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Question ,(honestly) how do you atheist explain miracles then ?Such as this man ?


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtRHGWKqAGE]Padre Pio-Miracles - YouTube[/ame]

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or this ?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpTk0Ie6vII]Evidence for Miracles in Modern Times: The Incorruptible Saints - YouTube[/ame]

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Oh, the dude who 'self-inflicted' stigmata?

If the church held prospective saints up to a more rigorous test there's be no saints.

Really sad exploitation of poor, stupid masses.


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[quote=Giantone;1060410]
Question ,(honestly) how do you atheist explain miracles then ?Such as this man ?
[/quote]

What exactly is the "miracle" here?


[url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1567216/Italys-Padre-Pio-faked-his-stigmata-with-acid.html]Italy's Padre Pio 'faked his stigmata with acid' - Telegraph[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;1060414]What exactly is the "miracle" here?


[URL="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1567216/Italys-Padre-Pio-faked-his-stigmata-with-acid.html"]Italy's Padre Pio 'faked his stigmata with acid' - Telegraph[/URL][/quote]


read it .

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[quote=RedskinRat;1060413]Oh, the dude who 'self-inflicted' stigmata?

If the church held prospective saints up to a more rigorous test there's be no saints.

Really sad exploitation of poor, stupid masses.


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LOL, nothing was self inflicted that has been proven ,next ?

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[quote=Giantone;1060435]read it .[/quote]

[i]"Padre Pio, Italy's most-loved saint, faked his stigmata by pouring carbolic acid on his hands..."[/i]

maybe NC's not the one that needs reading lessons.

or did you mean the part were the church that makes money off his sainthood dismissed the evidence because the truth would hurt their interests? come on, man, this is weak.

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[quote=That Guy;1060438][I]"Padre Pio, Italy's most-loved saint, faked his stigmata by pouring carbolic acid on his hands..."[/I]

maybe NC's not the one that needs reading lessons.

or did you mean the part were the church that makes money off his sainthood dismissed the evidence because the truth would hurt their interests? come on, man, this is weak.[/quote]


I said read it because it admits the document was from the Catholic Church own archive's .It is also the only thing going against all the other eye witnesses'. I admit I don't know why I'm surprised that you guys don't believe it ,you think guys think the NRA is looking out for you .

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[quote=NC_Skins;1060414]What exactly is the "miracle" here?


[URL="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1567216/Italys-Padre-Pio-faked-his-stigmata-with-acid.html"]Italy's Padre Pio 'faked his stigmata with acid' - Telegraph[/URL][/quote]



[url=http://listverse.com/2008/07/14/top-10-astonishing-miracles/]Top 10 Astonishing Miracles - Listverse[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;1060540]I said read it because it admits the document was from the Catholic Church own archive's .It is also the only thing going against all the other eye witnesses'. I admit I don't know why I'm surprised that you guys don't believe it ,you think guys think the NRA is looking out for you .[/quote]

I sure don't think that the NRA is looking out for me. But Padre Pio was a fake. His "wounds" disappeared right after death in a way that would not have happened if he truly had been bleeding. I think he was a benign pious fake: he wasn't trying to put people on, he was just trying to imitate Jesus. Nonetheless there is no miracle with him.

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[quote=That Guy;1060438][I]"Padre Pio, Italy's most-loved saint, faked his stigmata by pouring carbolic acid on his hands..."[/I]

maybe NC's not the one that needs reading lessons.

or did you mean the part were the church that makes money off his sainthood dismissed the evidence because the truth would hurt their interests? come on, man, this is weak.[/quote]


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF0_ysUivxE]Dancing Sun Miracle - Divine Mercy Hills, Philippines - YouTube[/ame]

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[quote=Lotus;1060543]I sure don't think that the NRA is looking out for me. But Padre Pio was a fake. His "wounds" disappeared right after death in a way that would not have happened if he truly had been bleeding. I think he was a benign pious fake: he wasn't trying to put people on, he was just trying to imitate Jesus. Nonetheless there is no miracle with him.[/quote]




I understand that is your opinion but not true .

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz9L2EYjjsc]Science Tests Faith - YouTube[/ame]

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G1, now I just feel sorry for you. What an awful life, to be so desperate.

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[quote=Giantone;1060546]I understand that is your opinion but not true .

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz9L2EYjjsc]Science Tests Faith - YouTube[/url][/quote]

I would be happy if Padre Pio were a true stigmatist. But he wasn't.

Padre Pio in fact was an example of a problem with most supposed stigmatists: they get the wounds wrong. The Romans crucified through the wrist, not the palms, since hand bones are not strong enough to hold up the body. In the Middle Ages artists began depicting the wounds in the wrong place, the palms. Thus stigmatists who have bleeding hands and palms are imitating art, not the true life Jesus.

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i bet you believe in the easter bunny too.

i'm sorry you're a sucker for shams and false prophets, but if you want any traction you'll have to come up with a better argument than "because i said so".

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[quote=That Guy;1060561]i bet you believe in the easter bunny too.

i'm sorry you're a sucker for shams and false prophets, but if you want any traction you'll have to come up with a better argument than "because i said so".[/quote]


No , not really .I made my case you not only don't like it but it is irritating to you and so the Easter bunny shot comes out .

