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[quote=skinsfaninok;1165861]ESPN is reporting that Kirk has already made up his mind and that he wants to play in SF... O well fuck it, I knew this would happen when he went to that Atlanta game, that was too fishy. Hopefully we get romo now and the number 2 pick, if not we are a 4-12 team again.

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My reading of that is that the only team he would sign long term with (besides signing with us if we up the offer) is the 49ers. It seems like he is just killing his own trade value so we are force to offer him more once trading him becomes a non option.

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[QUOTE=Skinsfanatic;1165863]My reading of that is that the only team he would sign long term with (besides signing with us if we up the offer) is the 49ers. It seems like he is just killing his own trade value so we are force to offer him more once trading him becomes a non option.[/QUOTE]
I just don't see Dan paying Kirk 25M a year, and Ive not once heard a beep from Scot saying "Kirk is our guy'

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1165864]I just don't see Dan paying Kirk 25M a year, and Ive not once heard a beep from Scot saying "Kirk is our guy'[/quote]

I am not saying it will work, I just think that is what Kirk is doing. I could totally see Dan taking a scalpel to his nose.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1165861]ESPN is reporting that Kirk has already made up his mind and that he wants to play in SF... O well fuck it, I knew this would happen when he went to that Atlanta game, that was too fishy. Hopefully we get romo now and the number 2 pick, if not we are a 4-12 team again.

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Just not sure I buy that. They have no one on offense. Literally no one.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1165866]Just not sure I buy that. They have no one on offense. Literally no one.[/quote]

Money talks and face it, our
FO isn't quite sold on Kirk. His stats improved markedly, but he folds when things get hot. I want him to stay, but I can't really blame the front office sitting on its hands either. The defense needs to be rebuilt and we might be looking at losing our best wideouts as well. The running game is not so strong either. Keeping Kirk might not bring us to the promised land if the supporting cast isn't there.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1165849]Thank you for that, that is a positive post, but why would the skins wait until the last day to announce the contract? If they knew they could get a deal done with Kirk i have a feeling they would already have done it.

My money says he is tagged and given the tag that lets other teams negotiate with him. I think it's plainly obvious that Snyder doesn't want Cousins on this team this coming season....[/quote]

The front office isn't entirely sold on him and the prospect of getting two first round picks is tempting. The next week or two will be very interesting to say the least. I hope
Kirk stays or everything will unravel
I think. If Gruden gets canned we will be at
Cleveland depths. I just don't see any good coaching talent wanting to come here.

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I think we need to settle down a little bit, or some of us might die of a heart attack before the start of next season.

I think one thing's for sure: KC will be tagged today.

And then we won't know were he's going until a few days before the draft.

And if he's not traded at that point we won't know if he plays under the tag or a long term deal until July 15th.

That's a lot of time to speculate.

And again from a business standpoint I can understand how this board would want to use the non-exclusive tag to ask the other teams how much KC's worth.

If he's not willing to accept anything under what he considers to be his price, they have nothing to lose:

-either somebody offers the price he's asking and they can match it, knowing they're not overpaying

-either nobody offers the price he's asking and they can use that to negotiate a deal just a little cheaper before July 15th

We are a talking about more money than most of us we'll make in our entire life, this can take some time to be settled.

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[quote=FlyerSkin;1165868]The front office isn't entirely sold on him and the prospect of getting two first round picks is tempting. The next week or two will be very interesting to say the least. I hope
Kirk stays or everything will unravel
I think. [B]If Gruden gets canned we will be at
Cleveland depths. I just don't see any good coaching talent wanting to come here.[/B][/quote]

Good point. If the first HC to have 2 back to back good seasons here since 20 years and so gets canned, any coach would be crazy to accept a job here.

Hope that doesn't happen.

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BTW, I was right about the compensation, if you listen to the 4th hour of yesterday (27th) Cooley and Kevin's, you'll hear them discuss what would the compensation for Kirk be, and they both think nobody would give up two 1st rounders:

[url=http://www.espn980.com/cooley-and-kevin/]Cooley and Kevin | ESPN 980[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1165861]ESPN is reporting that Kirk has already made up his mind and that he wants to play in SF... O well fuck it, I knew this would happen when he went to that Atlanta game, that was too fishy. Hopefully we get romo now and the number 2 pick, if not we are a 4-12 team again.

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Well his wife and her family are from Atlanta, so he was going to be there regardless.

For the right price, Kirk will sign in DC. But if he's going to be traded the only place he'll sign a long-term deal is SF. Chicago being a very distant second. So SF is really the only viable trade partner

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1165873]Well his wife and her family are from Atlanta, so he was going to be there regardless.

