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.....Creating your "truth" out of the air to fit the most dramatic scenario possible is for "reality tv", not reality......

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[QUOTE=SirLK26;1118308]In the end, he works for ESPN. ESPN is in the entertainment business, not the truth business. And with the Redskins especially, truth doesn't matter. The narrative is out there that Washington is a dysfunctional circus(not saying that's not true to some degree), so any report that supports that narrative is automatically assumed to be true by the vast majority of people. Schefter and Diana and whoever else could have easily pulled these reports out of their ass and reported it as coming from a "source" because even if they're wrong no one will remember.[/QUOTE]


Diana or whoever is probably trying to make names for self.

However, I wouldn't put schefter in that boat. Sheehan and Loverro on espn980 try to bait him every Wednesday on his weekly segment and schefter never takes it...redskins or nfl. He's not the sensationalist, will say anything for attention crap journalist that permeates most of Espn.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1118303]I think this backs up the rumors i heard.

SM and JG want to get rid of RG3 - Dan Snyder tells them that they either play him or they will be fired. Not so hard to believe.

RG3 the coach killer stays in Washington - JG, and SM fired - [B]Snyder takes control of the team for the rest of the season[/B] until another GM and HC is hired. Totally believable IMO[/quote]

Of course! He shows up in the locker room, points a gun at everyone, and says, "raise your hand if you don't think RG3 is a great qb." Then the first idiot stupid enough to raise his hand gets shot, and everyone else stays along for the ride. TL;DR: I too believe Snyder is so power hungry that he wants to be owner, GM, and head coach. Hell, if RG3 got injured in that scenario, he'd probably tell the equipment manager to suit him up so he can play qb too.

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I can TOTALLY buy the owner and Bruce....resisting(not to mention B and D drafted him...SM and Jay did not). I would too! He has a fortune in Robert. How's the conversation go
Dan: "DAMN boys! I paid a shitload of cash and picks to get this kid. We damn near kill him 6 or 8 times and now you tell me he sucks and you want to start 3rd round KC that I got $18 in?
Well F.. Me Runnin'!!...Shit Shit Shit!!!
OK give me tonight to get my head around this and we'll revisit in the morning"
I can believe that.

Play him or your both fired even though he sucks....I don't think so

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[quote=mooby;1118314][B]Of course! He shows up in the locker room, points a gun at everyone, and says, "raise your hand if you don't think RG3 is a great qb.[/B]" Then the first idiot stupid enough to raise his hand gets shot, and everyone else stays along for the ride. TL;DR: I too believe Snyder is so power hungry that he wants to be owner, GM, and head coach. Hell, if RG3 got injured in that scenario, he'd probably tell the equipment manager to suit him up so he can play qb too.[/quote]

LOL out loud.....

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Snyder needs to stfu and go play with his money and let football people manage football.
Even better, sell the team.....

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;1118317]Snyder needs to stfu and go play with his money and let football people manage football.

Even better, sell the team.....[/QUOTE]


Ditto

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Schefter is a pro at being friends with disgruntled NFL employees past and present.

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[quote=mooby;1118314]Of course! He shows up in the locker room, points a gun at everyone, and says, "raise your hand if you don't think RG3 is a great qb." Then the first idiot stupid enough to raise his hand gets shot, and everyone else stays along for the ride. TL;DR: I too believe Snyder is so power hungry that he wants to be owner, GM, and head coach. Hell, if RG3 got injured in that scenario, he'd probably tell the equipment manager to suit him up so he can play qb too.[/quote]

You are making fun of my post and i understand - it does seem crazy re-visiting what I wrote earlier.

BUT - one of the things that I did consider was if Dan Snyder was so angry over the RG3 situation that he really did decide to coach the team himself. I have often wondered why Dan hasn't done that, he has tried everything else.

Is it at least safe to assume that either Gruden or SM is on borrowed time over the RG3 situation??

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You can't fire the GM and HC 2 weeks before the season. Just stop with this silliness. Snyder coaching the team is just laughable and there's no chance of it happening.

Now back to reality... Hard to imagine anyone trading for him at this point with his guaranteed $$ for this year and the injury guarantee for next. And of course they can't release him until he's cleared to play so that's not until the end of this week at the earliest. At this point I just don't see how they can kiss and make up. He's gotta go. Snyder might not like it but it the end he will concede.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1118320]You are making fun of my post and i understand - it does seem crazy re-visiting what I wrote earlier.

