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[quote=Paintrain;876722]Here's the problem with the whole 'gather picks' idea. The reason it works for New England and Philly (except last year) is because they already have a core of highly talented players and can afford to use the shotgun approach to the draft and hope they hit on some good players with 10-12 picks. We need to hit on most of our picks or leverage some of them to get to the place where we have that talented core.

The mindset of gathering picks is akin to 'we need to draft more OL'. There are only 53 roster spots and 22 starters. Let's say for example we get another 12 picks and 11 of them make the team again. Let's also say that the holdovers from Shanny's 1st 2 classes stick around also. That's 25-26 of a 53 man roster with less than 3 years experience, including many late rounders. How good do you think that team will really be? That's also removing 10-11 players from this roster and that's not accounting for any free agent pickups.

Your scenario would seemingly reduce the number of overall players we pick up for a top heavy draft but again, put the controller down, it just doesn't happen that way in the real world.[/quote]


Dang, people complain about the team being too old, now they complain the team is too young. There really is no pleasing anyone. I don't know about Philli but NE used that theory from the beginning. They got younger, faster, and healthier in a short period of time. It was after they had their team somewhat built that Darth Hoodie would pick up maybe 1 or 2 FA's he felt still had something in them.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;876729]A) When did he say Cutler was coming here now? That was from 2 years ago and B) Don't insult Cutler by calling him Grossman2[/quote]

Smoots comment might have been refering to two yrs ago, but recently Cutlers name came up yet again on this site. Something about the coaching staff supposedly wanting him two yrs ago and might still want him and try for him again.

and to be honest... I don't see much difference between the two. Insult or not he's not that much better in my book which is why he was traded away. For me Grossman, Orton, and Cutler all having played for the Bears and having been benched, traded, or whatever are all pretty much the same. I'd rather we pass and go for some other teams QB's.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;876450]Cousins wasn't a bad QB in college. He's not RG3, Andrew Luck, Matt Barkley or Landry Jones, but he was fairly consistent. When most people view Cousins as a quarterback, they see him as a developmental prospect. In his senior year at Michigan State, he throw completed 267 of of 419 for 331 with a completion percentage of 63.7 with 25 TDs 10 INTs ending with a 145.1 QB rating.

His numbers in college actually wasn't bad at all. He's exactly what Colt McCoy was in his final year at Texas. But Cousins would be anywhere from a 3rd to a 5th round selection.[/quote]

He has a good arm, good mobility, and is a great leader. Went 22-5 the last 2 seasons, he wins! I like him a lot if we could get him with our 2nd round pick. I love RGIII but I don't want to trade the farm for him, when we have plenty of other players in this draft that can help us at O-line, CB, Safety, ILB, WR., etc.

*If Shanny/Allen do decide to trade for RGIII, I will be on board with it, and all in. Just wouldnt be my 1st choice. If Cleveland doesn't draft him I will chug a record amount of beers.

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Cutler and Grossman shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence. :doh:

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;876736]He has a good arm, good mobility, and is a great leader. Went 22-5 the last 2 seasons, he wins! I like him a lot if we could get him with our 2nd round pick. I love RGIII but I don't want to trade the farm for him, when we have plenty of other players in this draft that can help us at O-line, CB, Safety, ILB, WR., etc.

*If Shanny/Allen do decide to trade for RGIII, I will be on board with it, and all in. Just wouldnt be my 1st choice. If Cleveland doesn't draft him I will chug a record amount of beers.[/quote]

The thing I like most about Cousins is that he plays his best in crunch time. He led a beautiful drive with time expiring in their bowl game and that wasn't the only time he did that as a Senior.

He has good size, a good arm, and he's athletic enough to play in the NFL. I think he would be a very good pick in the 3rd round.

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[quote=Paintrain;876722]Here's the problem with the whole 'gather picks' idea. The reason it works for New England and Philly (except last year) is because they already have a core of highly talented players and can afford to use the shotgun approach to the draft and hope they hit on some good players with 10-12 picks. We need to hit on most of our picks or leverage some of them to get to the place where we have that talented core.