For the right price, Kirk will sign in DC. But if he's going to be traded the only place he'll sign a long-term deal is SF. Chicago being a very distant second. So SF is really the only viable trade partner[/QUOTE]
They love him in Chicago. Must be the MSU connection. Either way, I'm over it all. If he stays great, if not o well

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1165874]They love him in Chicago. Must be the MSU connection. Either way, I'm over it all. If he stays great, if not o well[/quote]

Cousins was born in Barrington, Illinois.
I doubt there is a Chicago/MSU connection.
Most people in the Chicago area think Michigan is above Minnesota.

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I don't think its crazy to think the Rams would become involved somehow.

Goff for Cousins and a couple picks?

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Just give in, eat the humble pie, and pay the man. Please.

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Cooley believes Cousins is not worth 2 first round picks..Hmmmm...very interesting.could it be that the folks who are about to jump off ledge because we may not sign Kirk to long term deal are wrong about Cousins ability ..Not worth 2 first round picks(or at least no team would give up that for him says a lot about his value..) MAYBE He is not all that and the Skins front office don't want to be saddled to a overpaid underachiever for next 5 years.. His stats could be a result of the system ..he had best WR group in league..top TE..good if not great pass protection..very good play calling( Mcvay ended up head coach..that tells you something) remember we missed the playoffs this year . My gut Tells me Cousins is a good QB in the right system but I don't believe he will ever be the guy that can carry the team to the big dance..( Brady,Rogers,Newton,Ryan,Brees,Carr,Flaco,Manning,Wilson,Big Ben..Im not sure Cousins is near that group.) lets just see what happens ..the only thing that would really bother me is Getting Romo or Cutler..If Colt has to be the QB next year and we can win 8-9 games then so be it.

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Well now that deadline day is here, let's hope that the FO doesn't have a fax snafu a la [URL="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000151159/article/elvis-dumervil-cut-by-denver-broncos-after-fax-flub"]Denver[/URL] and let's KC walk out for nothing...

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[quote=rocnrik;1165881]Cooley believes Cousins is not worth 2 first round picks..Hmmmm...very interesting.could it be that the folks who are about to jump off ledge because we may not sign Kirk to long term deal are wrong about Cousins ability ..Not worth 2 first round picks(or at least no team would give up that for him says a lot about his value..) MAYBE He is not all that and the Skins front office don't want to be saddled to a overpaid underachiever for next 5 years.. His stats could be a result of the system ..he had best WR group in league..top TE..good if not great pass protection..very good play calling( Mcvay ended up head coach..that tells you something) remember we missed the playoffs this year . My gut Tells me Cousins is a good QB in the right system but I don't believe he will ever be the guy that can carry the team to the big dance..( Brady,Rogers,Newton,Ryan,Brees,Carr,Flaco,Manning,Wilson,Big Ben..Im not sure Cousins is near that group.) lets just see what happens ..the only thing that would really bother me is Getting Romo or Cutler..If Colt has to be the QB next year and we can win 8-9 games then so be it.[/quote]

Those of us who believe in Kirk's ability are [U]not[/U] wrong about him. He led the entire NFL in QBR over the period of the last 12 regular season games (games 5 through 16) of 2017. He is a winner and he is still developing his skills (meaning he will continue to get better). He has avoided injuries, so you can expect him to be available from week to week (which is a very big deal in the NFL) and he may have as many as 10 years left in his NFL career. So, yes, he [U]is[/U] "all that".

Cooley may think he's not worth two number one picks, but the league says he [U]is[/U] worth it if he receives the non-exclusive tag and another team signs him.

If Kirk should go to SF, he and Kyle Shanahan will light up the league like you won't believe. That is, as soon as SF get him some weapons to work with. Believe me, we're going to suffer without him if he goes because no journeyman QB is going to be able to duplicate what he does for this team.

Just to make my position on this matter as clear as possible, if this front office doesn't re-sign Cousins they can all eat shit, die, and go to Hell. And they should take "company man" Cooley with them.