BUT - one of the things that I did consider was if Dan Snyder was so angry over the RG3 situation that he really did decide to coach the team himself. I have often wondered why Dan hasn't done that, he has tried everything else.

Is it at least safe to assume that either Gruden or SM is on borrowed time over the RG3 situation??[/quote]

I think the part of your equation that you are missing is the public perception. Dan very much cares about public perception of himself. Even though he stays out of the public eye, the times he chooses to talk to the media he tries to present a carefully crafted image of himself. He's even hired people (Tony Wyllie if memory serves) to rehab the image of himself and his team. If he actually went through with the "owner, gm, coach" scenario that would destroy any image rehab he has done the past few years. Firing a gm he literally just hired months ago? That would be insane, and make him look insanely foolish. The public perception of him is "worst NFL owner." He obviously doesn't want to keep that label, and he would be in the running for "worst NFL owner of all time" if he actually tried being a GM and/or the coach. Not trying to rag on you too hard bro, but I gotta call it like I see it.

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[quote=Mattyk;1118322]You can't fire the GM and HC 2 weeks before the season. Just stop with this silliness. Snyder coaching the team is just laughable and there's no chance of it happening.

Now back to reality... Hard to imagine anyone trading for him at this point with his guaranteed $$ for this year and the injury guarantee for next. And of course they can't release him until he's cleared to play so that's not until the end of this week at the earliest. At this point I just don't see how they can kiss and make up. He's gotta go. Snyder might not like it but it the end he will concede.[/quote]

Pretty much sums it up. Tough pill for Snyder to swallow though. I just think that if Gruden is going to go down with this ship, then he at least should be able to play the qb he wants to.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1118325]Pretty much sums it up. Tough pill for Snyder to swallow though. I just think that if Gruden is going to go down with this ship, then he at least should be able to play the qb he wants to.[/QUOTE]


If Cousins or McCoy is starting QB, Gruden will feel immense pressure to perform.

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You know, It's just starting to hit me just how bad I miss Jack Kent Cooke. His death has followed me for almost 20 years.. Dan, if you read this, please listen carefully.. let the football people run the team. At this point, that's 80% Scot and 20% Bruce Allen. You are killing everything I loved as a child and living for the day you sell this team is one of the things I look forward to most in my life.

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There would be plenty of folks around here that would agree with your.....sentiment Jake
AND welcome to the WP!

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[quote=Hog1;1118338]There would be plenty of folks around here that would agree with your.....sentiment Jake
AND welcome to the WP![/quote]

Thanks Hog1. I've actually been following this forum for years..

Being a Redskins fan is becoming painful. Not because of the losing, I can handle that, but because of the way we lose. I can't help but look back at the firing of Marty Schottenheimer and think that's where the wheels started coming off the wagon.. Get rid of RG3. Even if he's a decent QB, which he's not, he's such a distraction that the team can't focus on the task at hand. I like Scot and what he brings to this organization. I just hope that he gets the chance to get it done here and without Dan Snyder micromanaging him.

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We are the can't get right franchise.

We can't do anything the right way.

I hope the reports are off base because from a football perspective it seems rash to say the least.

But if the reports are true why can't they keep anything in house?

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[quote=RedskinJake;1118339]Thanks Hog1. I've actually been following this forum for years..

Being a Redskins fan is becoming painful. Not because of the losing, I can handle that, but because of the way we lose. I can't help but look back at the firing of Marty Schottenheimer and think that's where the wheels started coming off the wagon.. Get rid of RG3. Even if he's a decent QB, which he's not, he's such a distraction that the team can't focus on the task at hand. I like Scot and what he brings to this organization. I just hope that he gets the chance to get it done here and without Dan Snyder micromanaging him.[/quote]

It has mostly been a tough road since the passing of JKC. I truly believe we are onto something good with SM.....like what he is doing.
I hate it, but Robert gives no indication that he can get this done and appears to be a....distraction
HTTR

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[quote=30gut;1118340]We are the can't get right franchise.

We can't do anything the right way.

I hope the reports are off base because from a football perspective it seems rash to say the least.

But if the reports are true why can't they keep anything in house?[/quote]

[URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/08/30/national-reporters-offer-conflicting-information-on-washingtons-quarterback-situation/"]National reporters offer conflicting information on Washington’s quarterback situation[/URL]

:laughing2

You can't take these clowns seriously.

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Man, this thread has jumped the shark with the whole dan firing everybody conspiracy.


