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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKCBCUS73Z8]Tyrann Mathieu LSU Sophomore Year Highlight [2011] - YouTube[/url]

[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;1002950][url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKCBCUS73Z8]Tyrann Mathieu LSU Sophomore Year Highlight [2011] - YouTube[/url][/QUOTE]

Beast

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1002951]Beast[/quote]

I want him, whether it is 2nd or 3rd round.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1002952]I want him, whether it is 2nd or 3rd round.[/quote]
Honey Badger in the 2nd or 3rd is nuts imho


2nd Rd: Terron Armstead OT
3rd Rd: TJ McDonald SAF/(Eric Reid per Kiper thoughts)
4th Rd: Christine Michael RB
5th Rd: Duke Williams SAF/Cody Davis SAF
5th Rd: Brandon McGee CB
6th Rd: Dennard Robinson ATH
7th Rd: Jaron Brown WR Clemson

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[quote=30gut;1002954]Honey Badger in the 2nd or 3rd is nuts imho


2nd Rd: Terron Armstead OT
3rd Rd: TJ McDonald SAF/(Eric Reid per Kiper thoughts)
4th Rd: Christine Michael RB
5th Rd: Duke Williams SAF/Cody Davis SAF
5th Rd: Brandon McGee CB
6th Rd: Dennard Robinson ATH
7th Rd: Jaron Brown WR Clemson[/quote]

Coming from the guy who said Cam Newton was the "best" QB prospect he had ever seen after his rookie season, so i take that with a grain of salt. By the way I would hate it if that was how our draft went.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1002965]Coming from the guy who said Cam Newton was the "best" QB prospect he had ever seen after his rookie season, so i take that with a grain of salt. By the way I would hate it if that was how our draft went.[/quote]

I don't know why you trashed 30gut's mock draft without bothering to offer your reasons. Every player he listed has great athletic ability, good to outstanding size, and has shown NFL potential. His picks also address the Skins' primary needs and he has placed his picks in appropriate rounds.

Some of these players have a few warts, but don't we all?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1002977]I don't know why you trashed 30gut's mock draft without bothering to offer your reasons. Every player he listed has great athletic ability, good to outstanding size, and has shown NFL potential. His picks also address the Skins' primary needs and he has placed his picks in appropriate rounds.

Some of these players have a few warts, but don't we all?[/quote]


Did I trash it or did I say I would hate it? He trashed my pick of Mathieu in the 2nd or 3rd round by saying it was nuts. Anything else you wanna know???

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1002978]Did I trash it or did I say I would hate it? He trashed my pick of Mathieu in the 2nd or 3rd round by saying it was nuts. Anything else you wanna know???[/quote]

you got any warts? I dont

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[quote=Chico23231;1002979]you got any warts? I dont[/quote]


Nope, i use Preparation H.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1002978]Did I trash it or did I say I would hate it? He trashed my pick of Mathieu in the 2nd or 3rd round by saying it was nuts. Anything else you wanna know???[/quote]

Yes. When are you going to grow up?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1002984]Yes. When are you going to grow up?[/quote]


I am 24 so in the eyes of the law I am already grown up. Anything else??

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1002950][url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKCBCUS73Z8]Tyrann Mathieu LSU Sophomore Year Highlight [2011] - YouTube[/url][/quote]

what his highlights/lowlights tape. You see him being pushed around fairly easily by future NFL WRs and non NFL WRs. Plus if you look at Nickell Robey, the USC CB who is small like Mathieu, you'll see he can do a lot of things better than mathieu, particularly in coverage. I'd like to have mathieu, but not till the 3rd at least.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1002965]Coming from the guy who said Cam Newton was the "best" QB prospect he had ever seen after his rookie season, so i take that with a grain of salt. .[/quote]Dang dude, why you so salty?
BTW lets set facts straight:
I said Cam was the best QB prospect I have ever seen [I][B][U]before[/U][/B][/I] his rookie season.

