Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

If I'm Bruce I'm telling the Texans, we wan't a 2ND and a Justin Reid (Safety) in return for Trent. If they do not accept that deal then move on. There is no rush to trade Trent, eventually he will show up and play. This is the ultimate chess game just like Dallas and zeke, will the player really sit out all season? Very rare and doubtful.

If it's with NE as some sources have said are interested I would ask for a Player for player swap, Trent for Jaime Collins (LB). '

If the Skins let TW go for nothing less than either of these then we are truly the worst ran team in football.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

I have to say, I was relief when I saw the news that Redskins will not trade Williams.. While this situation is not ideal for mending broken relationship, I hope Redskins and Williams will eventually compromise on something that is win-win for both parties soon enough.

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At the end of the day, TW is an employee of the Washington Redskins. As an employee he's provided great service and been paid well. It's interesting when it comes to money it's all business and they don't mind signing on the dotted line.

He looks like he is enjoying the money he earns. You can't have it both ways.


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The Bruce Allen strategy to fine TW until he returns will NOT work. TW has told friends he will be happy to sit out the season.

The redskins need TW much more than TW needs the Redskins or the money. Although some suppose that we can easily replace TW with Penn, you’re replacing elite with VERY old, average (at best). Our left side of the OL preseason game got TOTALLY ABUSED in PS game one, as well as committing numerous penalties. We just wasted what, $3.5 mill, on Flowers who is turning into a total failure. Why didn’t BA offer that $3.5 mill as guaranteed money for Trent?

Offer him serious guaranteed money or trade him, but playing “chicken” with him will work about as well as it did with Cousins.




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[quote=Warthog;1226825]The Bruce Allen strategy to fine TW until he returns will NOT work. TW has told friends he will be happy to sit out the season.

The redskins need TW much more than TW needs the Redskins or the money. Although some suppose that we can easily replace TW with Penn, you’re replacing elite with VERY old, average (at best). Our left side of the OL preseason game got TOTALLY ABUSED in PS game one, as well as committing numerous penalties. We just wasted what, $3.5 mill, on Flowers who is turning into a total failure. Why didn’t BA offer that $3.5 mill as guaranteed money for Trent?

Offer him serious guaranteed money or trade him, but playing “chicken” with him will work about as well as it did with Cousins.




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Our left side was not our starting left side, and it faced a very strong Cleveland DLine.

Penn and the rookie guard actually looked in sync and I expect them to be the starting left side if TW doesn't come back and play.

That said, I agree that playing the waiting game is the worst of the 3 options for the Skins. Gruden and Callahan ought to go to TW and then take his grievances and get them taken care of by the FO and get TW back on the field.

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[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/adrian-peterson-redskins-struggling-without-trent-williams-and-its-slowing-dwayne-haskins?fbclid=IwAR1mbet05OFotRtgfXbMy1E5uIj7uyr8NBAsGlfenP1A6jfebU-jTy6AVU8[/url]

Peterson " we need Trent Williams"

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1226827] Gruden and Callahan ought to go to TW and then take his grievances and get them taken care of by the FO and get TW back on the field.[/quote]


Seems simple. I don't know why this hasn't happened yet.

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[quote=jamf;1226831]Seems simple. [B]I don't know why this hasn't happened yet.[/B][/quote]

You don't? Take a wild guess.

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3 team leaders have now came out in support of TW

Peterson
Kerrigan
Norman

All 3 realize we NEED TW back in order to compete weekly, the Redskins really can't go without drama, its like they get a boner off of it

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

Dear Mr. Snyder

For nearly 20 years, we diehard (and it has been hard) Redskins fans have been hoping for a return to the glory years. We know you have too. However, for two decades now, the team has been wallowed in at best mediocrity, and at worst embarrassingly bad football. There are too many examples to mention here; we expect you are acutely aware them as well and thus require no further elaboration.

We fans know that you are one of us-you bought the team two decades ago out of a deep and abiding affection for it, and its proud history. That affection should not cloud anyone’s judgment about proper leadership. It is clear that Bruce Allen is an impediment to success - he is no leader, not respected or trusted around the league, and has repeatedly perpetuated a keystone-cop image of the team (winning off the field, our QB Kurt Cousins, etc, etc).

We now have a bad situation with arguably the best football player we have had on the team during your tenure - maybe one of the best ever in team history. Trent has fought through injury, losing seasons, coaching changes, etc and yet has continued to perform admirably. We don’t profess to know what is the root cause of the unhappiness - but it appears that Allen is not helping the situation. At all.

If the Redskins are going to be watchable this season, we need Trent. Please explore if the ship can be righted. If it can, then do what it takes to right it - even (or particularly) if it means letting Allen go. If it cannot, then please have someone competent (ie, not Allen) involved in making the best of a bad situation. Failing to do so risks further erosion of the fan base.

HTTR.