[quote=Mattyk;1118322]You can't fire the GM and HC 2 weeks before the season. Just stop with this silliness. Snyder coaching the team is just laughable and there's no chance of it happening.

Now back to reality... Hard to imagine anyone trading for him at this point with his guaranteed $$ for this year and the injury guarantee for next. And of course they can't release him until he's cleared to play so that's not until the end of this week at the earliest. At this point I just don't see how they can kiss and make up. He's gotta go. Snyder might not like it but it the end he will concede.[/quote]


I'm with Matty here. Too much is done to move on, and Robert's ego and unwillingness to trust/learn is a huge obstacle. Time to move on. I say you cut him the first chance you can get. Let him have his fresh start, and let us rid ourselves of the future drama surrounding him if he's on this team during the 2015 season.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/19443/redskins-back-in-familiar-spot-with-robert-griffin-iii-but-end-might-be-near]Redskins back in familiar spot with Robert Griffin III, but end might be near - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;1118343]Man, this thread has jumped the shark with the whole dan firing everybody conspiracy.





I'm with Matty here. Too much is done to move on, and Robert's ego and unwillingness to trust/learn is a huge obstacle. Time to move on. I say you cut him the first chance you can get. Let him have his fresh start, and let us rid ourselves of the future drama surrounding him if he's on this team during the 2015 season.[/quote]

At this point, keeping RG3 around isn't doing him any good either. Sometimes the best thing is to part ways and get a fresh start.

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[QUOTE=Hog1;1118315]I can TOTALLY buy the owner and Bruce....resisting(not to mention B and D drafted him...SM and Jay did not). I would too! He has a fortune in Robert. How's the conversation go

Dan: "DAMN boys! I paid a shitload of cash and picks to get this kid. We damn near kill him 6 or 8 times and now you tell me he sucks and you want to start 3rd round KC that I got $18 in?

Well F.. Me Runnin'!!...Shit Shit Shit!!!

OK give me tonight to get my head around this and we'll revisit in the morning"

I can believe that.



Play him or your both fired even though he sucks....I don't think so[/QUOTE]


Nobody damn near killed him 6-8 times. He damn near killed himself. Its nobodys fault the guy couldnt slide, get out of bounds, run away from pressure instead of into it, or step up in the pocket. Just sayin.....
As for all this hoopla about his status on this team, well, obviously DS wants him to work. He isnt. I think ultimately DS wants to win though - that is the main thing. Just like alot of people on this board that are jumping off the Griff train before it derails another season so is DS i presume. Up until now DS and plenty of us fans were hoping that he would regain his confidence, health, and wits all at once. I think this preseason was finally the breaking point for all those including DS that were hanging on to some semblance of hope.

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[QUOTE=30gut;1118340]We are the can't get right franchise.



We can't do anything the right way.



I hope the reports are off base because from a football perspective it seems rash to say the least.



But if the reports are true why can't they keep anything in house?[/QUOTE]


For real. Only the Raiders are worse. I swear if they field a winning team before we do im giving up forever.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/30/sources-say-snyder-football-operation-are-on-the-same-page/]Sources say Snyder, football operation are on the same page | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Damage control?

How it is?

Like sands through the hour glass. . .

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[quote=punch it in;1118346][B]Nobody damn near killed him 6-8 times. He damn near killed himself. Its nobodys fault the guy couldnt slide, get out of bounds, run away from pressure instead of into it, or step up in the pocket. Just sayin.....[/B]
As for all this hoopla about his status on this team, well, obviously DS wants him to work. He isnt. I think ultimately DS wants to win though - that is the main thing. Just like alot of people on this board that are jumping off the Griff train before it derails another season so is DS i presume. Up until now DS and plenty of us fans were hoping that he would regain his confidence, health, and wits all at once. I think this preseason was finally the breaking point for all those including DS that were hanging on to some semblance of hope.[/quote]

Punch you're being a touch.....literal for my DS imaginations.
But I get your meaning

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[QUOTE=Hog1;1118349]Punch you're being a touch.....literal for my DS imaginations.

But I get your meaning[/QUOTE]


Lol. Im trying my best to stay away from all the DS drama and "ultimatum" theories. There is no way the guy said anything like "start him or ur fired". Thats just stupid. But at the end of the day he is the Only Redskins fan that has millions of dollars riding on RG-3. So he is going to be the last "fan" to come to terms with it not working out. That is somehow being twisted into something that it is not. Its business and its big business at that. I can completely understand why he is so desperate to have it work. There is a touch of truth to every different side of this story, but even Danny boy has to eventually do what is rite for the team. Shit we field a winning team in the next couple years and we will all forget about all this crap real fast - and i think the Redskin fan part of DS is realizing this even if the business man part of him is still being a stubborn prick.