(I started feeling that way after the Iron Bowl game. I have never seen a QB carry his team to victory like that, in the SEC no less against a power house pro-style team. One of the best college games I've seen.)

And I stand by that, I mean do you remember Cam's rookie season? Lol, I don't see how pointing my opinions on Cam, an instance where I was clearly right, takes away from my opinions?

[quote]By the way I would hate it if that was how our draft went[/quote]
Then I must be on the right track.

-Cheers!
HTTR

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[quote=30gut;1003002]Dang dude, why you so salty?
BTW lets set facts straight:
I said Cam was the best QB prospect I have ever seen [I][B][U]before[/U][/B][/I] his rookie season.

(I started feeling that way after the Iron Bowl game. I have never seen a QB carry his team to victory like that, in the SEC no less against a power house pro-style team. One of the best college games I've seen.)

And I stand by that, I mean do you remember Cam's rookie season? Lol, I don't see how pointing my opinions on Cam, an instance where I was clearly right, takes away from my opinions?


Then I must be on the right track.

-Cheers!
HTTR[/quote]


You stand behind your statement, I stand behind mine. Not salty at all.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1002978]... He trashed my pick of Mathieu in the 2nd or 3rd round by saying it was nuts. Anything else you wanna know???[/quote]I didn't intend to 'trash' your willingness to spend a 2nd or 3rd on Mathieu. I just think it would be one hellva reach, and I think reaching in general is a bad idea, and therefore I think reaching 2 maybe 3 rounds crazy.

The idea of the draft is to get the player you want as late as you can.
Not draft the player you want as soon as you can.

Tyrann's evaluation for me comes down to his size or lack there of and speed or lack there of to play outside CB in the NFL. A lot of his playmaking is centered around fumbles forced/recovered but fumble recoveries have an element of randomness that I discount when viewing turnovers. It would be different if Tyrann had a ton of interceptions. His saving grace is his KR/PR ability. Then when you throw in the fact that the dude is a recovering pothead on a team with substance abuse issues. Well, you get the picture of where I am it with Tyrann. I like the kid as an inside CB and PR/KR but there are a bunch of CBs I would take before him like DJ Hayden, Darius Slay, Jordan Poyer, Robert Alford, Blidi-Wreh not to mention I like Richard Crawford more. If I wanted Tyrann I'd take him 5th round, 4th at the earliest.
But you know, Honey Badger...lol, he don't care...

Cheers, bro

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I wouldn't go Mathieu in the 2nd, but right around the 3rd or 4th is probably where you start to see the value.

[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;1002952]I want him, whether it is 2nd or 3rd round.[/QUOTE]

I'm with u man, he's a difference maker in the secondary

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[quote=30gut;1003009]I didn't intend to 'trash' your willingness to spend a 2nd or 3rd on Mathieu. I just think it would be one hellva reach, and I think reaching in general is a bad idea, and therefore I think reaching 2 maybe 3 rounds crazy.

The idea of the draft is to get the player you want as late as you can.
Not draft the player you want as soon as you can.

Tyrann's evaluation for me comes down to his size or lack there of and speed or lack there of to play outside CB in the NFL. A lot of his playmaking is centered around fumbles forced/recovered but fumble recoveries have an element of randomness that I discount when viewing turnovers. It would be different if Tyrann had a ton of interceptions. His saving grace is his KR/PR ability. Then when you throw in the fact that the dude is a recovering pothead on a team with substance abuse issues. Well, you get the picture of where I am it with Tyrann. I like the kid as an inside CB and PR/KR but there are a bunch of CBs I would take before him like DJ Hayden, Darius Slay, Jordan Poyer, Robert Alford, Blidi-Wreh not to mention I like Richard Crawford more. If I wanted Tyrann I'd take him 5th round, 4th at the earliest.
But you know, Honey Badger...lol, he don't care...

