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Galdi on the radio just spoke at length on Trent.

1. 5th round comp pick .. not a 3rd. Under the Alan Faneca rule, if a player of at least 10 years with a franchise leaves via FA, the team gets no higher than a 5th comp.

how did we miss this? how did the beat reporters miss this?

2. Last year counted as an accrued year, and if Trent shows up again around week 8, this upcoming season (his 10th) would also be an acrrued year and thus he is a FA.

3. Trent was hurt that RR met w Greg Olsen before him.
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So a back of the round 5th as comp for trent?

fuck me sideways

Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[quote=SunnySide;1248252]Galdi on the radio just spoke at length on Trent.

1. 5th round comp pick .. not a 3rd. Under the Alan Faneca rule, if a player of at least 10 years with a franchise leaves via FA, the team gets no higher than a 5th comp.

how did we miss this? how did the beat reporters miss this?

2. Last year counted as an accrued year, and if Trent shows up again around week 8, this upcoming season (his 10th) would also be an acrrued year and thus he is a FA.

[B]3. Trent was hurt that RR met w Greg Olsen before him. [/B]
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So a back of the round 5th as comp for trent?

fuck me sideways[/quote]

What's with these motherf*ckers acting like f*cking teenagers?!?!

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[quote=Ruhskins;1248253]What's with these motherf*ckers acting like f*cking teenagers?!?![/quote]

Galdi surmised that Trents camp is just looking for reasons to be upset at this point. And he mocked him pretty good for being so sensitive.

Not that theres anything wrong with that.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1248209]Never seen someone try so hard to fuck up their legacy.[/QUOTE]


Yeah he’s gone from being a guy most fans loved to now pretty much despised, it’s a shame


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[quote=MTK;1248259]Yeah he’s gone from being a guy most fans loved to now pretty much despised, it’s a shame


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But he loves and respects Dan Snyder and Redskins fans!! Trent and his agent can go fuck themselves!!!

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Trent sounds really manipulated by his agent and it sounds like they devised a big plan to try to get a bigger contract last year. As time goes, Trent looks worse and worse

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[quote=Chico23231;1248279]Trent sounds really manipulated by his agent and it sounds like they devised a big plan to try to get a bigger contract last year. As time goes, Trent looks worse and worse[/quote]

Agreed. I think they thought they could get traded quickly last year, sign a new LTD and have everything go smoothly.

Bruce factor. They didnt anticipate Bruce going against what most reasonable GMs would have done and just get picks and move on. Nope. Instead Bruce had to pull a "Kirk Cousins, the sequel". Make it personal.

Clearly their plan has failed miserably. Now Trent and his agent are sitting on the floor trying to glue back together mom's broken vase .. with little success.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1248201]Trent and his agent sound like a bunch of butthurt pussies

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/it-not-contract-agent-trent-williams-places-blame-lack-trade-squarely-redskins[/url][/quote]

I seriously doubt anyone sides with them, they need to stop with the BS.

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[quote=SunnySide;1248282]Agreed. I think they thought they could get traded quickly last year, sign a new LTD and have everything go smoothly.

[B]Bruce factor. They didnt anticipate Bruce going against what most reasonable GMs would have done and just get picks and move on. Nope. Instead Bruce had to pull a "Kirk Cousins, the sequel". Make it personal. [/B]

Clearly their plan has failed miserably. Now Trent and his agent are sitting on the floor trying to glue back together mom's broken vase .. with little success.[/quote]

Lol the Bruce Factor. It was real and it was bad. Bruce made Skins live in Bizarro world. Sitting around eatin' olives as he burned things to the ground.

Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

If I ever see some sports show use Bruce Allen as a NFL “expert” , I may puke. He was the worst GM in the NFL in 2019 and it will take several seasons for the Redskins to crawl out from the crater he put us in!


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I think I'd take this and run ...

[url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/seven-nfl-trades-that-need-to-happen-before-draft-andy-dalton-yannick-ngakoue-brandin-cooks-on-the-move/?ftag=SNL-04-10aaa0b&ET_CID=126119&ET_RID=8670133[/url]


2. Redskins trade Trent Williams to the Buccaneers
Buccaneers get: Trent Williams
Redskins get: Donovan Smith and 2020 second-round pick (45th overall)


The Buccaneers made the biggest move of the offseason by signing Tom Brady, but that move isn't going to help very much if Brady ends up getting killed behind Tampa's very average offensive line. If there's one thing the Buccaneers absolutely need to do in the next few weeks, it's beef up their line, and that's where Trent Williams comes in.