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Good or bad, I think we need to trade RG3 for a bag of peanuts to help us with our cap. Perhaps RG3 would be willing to renegotiate the contract to something that doesn't have a 16M injury guarantee to go to a place outside of the NFC East.

That, to me, is the best option to cut ways with Mr Drama.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1118348][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/30/sources-say-snyder-football-operation-are-on-the-same-page/]Sources say Snyder, football operation are on the same page | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Damage control?

How it is?

Like sands through the hour glass. . .[/quote]

Like I said the media hates the Redskins, kick them while they are down. I don't think Danny would be stupid to sabotage Scot after all the shit through the years that he has put this franchise through and now is trying to clean it's image. I trust no one in the media.

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It's all anonymous sources, what if it's all the same person.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1118348][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/30/sources-say-snyder-football-operation-are-on-the-same-page/]Sources say Snyder, football operation are on the same page | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Damage control?

How it is?

Like sands through the hour glass. . .[/quote]

I have a feeling that the disagreement is likely to be whether the team can gain something in getting rid of RG3 (Snyder) or just cut your losses (everyone else). Regardless, RG3 is done in DC.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1118353]Like [B]I said the media hates the Redskins[/B], kick them while they are down. I don't think Danny would be stupid to sabotage Scot after all the shit through the years that he has put this franchise through and now is trying to clean it's image. I trust no one.[/quote]

Which I find laughable when people quote Jason Reid as a source or the fact that he's one of the Redskins reporter on ESPN.

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Jason Reid is an insufferable moron. That clown will be out of the sports media soon. He's terrible.

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not crazy about the "Man cave" morning show.......

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[quote=Ruhskins;1118355]I have a feeling that the disagreement is likely to be whether the team can gain something in getting rid of RG3 (Snyder) or just cut your losses (everyone else). Regardless, RG3 is done in DC.[/quote]

Agreed. Don't know why everyone jumps on Snyder as a bad man. My guess is that Snyder probably agrees Griffin is done, but the disagreement is likely to be something like Gruden / McC want to cut him to avoid a season of distraction, and Snyder is asking whether they could just bench him for the year and continue to work on trade offers. I'd agree with national media reporting on this, he's done as the QB for the Redskins and they wouldn't even risk putting him on the field ever again given the risks of the contract.

WORST case scenario is we cut him, and the Eagles pick him up.. He'd have a much higher chance of doing well in that offense, and there's near certainty Bradford gets injured at one point. Would HATE HATE to see him beat us, since there is probably some potential for Griffin doing okay on another team.

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Jesus h Christ, this team and the drama...honest to god what's the story gonna be tomorrow? Let's hope McC hasn't moved back to liquor yet...

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[quote=ethat001;1118361]Agreed. Don't know why everyone jumps on Snyder as a bad man. My guess is that Snyder probably agrees Griffin is done, but the disagreement is likely to be something like Gruden / McC want to cut him to avoid a season of distraction, and Snyder is asking whether they could just bench him for the year and continue to work on trade offers. I'd agree with national media reporting on this, he's done as the QB for the Redskins and they wouldn't even risk putting him on the field ever again given the risks of the contract.

WORST case scenario is we cut him, and the Eagles pick him up.. He'd have a much higher chance of doing well in that offense, and there's near certainty Bradford gets injured at one point. Would HATE HATE to see him beat us, since there is probably some potential for Griffin doing okay on another team.[/quote]

Spot on. Nick Foles threw for 27 TDs and 2 INTs in that offense. It gets so many targets running free that it would negate Robert's biggest weakness, hesitating when a guy isn't wide open.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1118363]Spot on. Nick Foles threw for 27 TDs and 2 INTs in that offense. It gets so many targets running free that it would negate Robert's biggest weakness, hesitating when a guy isn't wide open.[/QUOTE]


My biggest fear. IMO he would be 2012 RG in that system.

You know what though I can't really hate on him. Yes he's made mistakes but organization sans Snyder has treated him like shit so if he rights his career in Philly, I will just tip my hat.

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He is just gonna get hurt again.

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Just FYI...

[URL]http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13546500/washington-redskins-consider-moving-robert-griffin-iii[/URL]