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[quote=rocnrik;1165881]Cooley believes Cousins is not worth 2 first round picks..Hmmmm...very interesting.could it be that the folks who are about to jump off ledge because we may not sign Kirk to long term deal are wrong about Cousins ability ..Not worth 2 first round picks(or at least no team would give up that for him says a lot about his value..) MAYBE He is not all that and the Skins front office don't want to be saddled to a overpaid underachiever for next 5 years.. His stats could be a result of the system ..he had best WR group in league..top TE..good if not great pass protection..very good play calling( Mcvay ended up head coach..that tells you something) remember we missed the playoffs this year . [B]My gut Tells me Cousins is a good QB in the right system but I don't believe he will ever be the guy that can carry the team to the big dance.[/B].( Brady,Rogers,Newton,Ryan,Brees,Carr,Flaco,Manning,Wilson,Big Ben..Im not sure Cousins is near that group.) lets just see what happens ..the only thing that would really bother me is Getting Romo or Cutler..If Colt has to be the QB next year and we can win 8-9 games then so be it.[/quote]

1st in the league in total air yard, 3rd in the league in yards/attemp... This is not a system QB, this is at minimum a very good QB. Alex Smith is a system QB, the team is efficient because of the system, and he manages the game.

KC is doing more than that.

We have the best WR group in the league? What part of it belongs to Cousins? Desean is fast but made of glass and aging, I love Garçon but he's no Antonio Brown or Anthony Hopkins (that young man is making wonders with shitty QBs), Crowder is a really promising WR... But IMO, apart from Jordan Reed when healthy, we have good players, no great amazing receivers.

Barring any huge improvement both on defense and in the running game, we are NOT winning 8-9 games with Colt McCoy at QB.

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We have till tomorrow to worry about that one CRed. I expect the franchise tag to come down today.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1165885]1st in the league in total air yard, 3rd in the league in yards/attemp... This is not a system QB, this is at minimum a very good QB. Alex Smith is a system QB, the team is efficient because of the system, and he manages the game.

KC is doing more than that.

We have the best WR group in the league? What part of it belongs to Cousins? Desean is fast but made of glass and aging, I love Garçon but he's no Antonio Brown or Anthony Hopkins (that young man is making wonders with shitty QBs), Crowder is a really promising WR... But IMO, apart from Jordan Reed when healthy, we have good players, no great amazing receivers.

Barring any huge improvement both on defense and in the running game, we a[B]re NOT winning 8-9 games with Colt McCoy at QB[/B].[/quote]

Agreed, we would be lucky to win five with Colt. Plus who is he throwing the ball too? Pierre and DJax wouldnt want to come back to catch balls from Colt. Plus the dude has a noodle arm and underthrows guys on 35 yard "bombs"

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1165887]Agreed, we would be lucky to win five with Colt. Plus who is he throwing the ball too? Pierre and DJax wouldnt want to come back to catch balls from Colt. Plus the dude has a [B]noodle arm[/B] and underthrows guys on 35 yard "bombs"[/quote]

True. That noodle arm is what keeps him from being a viable option as a starter.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1165878]I don't think its crazy to think the Rams would become involved somehow.

Goff for Cousins and a couple picks?[/QUOTE]
I would take that, Goff will be the best passer from the class.

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[QUOTE=artmonkforhallofamein07;1165887]Agreed, we would be lucky to win five with Colt. Plus who is he throwing the ball too? Pierre and DJax wouldnt want to come back to catch balls from Colt. Plus the dude has a noodle arm and underthrows guys on 35 yard "bombs"[/QUOTE]
Colt McCoy is a backup at best! If we let kirk go and start CM, I really wont care about wins next yr

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My final prediction. Kirk is tagged and traded to SF for the 2nd overall pick. Scot knows SF wants Kirk bad

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KC isn't going to SF this year. They suck and won 2 games. Why would they give up their draft picks being a 2 win team? That makes zero sense.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1165892]My final prediction. Kirk is tagged and traded to SF for the 2nd overall pick. Scot knows SF wants Kirk bad

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Keim is reporting SF is the only place KC will sign a long term contract. The Redskins need to trade him for more than 1 draft choice... it is time for major rebuilding

Keim tweet;

Folks: Never said Kirk Cousins wouldn't accept a trade elsewhere. Said the team he'd sign a LTD with right now would be SF. 1/2

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1165893]KC isn't going to SF this year. They suck and won 2 games. Why would they give up their draft picks being a 2 win team? That makes zero sense.[/QUOTE]
It's only 1 pick and they believe he's a franchise QB, those guys don't come around often. I'm very disappointed in losing Kirk, he's been a great QB yes Great QB for 2 years now but once again it's the life of a redskins fan. We have something going good and our POS ownership fucks it up.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1165874]They love him in Chicago. Must be the MSU connection. Either way, I'm over it all. If he stays great, if not o well[/quote]

What MSU connection? Chicago football fans are either Northwestern, Illinois, or Wisconsin fans.

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[quote=FlyerSkin;1165897]What MSU connection? Chicago football fans are either Northwestern, Illinois, or Wisconsin fans.[/quote]

They love him in Chicago because he is better then anything they have at QB.