The mindset of gathering picks is akin to 'we need to draft more OL'. There are only 53 roster spots and 22 starters. Let's say for example we get another 12 picks and 11 of them make the team again. Let's also say that the holdovers from Shanny's 1st 2 classes stick around also. That's 25-26 of a 53 man roster with less than 3 years experience, including many late rounders. How good do you think that team will really be? That's also removing 10-11 players from this roster and that's not accounting for any free agent pickups.

Your scenario would seemingly reduce the number of overall players we pick up for a top heavy draft but again, put the controller down, it just doesn't happen that way in the real world.[/quote]

I think you may have skimmed over the two qualifying statements I made as conditions to going with the draft strategy I proposed.

First, I would do this [U]if[/U] we sign Matt Flynn.

Second, I would do this [U]if[/U] we have a good FA crop. Let's say, for example, that we were able to land QB Matt Flynn, WR Vincent Jackson, and C Chris Myers.

That would put us in a position to draft fewer players overall but more higher round players who could be difference makers for this team. I might even want to trade more picks to draft two first rounders or three second rounders. I want a draft class that looks something like this: OG David DeCastro, RB LaMichael James, FS Markelle Martin, OT Ricky Wagner, ILB Tank Carder. As far as I'm concerned, that could be our entire draft.

That would add eight good players to our team. What's wrong with that scenario?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;876729]A) When did he say Cutler was coming here now? That was from 2 years ago and B) Don't insult Cutler by calling him Grossman2[/quote]

Gracias

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[quote=ethat001;876723]Interestingly, Jason Campbell was not great but at least he would have been cheap and wouldn't have cost us multiple draft picks and years of agony over McNabb, Rexy, and some guy named Beck. Bad choices come back to haunt you. But yes -- now we need a real QB.


My choices in order of preference:
1) Bradford (if this happens, would be ecstatic).
2) Luck (if Colts pass on him so Peyton and rookie get along better)
3) RG3 - I'm still skeptical on running QBs, but does seem smarter & accurate..
4) Flynn - one game wonder, sure, but he still looked better than Rex ever did.
5) Orton - doesn't seem to win, but his numbers always seem to look good
6) Hoyer - Wouldn't be excited about this, but rumors here say he's highly regarded


Bradford would be wonderful, because we could land a proven franchise QB. Our O-line and WR core sucks - but is probably better than the Rams. Think he would do well here. I've read Clausen's name thrown around, but wouldn't want him here - seems like a bust already.[/quote]

I think Bradford would be a perfect fit here, do have concerns about his health though

I don't think trading for Luck would necessarily be much more difficult than RG3

I don't think I'd label RG3 a "running QB" but I do think the gap between him and Luck is greater than others do

Not against getting Flynn that shouldn't be our only QB move then

Would tolerate Orton as a stopgap/backup as long as we draft a QB (or two)

I haven't seen enough of him, but there is a lot (A LOT) of buzz about him. Rumors of him coming here, of him returning home to Ohio to play for the Browns, of the Chiefs even showing interest. I've talked to a few scouts who have said Hoyer is better than Flynn. I don't know

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[quote=Paintrain;876722]Here's the problem with the whole 'gather picks' idea. The reason it works for New England and Philly (except last year) is because they already have a core of highly talented players and can afford to use the shotgun approach to the draft and hope they hit on some good players with 10-12 picks. We need to hit on most of our picks or leverage some of them to get to the place where we have that talented core.

The mindset of gathering picks is akin to 'we need to draft more OL'. There are only 53 roster spots and 22 starters. Let's say for example we get another 12 picks and 11 of them make the team again. Let's also say that the holdovers from Shanny's 1st 2 classes stick around also. That's 25-26 of a 53 man roster with less than 3 years experience, including many late rounders. How good do you think that team will really be? That's also removing 10-11 players from this roster and that's not accounting for any free agent pickups.