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It's only irritating because it is beyond idiotic but you continue to deny the stupidity.

Your the guy at work whose argument is "b/c that's how we always do it" - even though it is clear to everyone, but him, that he is wrong - and he is just making everyone's day a little harder b/c of his stupidity. It's that kind of irritating.

G1, you're kidding, right? I can't take this seriously.

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[quote=Lotus;1060555]I would be happy if Padre Pio were a true stigmatist. But he wasn't.

Padre Pio in fact was an example of a problem with most supposed stigmatists: they get the wounds wrong. The Romans crucified through the wrist, not the palms, since hand bones are not strong enough to hold up the body. In the Middle Ages artists began depicting the wounds in the wrong place, the palms. Thus stigmatists who have bleeding hands and palms are imitating art, not the true life Jesus.[/quote]

Actually alot of the crucified were also tied down at different parts (neck, shoulders, arms, waist etc.) on the cross because of tearing at the limbs. The act of striking into the wrist, base of palm, or actual palm had to do more with the message: pain to the subject and instilling fear in the community.

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Correct. The act of crucifying (historically) was not death by bleeding or from the nails, but more of a suffocation and literal drowning. They were tied as you said, because joints would often come dislocated and they wanted them to remain on the cross to die slowly. Some crosses were also more of a 'Y" shape to put more pressure on the lungs and make it more difficult to breathe so they'd fill with fluid. Many hanging on the cross would have a nail below or through their ankles/feet that they'd have to use to push themselves up to take a breath of air...sounds horribly painful. When pierced (like Jesus), the water that was recorded to come out was the fluid from the lungs. He was not pierced to see if he was dead, it was to make sure he was.

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I hope G1 is trolling us.... if not..../facepalm

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Think about this for a second.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1060619]I hope G1 is trolling us.... if not..../facepalm[/quote]

He's a Giants fan from NJ. I know many Giants fans and people from NJ in real life and I don't doubt for a second that GI is just being himself.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1060623]Think about this for a second.

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Easy explanation. Jesus did not have a private jet. They weren't invented yet.

Also, camels and donkeys cannot swim.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1060623]Think about this for a second.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/MAgQWlr.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Pretty awesome to think God made of all that and then included us

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I fully agree with you and just think of the others out in our universe and other universes and solar systems , seems pretty cool .

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Not a pic , sorry but pretty cool anyway .


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsgKp_Vf6wI]Largest known planet - biggest star ever seen - YouTube[/ame]

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[quote=NC_Skins;1060623]Think about this for a second.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/MAgQWlr.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

This is one reason why Buddhism and Hinduism might fit better in the modern scientific world. Both of these religions projected long ago that there are other worlds, other solar systems, etc. On the other hand the Bible is completely Earth-centric and, as your graphic points out, especially Middle East-centric.

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[url=http://www.nbcnews.com/science/space/astronomers-find-715-more-planets-amid-crippled-probes-data-n39326]Astronomers Find 715 More Planets Amid Crippled Probe's Data - NBC News[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;1060633]Pretty awesome to think God made of all that and then included us[/quote]

No, pretty delusional to think a supreme being created all that and only showed his "works" in one location.

Besides, if he's so powerful, how come it took him 6 days to create? Why not one?

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[quote=NC_Skins;1060676]No, pretty delusional to think a supreme being created all that and only showed his "works" in one location.

Besides, if he's so powerful, how come it took him 6 days to create? Why not one?[/quote]

Because it was a lot of work to get done and then he rested on the seventh day like a boss.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1060676]No, pretty delusional to think a supreme being created all that and only showed his "works" in one location.

[B]Besides, if he's so powerful, how come it took him 6 days to create? Why not one?[/B][/quote]

'Cuz he was taking his time, stopping every now and then for a puff of the kind.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1060676]No, pretty delusional to think a supreme being created all that and [B]only showed his "works" in one location[/B].

Besides, if he's so powerful, how come it took him 6 days to create? Why not one?[/quote]

'Cause it wouldn't have done us much good if, when showing his works to us, he did them on Alpha Centuari. At the same time, I would imagine he spoke to the Alpha Centaurians in a somewhat different manner than the King James Bible.

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[quote=Chico23231;1060677]Because it was a lot of work to get done and then he rested on the seventh day [B]like a boss[/B].[/quote]

There is only one Boss and thou shalt have no other Boss before him.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1060623]Think about this for a second.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/MAgQWlr.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

It's not really a complicated idea to think that a god would choose one geographic area to demonstrate and teach his creation. A child may move throughout the earth as he/she grows up but a parent will do most important teachings at an early age and in the home environment. You don't just do random actions anywhere, you set out examples and use consistent settings.

Likewise as JR said, we don't know where else a god might choose to demonstrate his existence in the universe. Perhaps if science ever makes intergalactic travel a reality we will find that he has revealed himself similarly on many planets, or perhaps we don't but to say the vastness of space somehow bears witness against a creator is just blather.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1060699]' At the same time, I would imagine he spoke to the Alpha Centaurians in a somewhat different manner than the King James Bible.[/quote]

Probably so. I imagine he'd drop a video game in the midst of their mobile home park to test their skills in religious faith.



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