The Redskins left tackle has made it pretty clear that he doesn't want to play for the Redskins anymore, and because of that, there's a good reason we're going to see him traded at some point between now and the draft. As a matter of fact, Williams' agent, Vincent Taylor, basically gave the Redskins an ultimatum just last week.

"[Trent] wants to be traded or released. It's time for the organization to act in a manner that is in both Williams' and the team's best interest," Taylor said.

Williams probably would have already been traded if the Redskins could make up their mind on an asking price, but apparently, no one seems to know what they're looking for, which is why Tampa will make an offer that the Redskins can't refuse. In this deal, the Buccaneers will offer left tackle Donovan Smith and the team's second-round pick in the 2020 NFL Draft. Throwing Smith in the deal does two things: It means the Redskins won't have a gaping hole at left tackle and it will also clear up some cap space for the Bucs, who could then use the extra money to sign Williams to an extension.

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Why would the Redskins want a mediocre/bad tackle? I would make the trade if Tampa added another pick. They could draft a tackle and add Penn for another year.

And Smith is scheduled to make $2 million more than Trent... plus Trent wants a new contract. Not going to happen.

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pass

Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[quote=Irrefutable;1248704]Why would the Redskins want a mediocre/bad tackle? I would make the trade if Tampa added another pick. They could draft a tackle and add Penn for another year.

And Smith is scheduled to make $2 million more than Trent... plus Trent wants a new contract. Not going to happen.[/quote]

Honestly, i dont know anything about Donovan Smith.

26 years old
2015 2R pick
70.8 PFF grade (which is good)

Cap hit of 14.5 in 2020, 14.25 in 2021 ... but if we cut him after 2020, there is 0 dead money. Basically a 1 year deal for 2020.
[url]https://overthecap.com/player/donovan-smith/3882/[/url]

Is Smith demanding a new contract? sounds like Trent situation. Facing the back end of a no guaranteed money contract.

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Id do it for the 2nd rounder alone. But I would also welcome Smith on a 1 year flyer for 14M.

Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

The PFF rating I saw was much lower (2019?). If he was demanding a new contract why would the Redskins want him?

Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[quote=Irrefutable;1248741]The PFF rating I saw was much lower (2019?). If he was demanding a new contract why would the Redskins want him?[/quote]

[url]https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/donovan-smith/9467[/url]

I dont know if he is demanding a new contract .. wondering why they would give a 2nd and throw this guy in there.

His contract situation sets him up as possibly wanting a new contract with more G money.

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So I heard Mike Floria say this morning (I know, I'm desperate for news) what happens to these trades where physicals have not been done and involve a pick in this upcoming draft? ie David Johnson is who they were referring to. What happens if/when David Johnson could not pass his physical and the Texans reject the trade...that HAS to happen before the Cardinals use their 2nd round pick from the Texans. I was just thinking if this is yet another thing that could be holding up teams from trading for Trent, knowing he didn't pass his last physical with the Skins last season, even though we all know what that was about.

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Fuck florio

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Team physicals are so subjective they’re practically meaningless


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[quote=MTK;1248894]Team physicals are so [B]subjective[/B] they’re practically meaningless


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If that's true, the Texans owner should order his team doctor to flunk David Johnson.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1248896]If that's true, the Texans owner should order his team doctor to flunk David Johnson.[/QUOTE]


It’s not a bad idea, but for some reason they keep letting O’Brien make embarrassingly bad trades


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[quote=MTK;1248894]Team physicals are so subjective they’re practically meaningless


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Much like home inspections.

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After they fire O'Brien he will be an analyst on espn.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1248903]After they fire O'Brien he will be an analyst on espn.[/quote]

A very poor one, at that

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I just really really hope this is resolved before the draft. 17 days to figure it out.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1248908]I just really really hope this is resolved before the draft. 17 days to figure it out.[/quote]Yes my hope also. He wants out and we need more players. The draft gives us the best opportunity. Need to move him now. I will be disappointed if he's not moved prior to the draft.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1248897]It’s not a bad idea, but for some reason they keep letting O’Brien make embarrassingly bad trades


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Too bad he didn’t offer to swap Hopkins for a Williams. Heck, he might have even thrown in a pick. Sigh.


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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1248908]I just really really hope this is resolved before the draft. 17 days to figure it out.[/quote]

I doubt it will be. I think we'll see an offer made for Trent for a 2nd day or later picks/player once there's a run on tackles in the draft.

