playoffs in 1999, and the next year was 2005.

One thing I think those two teams had was good QB play that kind of made the whole team play better. I still say Brunell would have had another good year or 2 here if Gibbs had kept the same offense and forgot about bringing in Saunders.

Beck might play good. But it's hard to tell. It seems to me that this is a team that may be lucky to win 7 or 8 games this year. I just hope we see something that tells us we are close to being contenders. Like the Lions last year. I know they had a poor record, but you can look at that team and tell that it is very close to being successful.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

Snyder didn't have anything to do with the 99 team, he took over too late to have an impact. 2000 was his first real season as owner and that's when he went crazy bringing in free agents.

And in 2005 Gibbs was calling the shots.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Sexy Rexy is probably our best bet right now.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

My first instinct is to say we are obviuosly ffff'd at QB.

My second instinct is to say who gives a crap. We have had a clown shoes rotation of medicore QB's for a generation and a half. That hasn't really gotten in the way of Redskins glory has it?

Yeah. Back to the ffff'd at QB we have no chance at all mind frame.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

I don't understand why everyone is up in arms about this while the lockout is still happening. I'm sure I've said this before, but Beck was the only QB under contract that is not going anywhere during the lockout. We all know McNabb is gone, and Grossman was a free agent. Beyond that, what was MS supposed to say? I'm sure once the lockout is over there will probably be some movement, we may bring a FA and sign Grossman, and it will likely be a competition. Until then, I see no reason to get all worked up over the QB situation, since technically until the CBA is agreed upon, nothing can be done. Shanny doesn't seem to let much slip to the media, and this QB situation is a good example of it.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=wilsowilso;811789]My first instinct is to say we are obviuosly ffff'd at QB.

My second instinct is to say who gives a crap. We have had a clown shoes rotation of medicore QB's for a generation and a half. That hasn't really gotten in the way of Redskins glory has it?

Yeah. Back to the ffff'd at QB we have no chance at all mind frame.[/quote]

Yeah, think about it, with the exception of Brad Johnson in '99, Gus Frerotte probably was the closest thing we had to anything coming close to a franchise QB. He had probably the most solid Wr corp also. Firing Norv was a dumb move by Snyder, in that he did it while they still had a playoff shot.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

Found this article and well, I must say he does have a point..

[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hank-koebler/redskins-beck-experiment-_b_905022.html]Hank Koebler: Redskins' Beck Experiment a Brilliantly Calculated Gamble[/url]

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=GridIron26;811795]Found this article and well, I must say he does have a point..

[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hank-koebler/redskins-beck-experiment-_b_905022.html]Hank Koebler: Redskins' Beck Experiment a Brilliantly Calculated Gamble[/url][/quote]

Not a bad read. Few minutes/hr's/days till we find out what the FO will be doing.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

^Classic point, counter-point. If Beck has the tools, he's gonna need a solid OL and a stud WR like Schaub has.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=GridIron26;811795]Found this article and well, I must say he does have a point..

[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hank-koebler/redskins-beck-experiment-_b_905022.html]Hank Koebler: Redskins' Beck Experiment a Brilliantly Calculated Gamble[/url][/quote]

Holy crap. My video got on the Huffington Post!

...........Can I sue for moneis? Or at least a chance to mary Arriana Huffington without a prenup.

Man you would think you could get over 10,000 views with a video posted on a damn international website. Now I'll never be a Youtube partner.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=Dirtbag59;811856]Holy crap. My video got on the Huffington Post!

...........Can I sue for moneis? Or at least a chance to mary Arriana Huffington without a prenup.

Man you would think you could get over 10,000 views with a video posted on a damn international website. Now I'll never be a Youtube partner.[/quote]

Get 'em Snyder!

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=wilsowilso;811789]My first instinct is to say we are obviuosly ffff'd at QB.

[B]My second instinct is to say who gives a crap. We have had a clown shoes rotation of medicore QB's for a generation and a half. That hasn't really gotten in the way of Redskins glory has it?[/B]

Yeah. Back to the ffff'd at QB we have no chance at all mind frame.[/quote]

I have to agree, having a good QB is a good thing, but we shouldn't forget how the team and especially the OL is important, for example I think Jason Campbell is looking quite good in oakland, while obviously his last days in Washington weren't great.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=GridIron26;811795]Found this article and well, I must say he does have a point..

[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hank-koebler/redskins-beck-experiment-_b_905022.html]Hank Koebler: Redskins' Beck Experiment a Brilliantly Calculated Gamble[/url][/quote]


[COLOR="Blue"]"If Beck is the team's starter and the Redskins lose most of their games, then Shanahan can blame the lockout for derailing his plan for the team's quarterback position.[/COLOR] [COLOR="Red"]The Redskins can then move into position to draft Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck[/COLOR], [COLOR="Blue"]and Shanahan can survive another poor season or two by chalking up losses to the difficulty of transitioning to the NFL for young quarterbacks."[/COLOR]

I cringed when I saw that.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=diehard;811858]Get 'em Snyder![/quote]

Your right! It's my money and I need it NOW!

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

Good job Dirtbag!

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

Maybe Hank Koebler posts here?

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;811881]Maybe Hank Koebler posts here?[/quote]

Possible :D

However my video for Beck is so "popular" now that you don't have to go two or three pages on YouTube to find it. Don't know how it is for everyone else but for me searching for "John Beck" on YT has the Cardinals video listed second and the and the Jets video listed 5th. I think it use to be I had to type in John Beck Preseason Cardinals or something like that to get on the first page. Talk about finding a niche market.

I'm telling you guys I'm headed for the big time and then I'm going to suddenly forget about the rest of you guys. Now for God's sake, how much is it to ask for someone on hear to go on my videos and press F5 for an hour? Have to do everything myself.

[quote=Lotus;811880]Good job Dirtbag![/quote]

See this man here appreciates art.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

i Could see Terrance Austin making the team because Beck seems to throw to him in the pre season games a lot.