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I hate that talib is still out there it's like the nfl and patriots are taunting us with him still being out there.

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[quote=SirLK26;998654]But then all the good free agents are taken. If I were the Redskins, I wouldn't bring any free agents; I would wait for the draft.[/quote]

Not necessarily you look at last year Jacob Tamme was signed in late march, I want to say on March 23rd or 24th, he had a good year for the Broncos. I think their other tight end was signed on the same day in Dreessen.

You look at Donnie Avery he was signed around that same time period and made around 600,000 and he had 60 catches for the Colts this past year.

Ravens got Corey Graham in late march and he made less than a million and he played well for the Ravens.

You will be surprised at who is available toward the end of free agency.

My take on signing free agents is don't go for the names you go for the value, and the longer you can wait the more value you can obtain. I am not saying wait until August to fill your roster. But I am saying have some patience let the market pay out and see who is available at your price, not theirs. A lot of those late value players will end up playing important roles.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;998660]I hate that talib is still out there it's like the nfl and patriots are taunting us with him still being out there.[/quote]

Or maybe he's just not that good.

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[quote=Lotus;998665]Or maybe he's just not that good.[/quote]
Well surely you've seen him play right? Do you believe what you just said?

Talib is a very good corner.

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I never realized FD changed his number :doh:

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[quote=CultBrennan59;998660]I hate that talib is still out there it's like the nfl and patriots are taunting us with him still being out there.[/quote]

Wondering what Pitt is doing with Lewis, Tampa is doing with Biggers, even the Bears with Moore (they already said they have no intention of bringing him back).

A lot of these corners are solid or show some potential. It will be interesting to see what happens. Pacman Jones is still out there too.

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I hate that Fred Davis is seen as a priority. He's so replaceable in my opinion.. Can't block at all and that scares me with our QB.

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[quote=IrMitchell;998672]I hate that Fred Davis is seen as a priority. He's so replaceable in my opinion.. Can't block at all and that scares me with our QB.[/quote]

I'm not as down on him as you are, but he should definely not be any sort of priority. We can get by without a fast, past catching TE for one year. Next year we'll have tons of cap space and can splurge on non-necessities like that in FA.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;998675]I'm not as down on him as you are, but he should definely not be any sort of priority. We can get by without a fast, past catching TE for one year. Next year we'll have tons of cap space and can splurge on non-necessities like that in FA.[/quote]
Or we could do what the Colts did and draft some 3rd/4th rounder and start him. Historically late round TE's do perform well.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;998600]Yup. If we lose Fred, its not the worst thing in the world. We had a potent offense without him for much of last year. Given all our other needs, TE is not a position worth breaking the bank for, especially not one coming of a major injury and one mistake away from a 1 year suspension.

We can get buy with paulsen and a cheaper, pass catching TE this year. Next year, we'll have plenty of money to splurge on"non-essential but "nice to have" guys like Davis.[/quote]

Basically agree with this. Lunch Pale Logan can be just as effective TE as Davis, albeit in a different way. Logan is bigger/taller and will dominate defenders in the redzone/endzone if he tightens up his routes and continues to improve his hands.

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[quote=Pigskins;998646]I think RG3 playing with a bad knee was why we couldn't pick up first downs, Davis wouldn't have won us that game[/quote]

RG3's knee was not the only reason we lost to Seattle. In order to beat the better teams, we're going to need playmakers that can get the ball in the end zone. Davis can do that better than Cooley, Paul and Paulsen.

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[quote=skinsfan69;998683]RG3's knee was not the only reason we lost to Seattle. In order to beat the better teams, we're going to need playmakers that can get the ball in the end zone. Davis can do that better than Cooley, Paul and Paulsen.[/quote]

I think it comes down to what cost though. Redskins probably assessed Davis's value and if he wants more than what he is worth and some one else is going to give that to him, than they should let him go.

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I gotta say, with PG our offense was on one level, and FD was a level of explosiveness above Paulson, so I would really like to see our offense run with Garcon, FD, Morris on the field at one time. Granted without Banks we may never score again, but someone from the offense had to be sacrificed at the salary cap altar.

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Davis definitely adds an element to the offense that can't be replicated by Paulsen. If we lose Davis it's a hit to the offense no doubt.

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[quote=Mattyk;998689]Davis definitely adds an element to the offense that can't be replicated by Paulsen. If we lose Davis it's a hit to the offense no doubt.[/quote]

Nope I won't listen; CB makes or breaks you everything else is gravy.

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[quote=mredskins;998690]Nope I won't listen; CB makes or breaks you everything else is gravy.[/quote]

eh?

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[quote=Mattyk;998689]Davis definitely adds an element to the offense that can't be replicated by Paulsen. If we lose Davis it's a hit to the offense no doubt.[/quote]

We put up plenty of points without him. Having Garcon and him on the field at the same time would have been incredible.

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[quote=Mattyk;998691]eh?[/quote]

Colt Brennan makes or breaks us.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;998696]Colt Brennan makes or breaks us.[/quote]

That's why still have the avatar. Just awaiting for his comeback.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;998696]Colt Brennan makes or breaks us.[/quote]

That's what I thought.

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[quote=Mattyk;998699]That's what I thought.

Pineapple Jesus lives.[/quote]

Forever and ever. Amen.

