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[quote=RedskinRat;945386]Oh, come on! How can you be serious? He went to how many teams before he stabilized and had one good game?

The Skins are finally getting where they need to be and people are complaining about the the Shanahan's?

:Smoker:[/quote]

Bottom of the league defense and no healthy starting O tackles isn't where I'd like to be. Not even close :(

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[quote=The Goat;945388]Bottom of the league defense and no healthy starting O tackles isn't where I'd like to be. Not even close :([/quote]

Agreed, but I don't place the blame for injuries on the Coaches and the Offense and D were never going to be fixed in under 5 years.

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I knew this already, but some people here needs their CPU taken away.

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[quote=RedskinRat;945386]Oh, come on! How can you be serious? He went to how many teams before he stabilized and had one good game?

[B]The Skins are finally getting where they need to be and people are complaining about the the Shanahan's?[/B]

:Smoker:[/quote]

Scapegoats. Someone's gotta bear the brunt of the blame.:Smoker:

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[quote=The Goat;945385]Really? I couldn't find a single one, though admittedly I don't really think about the pre-Snyder era much. But other than that is there anything from the post you can honestly refute with factual evidence?[/quote]

Plenty. So could you

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[quote=RedskinRat;945392]Agreed, but I don't place the blame for injuries on the Coaches and the Offense and D were never going to be fixed in under 5 years.[/quote]Sure transition to the ZBS takes time, and I'm in favor of giving Shanny his five years, but the OL being in shambles all three Shanny seasons is troubling.

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Before the draft: "We better cater the offense to RGIII's strengths" i.e. His speed, Deep passes

After 3 weeks of doing that: "We need to bottle RGIII in the pocket and let him throw the damn football!" "He is going to get killed taking all these hits!"

Lets forget that he is almost 6'3" and pushing 230lbs. He apparently is so fragile like Mike Vick who is barely 6'0" and I don't care what his listed weight it, I dont believe that he is over 200lbs.

I don't like to be mean, but some people are just stupid.

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Remember we are all on the same side here.
We all want the Redskins to win football games.

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[quote=SmootSmack;945384]So many flaws with that post, but whatever. To each their own. Hail to the Redskins[/quote]

agreed Hail!!!

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;945400]Before the draft: "We better cater the offense to RGIII's strengths" i.e. His speed, Deep passes

After 3 weeks of doing that: "We need to bottle RGIII in the pocket and let him throw the damn football!" "He is going to get killed taking all these hits!"

Lets forget that he is almost 6'3" and pushing 230lbs. He apparently is so fragile like Mike Vick who is barely 6'0" and I don't care what his listed weight it, I dont believe that he is over 200lbs.

I don't like to be mean, but some people are just stupid.[/quote]

Son, if you think any QB can take the punishment RG3 has so far, for a full season, stupid is a vast understatement.

And just to keep things fact based, I've never seen him listed above 217.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/player/robertgriffiniii/2533033/profile]Robert Griffin III, QB for the Washington Redskins at NFL.com[/url]

He's pretty slender by NFL standards.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;945395]Scapegoats. Someone's gotta bear the brunt of the blame.:Smoker:[/quote]

We should blame Firstdown.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;945384]So many flaws with that post, but whatever. To each their own. Hail to the Redskins[/QUOTE]

Its all really opinion based, so im not sure about flaws? Only time will tell , i think we all agree that we hope this post is wrong - and if it is how soon until we realize. There is only one thing that is going to make this post "flawed". Wins.

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[quote=CapitalDefense;945404]Remember we are all on the same side here.
We all want the Redskins to win football games.[/quote]

I don't want the Skins to win games. Suck for Luck!

[QUOTE=Lotus;945419]I don't want the Skins to win games. Suck for Luck![/QUOTE]

Lmao yes!!

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[quote=The Goat;945413]Son, if you think any QB can take the punishment RG3 has so far, for a full season, stupid is a vast understatement.

And just to keep things fact based, I've never seen him listed above 217.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/player/robertgriffiniii/2533033/profile]Robert Griffin III, QB for the Washington Redskins at NFL.com[/url]

He's pretty slender by NFL standards.[/quote]

He weighed in at the combine at 223

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[quote=DirtBagZ;945383]I think that is just a sign of how broken this franchise has been since 1992. Granted 1999 and the begining of the Snyder era is the true begning of this team hitting bottom. Shanahan clearly owns this current mess, not a big fan of his, and I think the nepotism of having his son as OC, is problematic. As a father there is no way that could objectively judge my own sons if they worked for me.

But beyond the nepotism Shanahan owns the following blunders: McNubb trade, I "stake my reputation" on Beck/Grossman and the failure to address the offensive line and secondary.