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[QUOTE=FlyerSkin;1165897]What MSU connection? Chicago football fans are either Northwestern, Illinois, or Wisconsin fans.[/QUOTE]
When I went to the game I saw at least 10 people wearing MSU green. Now they could have been friends and family of him or something but still

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1165898]They love him in Chicago because he is better then anything they have at QB.[/QUOTE]
Lolol yeah that's y we love Him too!! Who else we gonna throw out there? They seriously can't believe Colt is the guy right??

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If Kirk must go to SF, I'd make it easy for SF to make the deal by letting them keep their #2 pick in the first round but they would have to include 3-4 DE DeForest Buckner in the deal.

My proposed deal:

We get DeForest Buckner, SF's 2017 second round pick, SF's 2017 third round pick, and SF's 2018 second round pick.

I might be generous and let them swap 2017 second round picks with us as long as they include their 2017 third round compensatory pick in the deal.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1165902]If Kirk must go to SF, I'd make it easy for SF to make the deal by letting them keep their #2 pick in the first round but they would have to include 3-4 DE DeForest Buckner in the deal.

My proposed deal:

We get DeForest Buckner, SF's 2017 second round pick, SF's 2017 third round pick, and SF's 2018 second round pick.

I might be generous and let them swap 2017 second round picks with us as long as they include their 2017 third round compensatory pick in the deal.[/quote]

good deal for both teams....one thing to keep in mind will SF pay KC $$$$$$$$ AND give up players and/or picks. Next year they could get him for free (no picks or players) just the salary

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How come I feel im about to be repetitively kicked in the balls when I think about the Redskins and Cousins situation?

A. Dan and Bruce track record with QB
B. McC and his drank
C. Kyle Shanny ready to stick it to the Skins
D. all of the above

Its D...with our cap space, it really doesn't make sense.

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I wish I could be a fly on the wall as DS and McC go at it (or BA and McC but in this case McC should just lay him flat out, I'm sure we could get a gofundme page for his legal defense)

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[quote=Irrefutable;1165903]good deal for both teams....one thing to keep in mind will SF pay KC $$$$$$$$ AND give up players and/or picks. Next year they could get him for free (no picks or players) just the salary[/quote]

I want to keep Kirk, so I don't care if they do the deal or not. That's why I consider anything short of taking their #1 picks for 2017 and 2018 as being generous, kind, or whatever you want to call it.

So, f*** 'em if they don't want to pay the price for Kirk. That way, we keep Kirk for 2017 and if he's having a big year then we give him the deal he wants by mid-season. Meanwhile we treat him very nicely so he wants to stay.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1165910]I want to keep Kirk, so I don't care if they do the deal or not. That's why I consider anything short of taking their #1 picks for 2017 and 2018 as being generous, kind, or whatever you want to call it.

So, f*** 'em if they don't want to pay the price for Kirk. That way, we keep Kirk for 2017 and if he's having a big year then [B]we give him the deal he wants by mid-season.[/B] Meanwhile we treat him very nicely so he wants to stay.[/quote]

I'm pretty sure if we tag him (3 hours until deadline btw!!! arg) and want to sign him to a long term deal we have to do that before July 15th or wait until the end of the season. Can't do it mid-season.

I still have hope that the non exclusive tag could be one more tool to determine his market value and be sure not to look like fools overpaying him.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1165896]It's only 1 pick and they believe he's a franchise QB, those guys don't come around often. I'm very disappointed in losing Kirk, he's been a great QB yes Great QB for 2 years now but once again it's the life of a redskins fan. We have something going good and our POS ownership fucks it up.[/quote]

I don't see the Redskins giving up on KC for the 2nd pick of the draft. That's a bad deal and SM isn't that stupid. Snyder is but SM isn't and Bruce will just go along with with Snyder says...lol.

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Don't franchise him and let him walk. Trade back in the first round and draft Nathan Peterman from Pittsburgh.

I don't really mean this but I kind of do if that makes sense. This whole thing with Kirk drains the life blood out of you as a fan.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1165910]I want to keep Kirk, so I don't care if they do the deal or not. That's why I consider anything short of taking their #1 picks for 2017 and 2018 as being generous, kind, or whatever you want to call it.

So, f*** 'em if they don't want to pay the price for Kirk. That way, we keep Kirk for 2017 and if he's having a big year then we give him the deal he wants by mid-season. Meanwhile we treat him very nicely so he wants to stay.[/quote]

Can't give him a deal midseason. If he's tagged, once you pass July 15th you may not negotiate on a contract again until the season is over. You have to play under the tag. Can't even pick up the phone to talk about it.