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Yep, taking over Zo's role IMO.

Re: Official Redskins Free Agency Thread 2013
 

[quote=Mattyk;998689]Davis definitely adds an element to the offense that can't be replicated by Paulsen. If we lose Davis it's a hit to the offense no doubt.[/quote]

I agree. I remember the first game of the 2011 season where Davis had his first 100 yard career game against the Giants. But that drug suspension and trying to come off this Achilles injury has lowered his potential for a big contract that he probably will never receive. But I'm willing to bet that some team in the NFL would be willing to give him a better deal than the Redskins. Besides, else could there be that is taking the Redskins so long to present Davis a contract?

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We need a solid veteran CB. But we can't afford Davis if we do that. To get a Talib (Or Fred Davis back, for that matter) or similiar, we are going to have to cut/restructure more guys. Thats probably the hold up right now, no one willing to step up and restructure...

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[quote=skinsy;998711]We need a solid veteran CB. But we can't afford Davis if we do that. To get a Talib (Or Fred Davis back, for that matter) or similiar, we are going to have to cut/restructure more guys. Thats probably the hold up right now, no one willing to step up and restructure...[/quote]

I still think we will end up with Talib. How?? No idea. But I think it will still happen.

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[quote=Mattyk;998699]That's what I thought.

Pineapple Jesus lives.[/quote]

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all the TE equivalents of davis are gone. there's him and keller left, and davis is the better option. our offense isn't as good without him (assuming his injury is fully healed by sept).

it looks like davis and a CB is what we need before the draft. i'd love to grab a safety (and vollmer at RT) too, but i don't think we'll get that far.

philly added kenny phillips and connor barwin today. that sucks. decent players at low cost.

If Talib was so great why did Tampa let him go for nothing?

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[quote=IrMitchell;998667]Well surely you've seen him play right? Do you believe what you just said?

Talib is a very good corner.[/quote]

Actually Talib's numbers (posted earlier in this thread) show that he is rather middle-of-the-road ordinary. Added to this, of course, are his off-field concerns.

Yet some folks here (not pointing at you) treat him like he was Revis or something. I'm not buying.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;998722]If Talib was so great why did Tampa let him go for nothing?[/quote]

Technically Peyton Manning was let go by the Colts for nothing too. I wouldn't judge a player's talent by how the team or coach treats that player. There can be other reasons that a player is cut.

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[quote=skinsy;998711]We need a solid veteran CB. But we can't afford Davis if we do that. To get a Talib (Or Fred Davis back, for that matter) or similiar, we are going to have to cut/restructure more guys. [B]Thats probably the hold up right now, no one willing to step up and restructure[/B]...[/quote]

It's not hard to find someone to restructure. No one is going to turn down more money now rather than later.

Skins are just waiting for the CB market to cool off, gain some leverage, and then go after some guys. They'll clear up room as needed as they go. No sense in opening up $5M in space now and lose some leverage in the process. They can play the woe is us we have no cap room to their advantage.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;998722]If Talib was so great why did Tampa let him go for nothing?[/quote]

I so hate when people ask this question. The coaches that were there when Talib was drafted were not the same that let him go.

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[quote=Lotus;998723]Actually Talib's numbers (posted earlier in this thread) show that he is rather middle-of-the-road ordinary. Added to this, of course, are is off-field concerns.

Yet some folks here (not pointing at you) treat him like he was Revis or something. I'm not buying.[/quote]

Don't think he is Revis but I think he is an above average corner who would be our best defensive back on the team.

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[quote=Mattyk;998726]It's not hard to find someone to restructure. No one is going to turn down more money now rather than later.

Skins are just waiting for the CB market to cool off, gain some leverage, and then go after some guys. They'll clear up room as needed as they go. No sense in opening up $5M in space now and lose some leverage in the process. They can play the woe is us we have no cap room to their advantage.[/quote]

And I believe it will.

Re: Official Redskins Free Agency Thread 2013
 

Originally Posted By [B]That Guy:[/B] [I]all the TE equivalents of davis are gone. there's him and keller left, [B]and davis is the better option.[/B] our offense isn't as good without him (assuming his injury is fully healed by sept).[/I]

Its really hard to gauge Freddy's value right now. Despite his talents, he wasn't really being utilized early last year before the injury. Add in the Ganja suspension and the bum Achilles, and you have to wonder how indespinsible he is to the Skins...

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[quote=skinsy;998732]That Guy: [I]all the TE equivalents of davis are gone. there's him and keller left, [B]and davis is the better option.[/B] our offense isn't as good without him (assuming his injury is fully healed by sept).[/I]

Its really hard to gauge Freddy's value right now. Despite his talents, he wasn't really being utilized early last year before the injury. Add in the Ganja suspension and the bum Achilles, and you have to wonder how indespinsible he is to the Skins...[/quote]

He's not exactly indispensable because of the good class of TE's in the draft, but still fairly important. I've always thought a good tight end is part of that championship formula.

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we need to use the draft to get DBs and maybe an OT. i think picking a TE there is probably not best use if we can get davis back somewhat cheaply. he's not exactly in line for a monster payday right now.

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Looks like the Pats are gonna be running a lot of 3TE sets.

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We just signed Trueblood and resigned Kehl

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