It is truly mind boggling how many ex-Redskins go to other teams and then perform at a higher level. Chris Clemons at Seatle being the latest example with his 4 sack game, granted he bounced from the Skins to Oakland, to Philly, to finally Seatle, but seems this is a consistent story line. In my mind it is a symptom of an overall organizational/culture problem within the franchise.

Been a fan of this team for a long time, and that loyalty is not going to change, I guess the biggest problem are the childhood memories of when this team was good, and now twenty years of suck. My biggest hope is that RG3 is able to turn this franchise around.

I am becoming very sceptical that Shanahan is the one to guide this team and RG3. I think they way they are using RG3 is very reckless and will cost the franchise long term, they need to let him, throw the damn football! The kid is a phenomenal talent and it is going to be a bitter pill of the Shananigan duo, messes him up trying to win a couple more games on a season in which it is obvious that this team is no where near being ready to contend for a division title or the playoffs. I almost cringe at thinking what is going to happen when the likes of Dallas, NY, and Philly defenses t-off on RG3 with the incredibly porous o-line. Rant off.[/quote]

Clemons is a late bloomer.

Philly and Oakland also gave up on him so...

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You guys are debating with a dude who wants players in the Al Davis mold (aka..fast), yet wants to bring in Plaxico. Think about that for a second.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;945428]You guys are debating with a dude who wants players in the Al Davis mold (aka..fast), yet wants to bring in Plaxico. Think about that for a second.[/QUOTE]

The whole al davis fast wr thing is funny. Hell it was the 49ers who bought in renaldo nee- a - my -a (couldnt remember the spelling). Its almost as if now fast equals cant cAtch in peoples minds. All the great players teams and things that guy did until his later years but the first thing people think about when u mention davis is fast receivers that couldnt catch. Lol. As for plax - hes probably still a solid redzone target but i dont know if i consider scoring a thing that needs to be fixed rite now.

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$25k fine for Kyle

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[quote=SmootSmack;945446]$25k fine for Kyle[/quote]Wow. Ouch, though I agree with fining profanity to refs, players should get called on it more often too, IMO.

Partially joking: Now can we start fining refs for some of the bad calls? Not just this season. Whoever called a penalty last season on Fletcher for hitting Brady when he wasn't even down, imaginary helmet contact at that, needs to lose that game check.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;945446]$25k fine for Kyle[/QUOTE]

Thats when you know you have made it in life. If i got fined 25,000 dollars id have to sell this phone amongst other things.

What about bullychek

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[quote=NC_Skins;945428]You guys are debating with a dude who wants players in the Al Davis mold (aka..fast), yet wants to bring in Plaxico. Think about that for a second.[/quote]

Yeah I don't really acknowledge most of the things he post's because I think he's being sarcastic. Can't really tell at this point.

Offense is being run the way the coaches want to run it. If you disagree with this, and think it should change.. Well, it doesn't really matter because while you're sitting at home eating dorrito's and posting on a forum board how it should be done. Kyle and Mike are sitting in a office going over game plans and getting the checks.

I agree with the way the offense is going. RG3 Needs to be mobile to be successful at this moment. It could change in the future, but i'm not going to argue with a coaching staff that is putting up the NFL's most points, and a crap load of yards per game.

Iv'e actually only seen RG3 take maybe 2-3 REAL hits this season. The others are just tackles, and brush offs. I mean, like he said.. This is football right? You guys are to candy coated from the care bears that have put the QB position as some sacred non-hittable athlete on the field.

I remember watching 10 years ago, and I didn't see coaches going "Okay, how can we make sure that Cunningham doesn't get hit more"..

He's our best weapon.. We need to use him the best way possible. If defenses know he's not going to run because we are scared he's going to get hurt. Then what's the point of having a weapon like that?

Fans are funny..

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[quote=NC_Skins;945428]You guys are debating with a dude who wants players in the Al Davis mold (aka..fast), yet wants to bring in Plaxico. Think about that for a second.[/quote]

and wanted Gaffney over Garcon.

[QUOTE=Bucket;945456]Yeah I don't really acknowledge most of the things he post's because I think he's being sarcastic. Can't really tell at this point.

Offense is being run the way the coaches want to run it. If you disagree with this, and think it should change.. Well, it doesn't really matter because while you're sitting at home eating dorrito's and posting on a forum board how it should be done. Kyle and Mike are sitting in a office going over game plans and getting the checks.

I agree with the way the offense is going. RG3 Needs to be mobile to be successful at this moment. It could change in the future, but i'm not going to argue with a coaching staff that is putting up the NFL's most points, and a crap load of yards per game.