Cheers, bro[/quote]

Ur good. I feel he is an Impact playmaker better a round too early than a pick too late

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[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2013/4/11/4214354/redskins-mockfive-draft-results]Redskins #MockFive Draft Results - Hogs Haven[/url]

What do you think of this draft.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1003083][url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2013/4/11/4214354/redskins-mockfive-draft-results]Redskins #MockFive Draft Results - Hogs Haven[/url]

What do you think of this draft.[/quote]

Looks good, good corner, good olinemen, and a possible steal at receiver. Not sure if the skins will take Barner seeing as how Shanahan does not really draft running backs that are under 200 pounds but you never know.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1003083][url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2013/4/11/4214354/redskins-mockfive-draft-results]Redskins #MockFive Draft Results - Hogs Haven[/url]

What do you think of this draft.[/quote]I could get with that draft.
Barner *shrugs* he aight I guess there are other backs in that range I prefer

Don't like these 2 picks or prospects:
Kwame Geathers
Conner Vernon

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1003083][url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2013/4/11/4214354/redskins-mockfive-draft-results]Redskins #MockFive Draft Results - Hogs Haven[/url]

What do you think of this draft.[/quote]

I don't like that draft.


I Love it.

The only pick I would change is the Clemson safety. I would get ray ray instead or mcdougald from Kansas at that point. But Vernon is a great pick very good slot WR. Kwame geathers is an NFL sibling, and was a backup at Georgia to 1st rounder John Jenkins. Oh and he is HUGE. Johnathan banks is a great CB, played in the best conference in college football, against future high pick WRs and fared well. He's looked at as a 2nd rounder because he didn't run his forty fast enough. I don't care about that. The tape says he can play.
Duke Williams will be a redskin, it's just a matter of what round. He can hit, he can cover, and he can play multiple positions as a DB. Think of a young Ryan Clark.

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if Mathieu was not suspended he would be a 1st round pick. His issues are all mental as far as I am concerned

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1003102]if Mathieu was not suspended he would be a 1st round pick. His issues are all mental as far as I am concerned[/quote]

Took the words right outta my mouth.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1003102]if Mathieu was not suspended he would be a 1st round pick. [B]His issues are all mental as far as I am concerned[/B][/quote]

Just like Vernon Gholston, Maurice Clarett, Jamarcus Russell, etc. Their issues were all mental, too. Where are they now?

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1003083][url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2013/4/11/4214354/redskins-mockfive-draft-results]Redskins #MockFive Draft Results - Hogs Haven[/url]

What do you think of this draft.[/quote]

I think he did a very good job. I would be excited by the potential of this crop of rookies.

Bearing in mind that he drafted against other people who represented their teams of choice, this draft probably looks more like what the Skins could actually accomplish than the drafts that some of us have posted. And it looks to me like they might be able to accomplish a lot. I can hardly wait for the real draft.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1003102]if Mathieu was not suspended he would be a 1st round pick. His issues are all mental as far as I am concerned[/quote]

Todd McShay had him as a second round prospect without the mental issues.
I am pretty sure Mike Mayock graded had him as a third/fourth round prospect just based on film.
I think Kiper had him as a second round propsect, but now due to the mental issues he is at best a third round prospect.

I do not think a corner like him would have been taken in the first round, due to the fact that he is not tall enough or has the right skills to play on the outside, nor is he strong enough to play safety. So he really is limited to slot corner/free lance kind of player and those type of players don't go in the first round.

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[quote=Lotus;1003114]Just like Vernon Gholston, Maurice Clarett, Jamarcus Russell, etc. Their issues were all mental, too. Where are they now?[/quote]

JaMarcus Russell and Clarett both had physical issues as well. Gholston was just a bust.

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[quote=donofriose;1003116]Todd McShay had him as a second round prospect without the mental issues.
I am pretty sure Mike Mayock graded had him as a third/fourth round prospect just based on film.
I think Kiper had him as a second round propsect, but now due to the mental issues he is at best a third round prospect.

I do not think a corner like him would have been taken in the first round, due to the fact that he is not tall enough or has the right skills to play on the outside, nor is he strong enough to play safety. So he really is limited to slot corner/free lance kind of player and those type of players don't go in the first round.[/quote]


Mayock had him as a 4th round pick before he was suspended? Show me where that is, I just wanna see it.