Your scenario would seemingly reduce the number of overall players we pick up for a top heavy draft but again, put the controller down, it just doesn't happen that way in the real world.[/quote]

I love the idea of having over half of the team in their early 20's. This is one thing that a lot of 'skins fans complained about when Gibbs was here last - the team was one of the oldest teams in the league. I love the idea of building through the draft and adding just the right touch of young free agents. It's exactly what we should be doing. It tells me if most of those draft picks of Allen and Shanahan make the team, then the front office is doing a great job with their picks. So far, the majority have turned out to contribute.

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[quote=44Deezel;876696]Yeah, but Cassell is not a bum, and he never looked as good as Flynn did. There are a lot of guys who can get hot and throw for over 300 yards and 3-4 TDs, but 480 and 6? Damn![/quote]


You forgot to mention the 7 or 8 turnovers he's had in just two games. That puts Rex to shame.



[quote=44Deezel;876704] I think most fans want RGIII, me included, but there's nothing wrong with being worried about what he will cost. If we give up 4 or more high picks, and he doesn't pan out we're going to be in for some next level pain and misery.

:Flush:[/quote]



Which is why I don't think Shanny sells the farm just to get him. I think he stays the course, moves down and drafts a QB with our 2nd pick (or first depending on how far we move)

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[quote=NC_Skins;876773]You forgot to mention the 7 or 8 turnovers he's had in just two games. That puts Rex to shame.[/quote]

Are we talking about Flynn?

He appeared in 5 regular season games this year with 6 TDs, 2 INTs, and 1 lost fumble.

Exaggerate much? lol

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[quote=Mattyk;876777]Are we talking about Flynn?

He appeared in 5 regular season games this year with 6 TDs, 2 INTs, and 1 lost fumble.

Exaggerate much? lol[/quote]

I'm talking about the two games that people like to point to(NE game last year). I think he had 7 turnovers(could have been 6) during those two games. I think Dirtbag made a post about it. Wasn't sure the exact amount, but I know it was insane considering he only played two games. Even 6 turnovers in 2 games is way too much.

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Against NE last year he had 3 TDs, 1 INT, and 1 lost fumble.

For his entire career he has 9 TDs, 5 INTs, and 2 lost fumbles.

Maybe I'm missing something.

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[quote=Mattyk;876782]Against NE last year he had 3 TDs, 1 INT, and 1 lost fumble.

For his entire career he has 9 TDs, 5 INTs, and 2 lost fumbles.

Maybe I'm missing something.[/quote]

9 TDs to 7 turnovers?...lol Not a good ratio. So he had 5 turnovers between the NE and Detroit game. Still a bit high considering both of them were bad defenses.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;876765]I think you may have skimmed over the two qualifying statements I made as conditions to going with the draft strategy I proposed.

First, I would do this [U]if[/U] we sign Matt Flynn.

Second, I would do this [U]if[/U] we have a good FA crop. Let's say, for example, that we were able to land QB Matt Flynn, WR Vincent Jackson, and C Chris Myers.

That would put us in a position to draft fewer players overall but more higher round players who could be difference makers for this team. I might even want to trade more picks to draft two first rounders or three second rounders. I want a draft class that looks something like this: OG David DeCastro, RB LaMichael James, FS Markelle Martin, OT Ricky Wagner, ILB Tank Carder. As far as I'm concerned, that could be our entire draft.

[B]That would add eight good players to our team. What's wrong with that scenario?[/B][/quote]
It was late and I did skim so I previously missed your conditions of a good FA crop and signed Flynn so my bad. It doesn't really do anything to change my point though. What doing that does is reduce the quality of our depth and presumably the effectiveness of our special teams. You need veterans to hold many of the roster spots between 25-43 so you have proven players in case a starter goes down. The bottom of your roster is great for young players to develop long term but you really don't want to count on 10-15 first or second year players as starters or major contributors.

Even the scenario of fewer picks but them all being higher round guys, again that rarely (if ever) happens in the league.

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Well, we're talking about a small sample, and a guy that doesn't play regularly. I wouldn't look too far into his stats either way.

