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I’d rather have a dominant front vs secondary .... but unless we upgrade talent in the secondary, I think it’s more likely than not Del Rio will have to compromise his ideal scheme to hide/protect the secondary.

If our d front can be top 10, that would be great but with a bottom 5 secondary ... I imagine o coordinators can exploit our weakness.

Del rio is inheriting perhaps the worst secondary unit on paper in the league.

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[quote=SunnySide;1249777]I’d rather have a dominant front vs secondary .... but unless we upgrade talent in the secondary, I think it’s more likely than not Del Rio will have to compromise his ideal scheme to hide/protect the secondary.

If our d front can be top 10, that would be great but with a bottom 5 secondary ... I imagine o coordinators can exploit our weakness.

Del rio is inheriting perhaps the worst secondary unit on paper in the league.[/quote]

Good pass rushing D lines save the @$$e$ of bad secondaries. But even good secondaries will break down with poor D lines that get no rush and give the QB all day.

Plus I think it’s easier to fill secondary weaknesses with talent than D line weaknesses with talent. Hard to come by dominant D linemen.

Rather have it this way than the other way.

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You can debate pass rush vs. pass coverage.

Why rush is more important is because those same players have a huge role in stopping the run game too. That's why the dline will always be 1st in my mind.

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As well as I've never saw a DB that can cover a WR. TE and/or RB for more than 7 seconds. JMO you gotta get to the QB.

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A pass rush can mask a so so secondary .. I’m not sure given enough time to sit in pocket th at even a good secondary can be successful.. If we go D there is no question that Young is the pick .. I’m sure that is what we are doing .. unless 😀

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[QUOTE=MTK;1249767]I think Del Rio is going to show just how bad Manusky was[/QUOTE]


Manusky was terrible, which is why no one will give him a real NFL job this season. I see Chase Young as being important to this year’s defense, but remember he is still a rookie and is learning the NFL ropes.

The KEY CHANGE for defense is having Del Rio and RR run a 4-3, which better suits our players talents, PLUS far better leadership and defense schemes. Del Rio has taken defensive teams to the TOP FIVE and I think he will do it again HERE, although we are probably a year away from getting to those heights.

However, I think we will get to the top 10 in defense THIS Year. We will have a fierce rush, and we have backups like Kerrigan and Ionnadis to keep everyone super fresh.


I think that if we took last year’s defense and JUST brought in Del Rio, he would at least make that defense “average”, just with his playcalling, schemes, instruction, leadership, etc. Dumping Manusky and bringing in Del Rio is that important.

I think the addition of Del Rio, drafting Chase and that addition of Davis at S and Fuller at CB, plus maybe one or two draft picks/UDFA who can add depth or compete for a defensive spot will help to transform this squad. The defense will be a more complete and competitive unit than the offense in 2020.


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[quote=Warthog;1249801]Manusky was terrible, which is why no one will give him a real NFL job this season. I see Chase Young as being important to this year’s defense, but remember he is still a rookie and is learning the NFL ropes.

The KEY CHANGE for defense is having Del Rio and RR run a 4-3, which better suits our players talents, PLUS far better leadership and defense schemes. Del Rio has taken defensive teams to the TOP FIVE and I think he will do it again HERE, although we are probably a year away from getting to those heights.

However, I think we will get to the top 10 in defense THIS Year. We will have a fierce rush, and we have backups like Kerrigan and Ionnadis to keep everyone super fresh.


I think that if we took last year’s defense and JUST brought in Del Rio, he would at least make that defense “average”, just with his playcalling, schemes, instruction, leadership, etc. Dumping Manusky and bringing in Del Rio is that important.

I think the addition of Del Rio, drafting Chase and that addition of Davis at S and Fuller at CB, plus maybe one or two draft picks/UDFA who can add depth or compete for a defensive spot will help to transform this squad. The defense will be a more complete and competitive unit than the offense in 2020.


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Do you (or anyone) see the possibility that someone like Jimmy Moreland takes a step forward in his sophomore campaign under new defensive leadership?

If we can have just one of our young secondary guys make that step up, it will go a long way to vaulting our defense into the top 10.

I'm hopeful this happens ... but I'm definitely a glass half full kinda guy.

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1249812]Do you (or anyone) see the possibility that someone like Jimmy Moreland takes a step forward in his sophomore campaign under new defensive leadership?

If we can have just one of our young secondary guys make that step up, it will go a long way to vaulting our defense into the top 10.

I'm hopeful this happens ... but I'm definitely a glass half full kinda guy.[/quote]

Stroman or Moreland making a leap and we draft a solid secondary player, and I'll feel pretty damn good about the sedondary. Of course we won't know until they actually start practicing/playing and who knows when that starts happening.