Iv'e actually only seen RG3 take maybe 2-3 REAL hits this season. The others are just tackles, and brush offs. I mean, like he said.. This is football right? You guys are to candy coated from the care bears that have put the QB position as some sacred non-hittable athlete on the field.

I remember watching 10 years ago, and I didn't see coaches going "Okay, how can we make sure that Cunningham doesn't get hit more"..

He's our best weapon.. We need to use him the best way possible. If defenses know he's not going to run because we are scared he's going to get hurt. Then what's the point of having a weapon like that?

Fans are funny..[/QUOTE]

Well just because we arent coaches doesnt mean we have to agree with what they do or the decisions they make. If your reason for saying that they are doing the rite thing is simply because they are coaches than i guess jim zorn and every other coach that has ever worked for every other team has done things the rite way. I happen to like the direction of the offense because we are scoring, but that doesnt mean others cant disagree.

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[quote=Mattyk;945427]Clemons is a late bloomer.

Philly and Oakland also gave up on him so...[/quote]

i dunno, he had like 8 sacks when he went to philly. he's not bad at what he does... maybe he's too 1-dimensional? i haven't really watched him since he left (forever ago).

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The defense needs to get better. Bottom line. USC and Matt Barkley could torch the Redskins defense for sure.

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[quote=RedskinRat;945386]Oh, come on! How can you be serious? He went to how many teams before he stabilized and had one good game?

The Skins are finally getting where they need to be and people are complaining about the the Shanahan's?

:Smoker:[/quote]


Gee let's see 6-10, 5-11, now off to a 1-2 start, with one of the worst defenses in the NFL and dependent entirely upon our extremely talented QB in order to have any offence at all. Which the geniuses running the show that is Kyle, and Mike, just spelling it out for you so don't miss the frigging point, clearly are intent on getting the kid killed with idiotic playing calling of let him take 20 -30 hits a game. Why do you think RBs only last till age 30 in this league?

Shanahan is a grade A prick, and a liar, afterall he is the one at the podium, and I quote, "I stake my reputation on it" that Rex Grossman and John Beck can play in this league, how exactly did that work out? Here we are year three, and same major issues, no depth on the o-line, and now a problematic secondary. Yet again our major free agents not exactly working out this season, not knocking Garcon, but he is needed in the worst possible way, if this foot injury ends up being a chronic thing, and as a fan I pray that it is not, are we going to have another Jamal Brown on our hands?

With respect to Clemons, and obviously nobody reads anything if it is long, I pointed out he bounced around the league. But there is a trend and no one can deny this that ex-Redskins go elsewhere and thrive, and just to make it clear for the recent era: Antonio Pierce, Ryan Clark, Champ Bailey, Carlos Rogers, Rheingold now at Buffalo and so on, I am sure there are plenty more examples.

So if anyone needs to stop smoking the funny stuff, it is you son.

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Why oh why did we let Robert Henson, H.B. Blades, Jabar Gaffney, Anthony Mix, Chris Horton, Anthony Alridge, Kevin Barnes, Jeremy Jarmon, Anthony Montgomery, Justin Geisinger, Khary Campbell, Durant Brooks, Dallas Sartz, James Davis, Ryan Torain, Anderson Russell, Damion Scott, and Joe Joseph go elsewhere and thrive????!!!! Damnit! Happens to the Redskins all the time!

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[quote=SmootSmack;945514]Why oh why did we let Robert Henson, H.B. Blades, Jabar Gaffney, Anthony Mix, Chris Horton, Anthony Alridge, Kevin Barnes, Jeremy Jarmon, Anthony Montgomery, Justin Geisinger, Khary Campbell, Durant Brooks, Dallas Sartz, James Davis, Ryan Torain, Anderson Russell, Damion Scott, and Joe Joseph go elsewhere and thrive????!!!! Damnit! Happens to the Redskins all the time![/quote]

You want to rip my post have it! Those guys are all garbage and just symptomatic of the overall poor drafting by this team ever since Bobby Beathard and Charley Casserly left town. You want to have your rose colored, or in this case burgundy-n-gold, glasses and all is well and the skins can do no wrong and Redskins management can do no wrong, have at it. Your the mod, your forum, your rules, got it!

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You want me to bring up failed Beathard and Casserly picks as well? Because I can. Don't use the "you're a mod" excuse when I challenge your post. If you can't handle the debate find somewhere else to talk Redskins

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;945503]The defense needs to get better. Bottom line. USC and Matt Barkley could torch the Redskins defense for sure.[/quote]

Bama would but not USC.

