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Garcon to wear #15 if anyone cares.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;899888]Garcon to wear #15 if anyone cares.[/quote]

He's our Tebow.

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[QUOTE=Lotus;899897]He's our Tebow.[/QUOTE]



I was just thinking that.

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Maybe he's our Tim Tebow!

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Garçon is our Hostetler successor.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;899900]Maybe he's our Tim Tebow![/quote]

No, maybe he's just our Garcon. I don't really
want a Tebow on the team...

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[quote=CultBrennan59;899866]For those looking for a good Slot WR to develop in the draft..
[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1023582-2012-nfl-mock-draft-projecting-the-best-slot-wide-receiver-prospects]2012 NFL Mock Draft: Projecting the Best Slot Wide Receiver Prospects | Bleacher Report[/url][/quote]

Wasn't Joe Adams on the Senior Bowl roster that Shanahan coached? I also seem to remember that the Skins liked Chris Rainey who I think is projected to be a hybrid RB/WR type . I could see the Skins draft one of those guys...

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maybe after morgan said yes we told royal to look elsewhere... but because he came out, he didn't want to kill his contract value with another team.

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Unless we wanna use a 3rd on a WR, Joe Adams will be gone. My question is: We tried to sign 3 WRs but got 2. Does Shanny go for a 3rd WR somewhere?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;900058]Unless we wanna use a 3rd on a WR, Joe Adams will be gone. My question is: We tried to sign 3 WRs but got 2. Does Shanny go for a 3rd WR somewhere?[/quote]

Keep Armstrong/Moss as slot WR.

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Screw Armstrong. Rather keep Moss but we have 3 young WRs, Garcon/Hank/Morgan someone has to play slot right?

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Armstrong is not a slot guy, not sure where this idea is even coming from.

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^ Because he's small and fast I assume. He's like Devery Henderson , speedy deep threat and not much else.

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[quote=Mattyk;900089]Armstrong is not a slot guy, not sure where this idea is even coming from.[/quote]

Maybe because people assume he's still a relevant part of the team, even though he's not?

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Armstrong is a very, very poor man's Randy Moss. One-trick pony.

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Yeah, lets meet Armstrong in a back alley and jump him. Or maybe Dirtbag can get Captain Insaneo to take him down.

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Armstrong was beyond terrible last year.

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I liked AA until last year's never-ending drops on deep balls. Rex would broken even on INTs and TDs without him! :D

(16 TDs/20 INTs)

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Garson, Morgan, Hankerson could be a good trio. However, we really dont know how Garson will be as a #1 in this offense. He wasn't a #1 in Indy, and although he has the speed and experience, he just may not cut it. Moss has been the #1 in this offense for 3 years now and has put up some pretty decent numbers with virtually no help from other WR on the roster. So, I really dont see us getting rid of him.

Armstrong is probably gone, given his virtual zero impact and being a speed guy ala Garson and Moss. I would like to see Gafney as well, but I am guessing Morgan or Hankerson will fill that role.

Hopefully Davis and Cooley can get on the field together as well, which will limit the 4 WR sets, and have more 3 WR sets with match up issues created by Davis and Cooley.

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I wonder if we can bring Plaxico Burress in for a visit to scare the Eagles

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Who says Hank can't be a number 1?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;900166]Who says Hank can't be a number 1?[/quote]

It's like Greg Cosell's article (which you can read [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/47046-q-and-a-with-greg-cosell.html"]here[/URL]) says, the definition of a #1 wide receiver is overrated in this day and age of 3 wr sets designed to exploit mismatches (i.e. your #1 WR lining up in the slot against a linebacker/safety, etc.). But whomever is saying Hankerson won't contribute is someone who's opinion I wouldn't necessarily agree with.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;900091]^ Because he's small and fast I assume. He's like Devery Henderson , speedy deep threat and not much else.[/quote]

exactly who he is, except not good. he will be gone, he has to be. i would like to keep moss to help mentor the youngins, and he can still contribute.