Kareem Jackson was a first round pick. He is barely 5'10"
Kyle Wilson was a first round pick. He is barely 5'10"
Leodis McKelvin was a top 15 pick.

Point is size is not as big of an issue as some are making it. Mathieu is 5'8 3/4 and 186 pounds. Is he small? Sure? Could he get pushed around? Absolutely, but fact is the kid can flat out play and was a heisman finalist from the CB position. Either you can play or you can't and I think at the end of the day he will be a top 5 defensive player from this draft.

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[url=http://httr24-7.com/draft/a-lighter-look-at-shannys-draft-philosophy/]A Lighter Look At Shanny’s Draft Philosophy[/url]

Thought this was funny as well as make you think?

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Is the cap projected to go up next year. Part of me likes to think that we're getting 18 million in cap space next year but seeing as how contracts are usually designed to increase against the cap throughout the life of the contract you would have players getting paid more this year then the previous year and so on, and on top of that they're probably restructuring deals with the incoming space in mind.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;1003230]Is the cap projected to go up next year. Part of me likes to think that we're getting 18 million in cap space next year but seeing as how contracts are usually designed to increase against the cap throughout the life of the contract you would have players getting paid more this year then the previous year and so on, and on top of that they're probably restructuring deals with the incoming space in mind.[/quote]

Maybe something small like a mil or two, but it wont be substantial. It should start getting decent gains again in 2015 and beyond when the new TV contracts start getting accounted for.

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ya, next year might go up maybe 2 or 3 mil, anything over that I would be very surprised.................

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/draft-war-room/0ap2000000159089/Draft-war-room-Redskins]Draft war room: Washington Redskins - NFL Videos[/url]

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1003243][url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/draft-war-room/0ap2000000159089/Draft-war-room-Redskins]Draft war room: Washington Redskins - NFL Videos[/url][/quote]

What do you think of this Charlie Casserly comment in the video: "To me, they (the Redskins) don't have a bona fide starter at corner or at safety."?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1003252]What do you think of this Charlie Casserly comment in the video: "To me, they (the Redskins) don't have a bona fide starter at corner or at safety."?[/quote]

Not far from the truth unfortunately. I would say we have starters, just not good ones. Depends on your view about how to interpret bona fide i guess...

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1003252]What do you think of this Charlie Casserly comment in the video: "To me, they (the Redskins) don't have a bona fide starter at corner or at safety."?[/quote]

I agree 100%. We don't have a bona fide starter at either position. Casserly is smart and knows what he's talking about.

Also heres the segment on Lavar and Dukes with NFLdraftscout talking redskins and tyrann mathieu

[url=http://washington.cbslocal.com/audio/356-lavar-dukes/segment-11-matt-miller/]Audio On Demand « CBS DC[/url]

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1003252]What do you think of this Charlie Casserly comment in the video: "To me, they (the Redskins) don't have a bona fide starter at corner or at safety."?[/quote]True for the SAF spots but a lil bit of hyperbole on the CBs.

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[quote=30gut;1003261]True for the SAF spots but a lil bit of hyperbole on the CBs.[/quote]

I just feel that, as a group, our defensive backs may not be as bad as Charlie Casserly thinks.

Both DHall and Wilson have played well at CB for long stretches.

At safety, I think that Meriweather and Tanard Jackson are good NFL football players. We just need to get them both on the field for a full season. Reed Doughty is just what you want as a backup safety and ST player.

Getting Orakpo and (hopefully) Carriker back should help the pass rush, which, of course, should help the DB's.

As someone who remembers the Over The Hill Gang that George Allen assembled, I believe that a group of smart, experienced players who play well as a unit can achieve far more than one might think when looking at the individual talent on paper. Our DB's just need to stay healthy and free from suspensions.

Of course we need to add young, talented DB's in the draft, and I think we will, but the vets are still going to have to carry us in 2013.

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again idc when but I want DJ Swearinger at some point