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I truly don't see how we are going to get a QB worth anything, Cleveland has more to give to move up[ for RG3 and there will be competition for Flynn, don't want to give up the farm for Hoyer.There's just not a lot of options especially with other teams needing QB's also.
B][/B]

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[quote=Mattyk;876785]Well, we're talking about a small sample, and a guy that doesn't play regularly. I wouldn't look too far into his stats either way.[/quote]

Very true. That's why I think it's hard to give that guy big money based on his small sample AND his talent evaluation back when he was drafted. Some team will though no doubt. QB is such a high commodity.

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[quote=SmootSmack;876689]I feel like a lot of people have changed their opinion on the whole trade picks to get your QB idea. I don't remember such a groundswell of support for Cutler[/quote]

Not me...but your right. I wanted the Cutler trade and 90% of the people on here told me I was crazy. And now several years later we still have no QB...

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[quote=skinsguy;876772]I love the idea of having over half of the team in their early 20's. This is one thing that a lot of 'skins fans complained about when Gibbs was here last - the team was one of the oldest teams in the league. I love the idea of building through the draft and adding just the right touch of young free agents. It's exactly what we should be doing. It tells me if most of those draft picks of Allen and Shanahan make the team, then the front office is doing a great job with their picks. So far, the majority have turned out to contribute.[/quote]

NOthing wrong with building thru the draft.. Flooding the roster with 1st, 2nd and 3rd year players based on sheer volume however isn't a strategy for success.

Maybe I'll restate to clarify. In a 7 round draft where we hold picks in all rounds, a team can call 3 starters and a 2 backups an excellent draft, 2 starters and 3 backups a good draft and 1-2 starters and 1-2 backups an average draft.

2007 we had an awful draft. Landry was the only starter. HB Blades was the only backup.

2008 we had an awful draft. No starters. Davis was the only quality player, Jackson the only remaining backup.

2009 we had an awful draft. Orakpo was the only starter. Barnes the only remaining backup.

2010 we had an average draft. Williams and Riley are starters, Austin is a backup.

2011 we had a potentially excellent draft. Kerrigan, Jenkins, Hankerson all look like starters. Helu looks like he will either start or be part of a strong rotation. Gomes, Paul, Royster, Hurt, Nield all are backups.

Replicating 2011 will be difficult simply based on averages that most drafts don't provide that level of depth. But since we had an excellent draft in 2011 we can afford to be more aggressive in moving up to get a player without the risk of not filling needed holes. We also don't have a need as we did last year to 'stock up on picks' in this draft for the sake of getting younger. The 2011 draft really just averaged out the 2007-2009 drafts in terms of the number of expected starters and backups from each draft.

If anything if we move back, we should be looking to acquire 2013 picks. That's what NE does better than anyone, build forward.

Nothing wrong with getting younger, but young for the sake of young doesn't build winners.

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[quote=Eknox;876787][B]I truly don't see how we are going to get a QB worth anything,[/B] Cleveland has more to give to move up[ for RG3 and there will be competition for Flynn, don't want to give up the farm for Hoyer.There's just not a lot of options especially with other teams needing QB's also.
B][/B][/quote]

Here are the QB who potentially could be available at one point or another (excluding draft picks) this offseason:
Peyton Manning
Kevin Kolb
Mark Sanchez
Chad Henne
Matt Flynn
Brian Hoyer
Kyle Orton
Matt Leinart

I didn't put Sam Bradford on the list because Fisher noted him as a main reason he chose St. Louis over Miami. But the Manning decision will impact at least 3-4 teams. Let's say for example Manning is released, signs with Arizona who trades Kolb to the Browns meaning they are no longer in play for RGIII. Or the scenario that SS put out there that the Jets sign Manning, then trade Sanchez here. Until March 8, the QB derby is all speculation. If Manning is free then many doors open.

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[quote=Paintrain;876793]NOthing wrong with building thru the draft.. Flooding the roster with 1st, 2nd and 3rd year players based on sheer volume however isn't a strategy for success.

Maybe I'll restate to clarify. In a 7 round draft where we hold picks in all rounds, a team can call 3 starters and a 2 backups an excellent draft, 2 starters and 3 backups a good draft and 1-2 starters and 1-2 backups an average draft.

2007 we had an awful draft. Landry was the only starter. HB Blades was the only backup.