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[quote=mooby;1249059]I doubt it will be. I think we'll see an offer made for Trent for a 2nd day or later picks/player once there's a run on tackles in the draft.[/quote]

At this point, I'd take a 3rd and a player depending on who the player is, but I think 5 OTs go in the first round. I also believe that they have a tentative agreement in place with a team dependent on which OTs go in the first 40 picks or so. Like if Tampa doesn't go OT in the first I could see them giving their 2nd for him. Or Minnesota same thing.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1249061]At this point, I'd take a 3rd and a player depending on who the player is, but I think 5 OTs go in the first round. I also believe that they have a tentative agreement in place with a team dependent on which OTs go in the first 40 picks or so. Like if Tampa doesn't go OT in the first I could see them giving their 2nd for him. Or Minnesota same thing.[/quote]

Because of the 5 tackles, we may not even have a trade partner. If I were a GM and my team needed a LT I'd rather draft one of the top guys and get him on a rookie deal for several years. I'd rather do that over dealing w/ a old, broken down malcontent and his stupid ass agent.

TW may have no choice but to suck up his wounded pride and come back here with his tail between his legs.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1249062]Because of the 5 tackles, we may not even have a trade partner. If I were a GM and my team needed a LT I'd rather draft one of the top guys and get him on a rookie deal for several years. I'd rather do that over dealing w/ a old, broken down malcontent and his stupid ass agent.

TW may have no choice but to suck up his wounded pride and come back here with his tail between his legs.[/quote]

Definitely agree. I think Trent has to go to a contender that doesn't hit on a draft pick. I really think the options to trade him are limited, what the Redskins want and what Trent wants eliminate a lot of teams.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1249062]Because of the 5 tackles, we may not even have a trade partner. If I were a GM and my team needed a LT I'd rather draft one of the top guys and get him on a rookie deal for several years. I'd rather do that over dealing w/ a old, broken down malcontent and his stupid ass agent.

TW may have no choice but to suck up his wounded pride and [B]come back here with his tail between his legs[/B].[/quote]

If it does come to that, I expect Trent and his agent to fight it every step of the way. Remember the "helmet doesn't fit" debacle last year? He'll show up but won't play for whatever stupid reason he comes up with.

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This whole situation is a joke, the fact that there was reports the browns offered two picks for him and we said no?! WTF now we are stuck in this spot again this yr with a new regime...

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If the Jets offer their two 3rd rounders I'm all over that, previously I said that's not enough but we've gotta move on from this already. I can't imagine Rivera wants to deal with this much longer.

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I just don't see anyone doing that now. They all know the skins are screwed because Trent says he will not play for us anymore. I would take just 1 3rd now F it.. See ya later

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[quote=MTK;1249103]If the Jets offer their two 3rd rounders I'm all over that, previously I said that's not enough but we've gotta move on from this already. I can't imagine Rivera wants to deal with this much longer.[/quote]

Welcome to the club! That would be considered a great haul to me at this point. Get er done!

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I still think Trent doesnt report until week 8, if he is not traded or renewed.

get what you can.

Comp pick is a back end 5th.

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No more signing guys with any non guaranteed years at the end. Clearly players are signing those to get all their money asap with no intention of playing out the whole contract. Gotta dangle that carrot every year.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1249114]No more signing guys with any non guaranteed years at the end. Clearly players are signing those to get all their money asap with no intention of playing out the whole contract. Gotta dangle that carrot every year.[/quote]

Amen.

Albert Haynesworth ... how we didnt learn from that front loaded deal is beyond me. I still 100% think he and his agent had every intent of forcing himself out of the contract after the 18 months or whatever it was for all that guaranteed money ... when they signed the contract.

They signed that with bad faith.

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One possible way to correct the problem (and teams do this all the time to create current cap space) ... just convert some salary now to guaranteed money on the back end.

If its for a vet you know you want to keep for the lifetime of the contract anyway, then theres no harm (unless that player suffers a career ending injury) .. in which case you would have to do a medical settlement/release anyway.

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[quote=The Skinsinator;1248912]Yes my hope also. He wants out and we need more players. The draft gives us the best opportunity. Need to move him now. I will be disappointed if he's not moved prior to the draft.[/quote]

I agree, keep in mind most teams interested in trading for Trent want to agree to a contract extension. I doubt an extension will be agreed upon in a last-second trade- thus decreasing his value