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[quote=mooby;900183]It's like Greg Cosell's article (which you can read [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/47046-q-and-a-with-greg-cosell.html"]here[/URL]) says, the definition of a #1 wide receiver is overrated in this day and age of 3 wr sets designed to exploit mismatches (i.e. your #1 WR lining up in the slot against a linebacker/safety, etc.). But whomever is saying Hankerson won't contribute is someone who's opinion I wouldn't necessarily agree with.[/quote]

yeah, people get carried away almost as if #1 wr is a position, like if you don't have one it's like not having a true point guard! Just need decent playmakers, consistent routes & good hands. I'd rather three guys rack up 800+ yards each in a balanced attack than see one wr get 1400 himself.

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[quote=freddyg12;900191]yeah, people get carried away almost as if #1 wr is a position, like if you don't have one it's like not having a true point guard! Just need decent playmakers, consistent routes & good hands. [B]I'd rather three guys rack up 800+ yards each in a balanced attack than see one wr get 1400 himself.[/B][/quote]


IMO can't argue with that.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;900091]^ Because he's small and fast I assume. He's like Devery Henderson , speedy deep threat and not much else.[/quote]

Right, he's a straight ahead speed guy for the most part. Run the go route and that's it.

He's not shifty or quick enough for the slot.

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[quote=mooby;900183]It's like Greg Cosell's article (which you can read [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/47046-q-and-a-with-greg-cosell.html"]here[/URL]) says, the definition of a #1 wide receiver is overrated in this day and age of 3 wr sets designed to exploit mismatches (i.e. your #1 WR lining up in the slot against a linebacker/safety, etc.). But whomever is saying Hankerson won't contribute is someone who's opinion I wouldn't necessarily agree with.[/quote]Cosell's argument, while legitimate, doesn't really apply to the Redskins offense under Kyle Shanahan. If Kyle is specifically designing or modifying plays to get Pierre Garcon the ball in critical situations, then he's treating him like the proverbial no. 1 receiver. If he's doing it for someone else, like Hankerson or Gaffney or Morgan, then they are the no. 1 receiver.

You don't need to know who the Redskins think their no. 1 target is in March, because they'll show you themselves in September.

The Redskins don't try to spread the field and win matchups like that, because that's more responsibility at the LOS than they want their QB to have. They want to win the matchup on Wednesday, lineup, and go play. In that sense, who the go-to guy is will always be very important to the success of the offense.

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[quote=GTripp0012;900209]Cosell's argument, while legitimate, doesn't really apply to the Redskins offense under Kyle Shanahan. If Kyle is specifically designing or modifying plays to get Pierre Garcon the ball in critical situations, then he's treating him like the proverbial no. 1 receiver. If he's doing it for someone else, like Hankerson or Gaffney or Morgan, then they are the no. 1 receiver.

You don't need to know who the Redskins think their no. 1 target is in March, because they'll show you themselves in September.

The Redskins don't try to spread the field and win matchups like that, because that's more responsibility at the LOS than they want their QB to have. They want to win the matchup on Wednesday, lineup, and go play. In that sense, who the go-to guy is will always be very important to the success of the offense.[/quote]

I agree with your points, but if Kyle decides none of the guys stand out from each other (i.e. we have a collective group of #2's but not one clear guy we can always depend on to beat the d) and then schemes to exploit mismatches on d, then the relevance of the #1 wide receiver is minimized. But if he decides to draw up plays designed to get Garcon the ball the most, then yes Garcon would be defined as the #1.

Either way, I'm not as low on Kyle here as others are, and I do believe now that we have guys we can depend on to make plays, Kyle S. will put them in position to do so. If it turns out that Hankerson or Garcon is our true #1 wideout, so be it. I just want points on the board, and to not be hamstrung by our crappy quarterback.

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[quote=mooby;900248]

Either way, I'm not as low on Kyle here as others are, and I do believe now that we have guys we can depend on to make plays, Kyle S. will put them in position to do so. If it turns out that Hankerson or Garcon is our true #1 wideout, so be it. I just want points on the board, [B]and to not be hamstrung by our crappy quarterback.[/B][/quote]

Griffin hasn't even taken a snap yet give him time!!

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[quote=The Goat;900277]Griffin hasn't even taken a snap yet give him time!![/quote]

Lol that's a nice funny you made there.