2008 we had an awful draft. No starters. Davis was the only quality player, Jackson the only remaining backup.

2009 we had an awful draft. Orakpo was the only starter. Barnes the only remaining backup.

2010 we had an average draft. Williams and Riley are starters, Austin is a backup.

2011 we had a potentially excellent draft. Kerrigan, Jenkins, Hankerson all look like starters. Helu looks like he will either start or be part of a strong rotation. Gomes, Paul, Royster, Hurt, Nield all are backups.

Replicating 2011 will be difficult simply based on averages that most drafts don't provide that level of depth. But since we had an excellent draft in 2011 we can afford to be more aggressive in moving up to get a player without the risk of not filling needed holes. We also don't have a need as we did last year to 'stock up on picks' in this draft for the sake of getting younger. The 2011 draft really just averaged out the 2007-2009 drafts in terms of the number of expected starters and backups from each draft.

If anything if we move back, we should be looking to acquire 2013 picks. That's what NE does better than anyone, build forward.

Nothing wrong with getting younger, but young for the sake of young doesn't build winners.[/quote]

How Vinnie kept his job with those drafts that long is beyond comprehension. I know he only took credit for a couple of those years but still, I think he had a hand in many of them.

NE does an excellent job acquiring picks. They like to draft and accumulate 2nd rounders.

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The stupidity level is gaining record levels this early in the year as noted by this quote on another forum.

[QUOTE]man if only we had lost more games. winning a couple of meaningless crap games this seasons is going to cost us 10 years of mediocrity. i do not get the reward versus cost equation most people are going through here who argued against tanking the season. if we had merely lost about 2 games on purpose we would have our QB of the future for the next decade. that value is far greater than a stupid win or two in a lost season. [/QUOTE]

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[quote=Paintrain;876795]Here are the QB who potentially could be available at one point or another (excluding draft picks) this offseason:
Peyton Manning
Kevin Kolb
Mark Sanchez
Chad Henne
Matt Flynn
Brian Hoyer
Kyle Orton
Matt Leinart

I didn't put Sam Bradford on the list because Fisher noted him as a main reason he chose St. Louis over Miami. But the Manning decision will impact at least 3-4 teams. Let's say for example Manning is released, signs with Arizona who trades Kolb to the Browns meaning they are no longer in play for RGIII. Or the scenario that SS put out there that the Jets sign Manning, then trade Sanchez here. Until March 8, the QB derby is all speculation. If Manning is free then many doors open.[/quote]

Also Colt McCoy, Jimmy Clausen, and Vince Young

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[quote=SmootSmack;876800]Also Colt McCoy, Jimmy Clausen, and Vince Young[/quote]

It's like digging through the trash can trying to find quality meal.

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[quote=44Deezel;876704]There are always going to be "knocks" on guys as highly touted as RGIII, because there are no guarantees, and history tells us that the odds are 50/50at best for QBs taken in the top 10-15 picks. Even Luck is not a lock. I think most fans want RGIII, me included, but there's nothing wrong with being worried about what he will cost. If we give up 4 or more high picks, and he doesn't pan out we're going to be in for some next level pain and misery.

:Flush:[/quote]

Couldn't see us giving up four or more high draft picks. It took three to pull off the ElI Manning/Philip Rivers trade.

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It seems that every offseason there are posters who want us to be conservative at the QB position and either draft one in later rounds or sign one in free agency. Unfortunately that finding diamonds in the rough strategy s ofetn analogous to trying to catch lightning in a bottle. I am a firm believer that we need to be aggressive in identifying a securing our qb of the future. If MS feels he sees one in this current draft, then spend what you have to to go and get him. I don't hear NY fans moaning about what they gave up for Eli. However, I do see skins fans griping about bad QB play year in and year out.

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What about Brady Quinn? Thought he was a FA this year too?