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[quote=SmootSmack;945519]You want me to bring up failed Beathard and Casserly picks as well? Because I can. Don't use the "you're a mod" excuse when I challenge your post. If you can't handle the debate find somewhere else to talk Redskins[/quote]

Casserly had some stinkers on the draft side and free agent side from 93 until he left when Snyder took over.

[QUOTE=CrustyRedskin;945520]Bama would but not USC.[/QUOTE]

No college offense could beat any NFL defense

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;945426]He weighed in at the combine at 223[/QUOTE]



But he hasn't seen him listed over 217. SMH.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;945394]I knew this already, but some people here needs their CPU taken away.[/quote]

Strange that you only want to take out a single part of their computer. Why not the whole thing?

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[quote=CapitalDefense;945404]Remember we are all on the same side here.
[B] We all want the Redskins to win football games.[/B][/quote]


You haven't been here long enough. :D


We have a few who don't.

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[quote=DirtBagZ;945518]You want to rip my post have it! Those guys are all garbage and just symptomatic of the overall poor drafting by this team ever since Bobby Beathard and Charley Casserly left town. You want to have your rose colored, or in this case burgundy-n-gold, glasses and all is well and the skins can do no wrong and Redskins management can do no wrong, have at it. Your the mod, your forum, your rules, got it![/quote]

I broke it dowwn a couple years ago so it may have changed, but, essentially, we were hitting on our draft picks with the same success rate that NE was. Pre-Shanallem, we traded picks away like they were going out of style so even though the success rate was similar, we had fewer players to show for it.

Considering that under Shanallen, we have drafted 27 players since Shanallen got here, and only 2 of those guys are no longer in the NFL, I would suggest that from a draft perspective, we have seen a sea change in the way this team is being built. Does it continue? We'll see. Will translate into a change on the field. Hopefully. Given the youth movement beginning in 2010, I would hope we see the transition this year.

It's game three. We have a tough schedule and real issues on the line and defensive backfield. At the same time, we have youth at both positions (Gomes, Bernstein, Crawford, Gettis, Compton, LeRibeus, Hurt). Does it develop? Hope so.

But it's the Skins so, if we cut them, they will inevitably be superstars elsewhere. Good thing we have had home grown talent to sustain us like London Fletcher, Santana Moss, Steve Bowen ... oh, wait.

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[quote=DirtBagZ;945512]Gee let's see 6-10, 5-11, now off to a 1-2 start, with one of the worst defenses in the NFL [/quote]

Dude, calm down.....


[quote=DirtBagZ;945512]and dependent entirely upon our extremely talented QB in order to have any offence at all. Which the geniuses running the show that is Kyle, and Mike, just spelling it out for you so don't miss the frigging point, clearly are intent on getting the kid killed with idiotic playing calling of let him take 20 -30 hits a game. Why do you think RBs only last till age 30 in this league?[/quote]

So they are to blame for the injuries from dirty hits too? Otay......

[quote=DirtBagZ;945512]Shanahan is a grade A prick, and a liar, afterall he is the one at the podium, and I quote, "I stake my reputation on it" that Rex Grossman and John Beck can play in this league, how exactly did that work out? [/quote]

A lot better than him going out and saying "We can't win with these guys"[/QUOTE]

[quote=DirtBagZ;945512]Here we are year three, and same major issues, no depth on the o-line, and now a problematic secondary. Yet again our major free agents not exactly working out this season, not knocking Garcon, but he is needed in the worst possible way, if this foot injury ends up being a chronic thing, and as a fan I pray that it is not, are we going to have another Jamal Brown on our hands?[/quote]

It is never going to be an immediate improvement.

[quote=DirtBagZ;945512]With respect to Clemons, and obviously nobody reads anything if it is long, I pointed out he bounced around the league. But there is a trend and no one can deny this that ex-Redskins go elsewhere and thrive, and just to make it clear for the recent era: Antonio Pierce, Ryan Clark, Champ Bailey, Carlos Rogers, Rheingold now at Buffalo and so on, I am sure there are plenty more examples.[/quote]

Pierce was with us for one season? When Rogers was here everyone bitched he couldn't catch, Bailey had to leave, etc....

I don't see a trend any more than with other teams. Some leave and do well, other don't.

[quote=DirtBagZ;945512]So if anyone needs to stop smoking the funny stuff, it is you son.[/quote]

Son?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;945557]No college offense could beat any NFL defense[/quote]

How could you be so sure about that? Some NFL defenses are pretty mediocre, like last season's New England Patriots squad that finished 32nd in defense. I can see Stanford, Baylor, Texas, Oklahoma, and USC lighting up that Patriots defense. The difference between the NCAA and the NFL is the speed of the game. But RG3 would hit Kendall Wright all day long on Belichick's pathetic Patriots defense.