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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1226832]You don't? Take a wild guess.[/quote]


Good point!

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[quote=jamf;1226849]Good point![/quote]

could you imagine if Antonio Brown was on the team right now?

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=Warthog;1226796]Punishing a player with fines and lost game money seems like a real Bruce Allen / Dan Snyder move. “Beat him until his morale improves!”

“If he won’t play for us then he’ll play for no one.”

This management buffoonery is why the Redskins are consistently one of the NFL’s worst teams.

Trade him for a second or third round draft pick for next year, we’ll be drafting for the OL anyway in the draft.[/quote]

You act like the Skins are the only team to do this. It happens every year with some team.

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If Houston offered Clowney for Trent would u take it?

I say no but its been brought up on twitter by the media

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1226855]If Houston offered Clowney for Trent would u take it?

I say no but its been brought up on twitter by the media[/quote]

The problem is Clowney strengthens a strong position, while trading Trent weakens an already weak position

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1226855]If Houston offered Clowney for Trent would u take it?

I say no but its been brought up on twitter by the media[/quote]

I'd say no also. I would consider a player of need(LT preferably) and a draft pick though....

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1226855]If Houston offered Clowney for Trent would u take it?

I say no but its been brought up on twitter by the media[/quote]

I'd take Clowney in a heartbeat

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[quote=MTK;1226862]I'd take Clowney in a heartbeat[/quote]

Big $$ though

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=MTK;1226862]I'd take Clowney in a heartbeat[/quote]

Hell I'd pick him up from the airport and get him a steak dinner too

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=Chico23231;1226852]could you imagine if Antonio Brown was on the team right now?[/quote]


LOL! Jay Gruden is like a high school coach, he is just waiting to see who shows up.

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[quote=Warthog;1226796][B]Punishing a player with fines and lost game money[/B] seems like a real Bruce Allen / Dan Snyder move. “Beat him until his morale improves!”

“If he won’t play for us then he’ll play for no one.”

This management buffoonery is why the Redskins are consistently one of the NFL’s worst teams.

Trade him for a second or third round draft pick for next year, we’ll be drafting for the OL anyway in the draft.[/quote]

This is pretty standard with every team in the NFL in terms of the fines, and well if Trent doesn't show up, he doesn't get paid. I don't get how is this very different from any NFL team (see Pittsburgh last year with Bell).

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=Ruhskins;1226881]This is pretty standard with every team in the NFL in terms of the fines, and well if Trent doesn't show up, he doesn't get paid. I don't get how is this very different from [B]any other job.[/B] [/quote]

Fixed it for you. (And that's coming from a French communist ^^).

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1226882]Fixed it for you. (And that's coming from a French communist ^^).[/quote]

:laughing-

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1226855]If Houston offered Clowney for Trent would u take it?



I say no but its been brought up on twitter by the media[/QUOTE]



Yup id rather have Clowney playing than TW not playing.

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Clowney and their LT for Trent. Adam S mentioned the last time a pro bowl/HOF LT was traded Denver gave up a 1st, 2nd, and a 6th. I would take that for Trent.

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I was shitting on the Skins earlier for how they've gone about this but if we can actually start and win a trade war for Trent I'm all for it. Love the player but everyone's got a price.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1226855]If Houston offered Clowney for Trent would u take it?

I say no but its been brought up on twitter by the media[/quote]

Hell to the no!

Maybe if he had a couple years left, with a team friendly cap hit...but this would be giving up a perennial pro bowl LT, for a one year rental for over $15 mil...NOPE!

I'm all about waiting for the deal of the century, or no deal at all.

BTW, if he DOES come back, the Redskins can forgive all these fines...the fines are standard practice across the NFL. Teams would be stupid not to fine the players for not showing up to work.

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I want Trent, period. So does every player on the team (with the exception of Penn). And virtually every fan. They need to figure out how to get it done.


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Wow... on [URL="https://omny.fm/shows/kevin-sheehan-show/08-13-19-the-kevin-sheehan-show-hour-2"]Sheehan's radio show[/URL] , Adam Schefter, who reported the Skins were turning down every trade offers they received for TW, made 2 very interesting points:

1) Teams are not trading players... until they do. Reminded us the Raiders were not trading Khalil Mack... until they received an offer they couldn't refuse.

2) In 1995, the Broncos traded holding out Pro Bowl LT Gary Zimmerman to the Vikings for a 1st, a 2nd and a 6th ! He said the situation is virtually identical, so that'd be the baseline, and anything less than a 1st would be ridiculous.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1226899]Wow... on [URL="https://omny.fm/shows/kevin-sheehan-show/08-13-19-the-kevin-sheehan-show-hour-2"]Sheehan's radio show[/URL] , Adam Schefter, who reported the Skins were turning down every trade offers they received for TW, made 2 very interesting points:

1) Teams are not trading players... until they do. Reminded us the Raiders were not trading Khalil Mack... until they received an offer they couldn't refuse.