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[quote=Jontrem;876826]What about Brady Quinn? Thought he was a FA this year too?[/quote]

Yes. Will be interesting to see what happens with him. Have heard he currently likes the stability of being in Denver. But if he has the chance to start somewhere else....though I'm not sure where that would be

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;876801]It's like digging through the trash can trying to find quality meal.[/QUOTE]

This

#Hail to the Redskins

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[quote=Son Of Man;876818]It seems that every offseason there are posters who want us to be conservative at the QB position and either draft one in later rounds or sign one in free agency. Unfortunately that finding diamonds in the rough strategy s ofetn analogous to trying to catch lightning in a bottle. I am a firm believer that we need to be aggressive in identifying a securing our qb of the future. If MS feels he sees one in this current draft, then spend what you have to to go and get him. I don't hear NY fans moaning about what they gave up for Eli. However, I do see skins fans griping about bad QB play year in and year out.[/quote]

I agree, 1 franchise QB is better than three 1st rounders at Oline, Dline and secondary. Cause hes gona make those second tier guys a whole lot better.

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[quote=NC_Skins;876801]It's like digging through the trash can trying to find quality meal.[/quote]

I agree with you too. The team might as well start looking to improve in other areas if they aren't willing to do what's necessary to draft a top QB prospect.

#loweredexpectations

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[quote=Paintrain;876793]NOthing wrong with building thru the draft.. Flooding the roster with 1st, 2nd and 3rd year players based on sheer volume however isn't a strategy for success.

Maybe I'll restate to clarify. In a 7 round draft where we hold picks in all rounds, a team can call 3 starters and a 2 backups an excellent draft, 2 starters and 3 backups a good draft and 1-2 starters and 1-2 backups an average draft.

2007 we had an awful draft. Landry was the only starter. HB Blades was the only backup.

2008 we had an awful draft. No starters. Davis was the only quality player, Jackson the only remaining backup.

2009 we had an awful draft. Orakpo was the only starter. Barnes the only remaining backup.

2010 we had an average draft. Williams and Riley are starters, Austin is a backup.

2011 we had a potentially excellent draft. Kerrigan, Jenkins, Hankerson all look like starters. Helu looks like he will either start or be part of a strong rotation. Gomes, Paul, Royster, Hurt, Nield all are backups.

Replicating 2011 will be difficult simply based on averages that most drafts don't provide that level of depth. But since we had an excellent draft in 2011 we can afford to be more aggressive in moving up to get a player without the risk of not filling needed holes. We also don't have a need as we did last year to 'stock up on picks' in this draft for the sake of getting younger. The 2011 draft really just averaged out the 2007-2009 drafts in terms of the number of expected starters and backups from each draft.

If anything if we move back, we should be looking to acquire 2013 picks. That's what NE does better than anyone, build forward.

Nothing wrong with getting younger, but young for the sake of young doesn't build winners.[/quote]

Certainly good points. I like the idea of trading picks for future picks as well - making sure there's a "full" draft for the Redskins each and every year. The Redskins have about eight picks this year. Last year they had 12, and most of them all contributed or will contribute this season (Hankerson, Jenkins.) Let's say 4 out of the 8 this year become starters or at least get a lot of playing time this coming season, that's a pretty good amount of young guys in there. I don't think the Redskins necessarily HAVE to do this every season, beyond of course building and maintaining depth. And I know finding the diamonds in the rough is quite difficult when it comes to quarterback play, but on the other hand, finding a sure bet starter as a qb is not automatic by any means. For every Big Ben, Peyton Manning, or Cam Newton, there's plenty of Ryan Leafs, Heath Shulers, and Patrick Ramseys.

Joe Montana was not highly regarded coming out of college, but he turned out pretty good. I think it just really depends on who your scouts are. Anybody can look at an Andrew Luck or a RG III and easily see the talent or be fooled completely. It's finding those guys that for one reason or another, their stock went down, but knowing that they have certain qualities that meets NFL standards that aren't looked at by the talking heads on the radio or on the NFL Network. I think that coupled with the quality of your coaching staff really determines if that pick turns out great or not.

We used to laugh at the Patrick Ramsey disciples about how he was never given a "chance" to succeed in Washington. Looking back on it, I sort of understand it. I think he was probably one of those guys where he needed that development and precise coaching to really turn into a great QB, because he wasn't good enough to overcome bad coaching on his own.