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[quote=mooby;900248]I agree with your points, but if Kyle decides none of the guys stand out from each other (i.e. we have a collective group of #2's but not one clear guy we can always depend on to beat the d) and then schemes to exploit mismatches on d, then the relevance of the #1 wide receiver is minimized. But if he decides to draw up plays designed to get Garcon the ball the most, then yes Garcon would be defined as the #1. [/quote]I think the best definition of '#1' WR comes from how the defense defends the WR in question.

A true '#1' WR is a player that a defense will gameplan to stop/limit by using various coverage schemes designed to take that player away.

I think most teams design play concepts that fit both of the ideas you mentioned above.
There are certain plays designed to get a particular receiver X, Z, or Y (etc) the ball e.g. WR screen plays, 1 man or 2 man routes off play action etc.
But, more often then not teams design plays with [I]multiple[/I] options designed to attack a particular coverage with the intent to get a primary receiver open then (based on the defenses coverage as the QB reads his post snap progressions post snaps) get receivers option 2, 3 and sometimes even 4 and 5 open if the defense tries to take option #1 away.
That's why its critical to have a QB that can smoothly transition from their primary option to their secondary and tertiary options.

If you go back to 2010 I think it was clear that Moss, although not a 'true' No.1 receiver, was [I][B]our[/B][/I] number 1 receiving option and was targeted [I]146[/I] times and the results were top 10 production in both yards and catches: [B][I]93[/I][/B] for [I][B]1,115[/B][/I].

Pro Football Focus did a nice breakdown of Sanatana Moss from 2010:
[url=http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/05/17/2010-snap-breakdown-santana-moss/]2010 Snap Breakdown - Santana Moss | ProFootballFocus.com[/url]

If Kyle keeps Moss or the slot WR as his focus as they've been doing the past couple of seasons then Moss/slot WRs numbers could actually improve from 2010 with the increased performance from the X and Z receivers respectively. (however it shakes out Garcon/Gaffney or Garcon/Morgan etc)
The upgrade to the WR corps as a unit will have a postive and somewhat symbiotic effect between the X, Z and slot receivers where the improved play from from 1 receiver position forces the defense to adjust which in turn makes it easier for the other receivers production to increase.

Aa didn't even play last year it seemed like

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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl1-Ye5NV6Q]Pierre Garcon WITH GREAT MOVES! - YouTube[/url]

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;900452][url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl1-Ye5NV6Q]Pierre Garcon WITH GREAT MOVES! - YouTube[/url][/quote]

That was impressive...he's got speed and agility.

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[quote=mooby;900248]I agree with your points, but if Kyle decides none of the guys stand out from each other (i.e. we have a collective group of #2's but not one clear guy we can always depend on to beat the d) and then schemes to exploit mismatches on d, then the relevance of the #1 wide receiver is minimized. But if he decides to draw up plays designed to get Garcon the ball the most, then yes Garcon would be defined as the #1.

Either way, I'm not as low on Kyle here as others are, and I do believe now that we have guys we can depend on to make plays, Kyle S. will put them in position to do so. If it turns out that Hankerson or Garcon is our true #1 wideout, so be it. I just want points on the board, and to not be hamstrung by our crappy quarterback.[/quote]

Fred Davis.

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I haven't been here in a few days and I'll admit I'm kind of lazy and I don't wanna read back.

Did the Royal deal fall through? Or are we still in talks?

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he signed a 3yr deal w the chargers. i don't know why we didn't want to beat it if we wasted all that money on his steak dinner jeepers creepers

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[quote=los panda;900584]he signed a 3yr deal w the chargers. i don't know why we didn't want to beat it if we wasted all that money on his steak dinner jeepers creepers[/quote]

cause they hadn't finished josh morgan yet, and once they got that news they probably knew 3 wrs was one too many... so they asked what else he had lined up and told him that SD sounded like a good idea.

my opinion only, but it seems like the most reasonable explanation.

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for the weather

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It's obvious that he feels he has a better shot at getting playing time. Malcolm Floyd is a career #2 who is old. Vincent Brown is unproven. Meachem is also unproven.

Whereas here, we have a substantial investment in Hankerson, and Garcon has shown more mojo than anyone currently on San Diego's roster. Add to that Morgan's blocking practically assures Morgan playing time, and the prospects are dim for Royal to be more than a bench warmer most of the time.