2) In 1995, the Broncos traded holding out Pro Bowl LT Gary Zimmerman to the Vikings for a 1st, a 2nd and a 6th ! He said the situation is virtually identical, so that'd be the baseline, and anything less than a 1st would be ridiculous.[/quote]
I wonder what it would take for Allen/Snyder to say yes. Maybe if they get an irresistible offer, they will pull it off. Won't hold my breath but you never know.

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The Skins continue to hold $21M of leverage over Trent and there are reportedly three teams interested in trading for him, so they hold leverage in the trade market, too. They should be patient and let things come to them. We'll get close to Week 1 and either Trent will show up, or they'll get a strong trade offer.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=Schneed10;1226911]The Skins continue to hold $21M of leverage over Trent and there are reportedly three teams interested in trading for him, so they hold leverage in the trade market, too. They should be patient and let things come to them. We'll get close to Week 1 and either Trent will show up, or they'll get a strong trade offer.[/quote]My concern is neither party will budge. Williams seems adamant about not playing for us anymore and the team seems adamant about not trading him. I don't trust Allen with a situation this tenuous. Just a poor distraction prior to the season starting, but it is what it is.

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"Do I think if the Redskins ever were to deal Trent Williams they would get a 1 [first-round draft pick]? Absolutely," Schefter said on The Kevin Sheehan Show. "And you know what, by the way, I don' think they trade him for anything less than something like that ever. I mean, why would you? You're talking about a seven-time pro bowl left tackle, who's 31."

Anything less than a 1 is a HUGE FAILURE

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Sources around the league feel that it is inevitable that we trade him soon:

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/sports/while-redskins-wont-trade-him-025517109.html[/url]

Might as well trade him now to highest bidder after increasing demand. A haul really does seem possible.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=Schneed10;1226911]The Skins continue to hold $21M of leverage over Trent and there are reportedly three teams interested in trading for him, so they hold leverage in the trade market, too. They should be patient and let things come to them. We'll get close to Week 1 and either Trent will show up, or they'll get a strong trade offer.[/quote]

Yeah, a lot of people are painting the Skins are losers in this story, but I actually think they're in a situation were it'll be hard to lose... now they've documented how capable of losing a winning situation they are, but still...

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=The Skinsinator;1226917]Sources around the league feel that it is inevitable that we trade him soon:

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/sports/while-redskins-wont-trade-him-025517109.html[/url]

Might as well trade him [B]now [/B]to highest bidder after increasing demand. A haul really does seem possible.[/quote]

No, I say wait, wait for offers to increase, wait for an injury on some other team to occur, wait for something you CAN NOT turn down.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=FrenchSkin;1226899]Wow... on [URL="https://omny.fm/shows/kevin-sheehan-show/08-13-19-the-kevin-sheehan-show-hour-2"]Sheehan's radio show[/URL] , Adam Schefter, who reported the Skins were turning down every trade offers they received for TW, made 2 very interesting points:

1) Teams are not trading players... until they do. Reminded us the Raiders were not trading Khalil Mack... until they received an offer they couldn't refuse.

[B]2) In 1995, the Broncos traded holding out Pro Bowl LT Gary Zimmerman to the Vikings for a 1st, a 2nd and a 6th ! He said the situation is virtually identical, so that'd be the baseline, and anything less than a 1st would be ridiculous.[/B][/quote]

Zimmerman had a streak of not missing a game for 5 straight seasons before he was traded. Trent plays 75% of the time these days, huge difference. Zimmerman played 5 more years for the Vikings, nobody would project that out of Trent.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1226921]Zimmerman had a streak of not missing a game for 5 straight seasons before he was traded. Trent plays 75% of the time these days, huge difference. Zimmerman played 5 more years for the Vikings, nobody would project that out of Trent.[/quote]

Thanks for these precisions, I was 5 back then so didn't know much more than what Sheehan and Schefter said about it.
Good point, but I still think anything less than a 1st would be 100% unacceptable.

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The twitter world seems to believe it will be Trent for Clowney since Houston doesn't want to come off the 1st.

At the end of the day, If tRent really wants out , we have to get the best for him and Clowney would be great for a year.. Only problem is he wants a huge deal

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=FrenchSkin;1226919]No, I say wait, wait for offers to increase, wait for an injury on some other team to occur, wait for something you CAN NOT turn down.[/quote]When I say now, I mean sometime in the next few weeks assuming offers do increase. Start the trade war. Think that's occurring actually. We need to take into account him missing a few games a year and coming off the health issue. I want maximum value, but also make sure it's still an attractive haul. Trading him right before the regular season to a team with Super Bowl aspirations (Houston, NE, etc) should pull in the best net. Also, not counting on NE to be the team with their perpetual shrewdness for situations like this.

Not good with Williams for Clowney. I want the 1st rd pick minimum.