I said that to say that I believe in this coaching staff, and I think picking a guy like Tannehill or maybe Foles would be the right thing for those guys, because they have a great coaching staff that could be there for them during their most critical points in their career. So, it could possibly be true that the Redskins don't necessarily NEED to bet the farm away for an RG III or an Andrew Luck. They could possibly succeed with a lower draft pick.

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[quote=Paintrain;876795]Here are the QB who potentially could be available at one point or another (excluding draft picks) this offseason:
Peyton Manning
Kevin Kolb
Mark Sanchez
Chad Henne
Matt Flynn
Brian Hoyer
Kyle Orton
Matt Leinart

I didn't put Sam Bradford on the list because Fisher noted him as a main reason he chose St. Louis over Miami. But the Manning decision will impact at least 3-4 teams. Let's say for example Manning is released, signs with Arizona who trades Kolb to the Browns meaning they are no longer in play for RGIII. Or the scenario that SS put out there that the Jets sign Manning, then trade Sanchez here. Until March 8, the QB derby is all speculation. If Manning is free then many doors open.[/quote]

Well since you put it that way I'll hold on to hope thanks PT. :)

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[quote=Eknox;876842]Well since you put it that way I'll hold on to hope thanks PT. :)[/quote]

I've stated many times that my preference is to trade up for RGIII and sign a lower level free agent or keep Grossman to back him up. As for plan B, I'd rather sign Henne than Flynn or Hoyer and draft Tannehill or Foles in the 2nd round. My wild speculation is if the Colts retain Manning then Luck forces a trade of the #1 pick because he doesn't want to sit behind Manning and we go up to get him.

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[quote=Paintrain;876848]I've stated many times that my preference is to trade up for RGIII and sign a lower level free agent or keep Grossman to back him up. As for plan B, I'd rather sign Henne than Flynn or Hoyer and draft Tannehill or Foles in the 2nd round. My wild speculation is if the Colts retain Manning then Luck forces a trade of the #1 pick because he doesn't want to sit behind Manning and we go up to get him.[/quote]

Clearly what's going to happen is...

Manning will convince the Colts that they need to draft Blackmon after they lose Garcon and Wayne in FA

The Rams, already set at QB, will shore up their offensive line with Matt Kalil

The Vikings will forgot to turn in their pick and will not draft anyone at 3

The Browns will take RG3

The Bucs facing Cam Newton, Drew Brees, and Matt Ryan 6 times a year will lock up Morris Claiborne as Aqib Talib leaves for Tennessee and Ronde Barber retires

The Redskins take Andrew Luck at #6!!!!!

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Good point Smoot but I just saw a website that had us giving up the #6 pick the #39 pick and a 2013 2nd rounder to move up and take RGIII. If we pull that off I would be estatic.

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[quote=SmootSmack;876850]Clearly what's going to happen is...

Manning will convince the Colts that they need to draft Blackmon after they lose Garcon and Wayne in FA

The Rams, already set at QB, will shore up their offensive line with Matt Kalil

The Vikings will forgot to turn in their pick and will not draft anyone at 3

The Browns will take RG3

The Bucs facing Cam Newton, Drew Brees, and Matt Ryan 6 times a year will lock up Morris Claiborne as Aqib Talib leaves for Tennessee and Ronde Barber retires

The Redskins take Andrew Luck at #6!!!!![/quote]
Well yeah, obviously but if I stated it that clearly and succinctly nobody would bother keep coming into the threads.. I was trying to keep your traffic numbers up. Good job of screwing it up for everyone SS. See you in August! :food-smil

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[quote=Paintrain;876852]Well yeah, obviously but if I stated it that clearly and succinctly nobody would bother keep coming into the threads.. I was trying to keep your traffic numbers up. Good job of screwing it up for everyone SS. See you in August! :food-smil[/quote]

LOL. Oops

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;876851]Good point Smoot but I just saw a website that had us giving up the #6 pick the #39 pick and a 2013 2nd rounder to move up and take RGIII. If we pull that off I would be estatic.[/quote]

That'd be great if that's all it took

What site was that?