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[QUOTE=Pervis_Griffith;1249812]Do you (or anyone) see the possibility that someone like Jimmy Moreland takes a step forward in his sophomore campaign under new defensive leadership?

If we can have just one of our young secondary guys make that step up, it will go a long way to vaulting our defense into the top 10.

I'm hopeful this happens ... but I'm definitely a glass half full kinda guy.[/QUOTE]


I’m interested in seeing how good Sean Davis is a our S and whether Fuller can regain his mojo here. Davis was hurt all last year but if he can stay healthy he may work well with Collins.

I was disappointed with how the Dunbar situation was dealt with. Dunbar was on the last year of his contract but had no guarantee money. If Dunbar got hurt this season, he would not get paid. He saw many other Redskins get hurt in the last two years and he wanted to fix that. He certainly could have done it better then to ask, in the media, for a new contract or trade. Definitely immature. BUT he had an excellent 2019 season - bringing him to the top of the NFL in his position. Why didn’t Rivera show him the love by offering him the guaranteed money he wanted in a one year deal OR giving him a longer contract, also with the guaranteed money.
Instead, they just traded him for a FIFTH rounder. Our best CB, one of the best in the NFL, for a crap draft pick. Now we have a big hole at CB. RR certainly didn’t want a malcontent on the team, nor to give a long contract to a guy who he had not seen play. STILL, sometimes being a leader means convincing people of your vision, versus just ordering them around. Could they have worked harder to see if Dunbar would stay, while giving him some of the guaranteed money he wanted? Are the Redskins good enough to just cast off really good players who have a beef?


Can Moreland move up within the CB crew? Maybe - I’d like to see him progress. Can Fuller get back to the playing level he was at before the trade to KC? I think so. But I’d still feel better if we had Dunbar. I think that CB will be a weak point in the squad for this season. They may draft a low pick at CB for a project player. But CB probably will need new talent from the draft or FA in 2021.


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You make some good points .. I look at Dunbar like Trent both went on record that they wanted out .. It would be great to Have Trent and Dunbar on the team but if they don’t wanna be here ..

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Scot McCloughan tells @team980 that Chase Young is the best DE talent he has scouted in the 28 years of his career as a talent evaluator.

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Chase has a 7.37 grade vs Nick Bosa 7.00

[url]https://www.nfl.com/draft/tracker/prospects[/url]

[url]https://www.nfl.com/prospects/chase-young?id=3219594f-5514-6550-d662-263c81d981b1[/url]

[url]https://www.nfl.com/prospects/nick-bosa?id=3219424f-5307-3285-8013-e0658c01933d[/url]

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And Bosa is a beast. Can't wait until it's made official. So close!

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1249822]You make some good points .. I look at Dunbar like Trent both went on record that they wanted out .. It would be great to Have Trent and Dunbar on the team but if they don’t wanna be here ..[/QUOTE]


I agree. I don’t know why players air it out in the media. Maybe because it’s so easy to do so, because the media likes conflict and dirt.

Still I’d have been more impressed with Rivera if he had convinced both players of his vision for the team and why they should stay on the team. Perhaps he did, but it still came down to these players wanting too much money. I think in Dunbars case, RR wanted to “make an example” to show that he wants players on his program - or they can leave. But letting two very good players go, when this is one of the worst franchises in the NFL, is a bit much.

At least until Rivera can show the Redskins how to win, the team may have to overpay players to stay. I’d like to see the “home grown” talented players stay on the team. The only player to do so is Kerrigan. We need more like him, although that is not the way of the NFL any more.


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I'd like to know if we have shown any interest in Logan Ryan at all? Not saying he's the be all but he would be an upgrade and ease the pressure on finding a CB in the draft (or free up a pick for another need).

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1249837]I'd like to know if we have shown any interest in Logan Ryan at all? Not saying he's the be all but he would be an upgrade and ease the pressure on finding a CB in the draft (or free up a pick for another need).[/quote]

I don't know if the Redskins have shown any interest but I read somewhere that his asking price was a non-starter with some other teams.

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Only the redskins can jack this draft up with the first round pick lol.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1249845]I don't know if the Redskins have shown any interest but I read somewhere that his asking price was a non-starter with some other teams.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I read that too, but that was weeks ago at the start of FA. The longer he goes looking for more money the less he's going to get as teams will use the draft and come back to him as last resort. Not sure I understand some players and how they overvalue themselves; there's self confidence and delusion...

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Chase Young wants to wear 99 in the NFL.. That's a sick #

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Did a new Redskins mock draft tonight. This one assumes a trade with the Dolphins for their three first-rounders. Would you rather see this kind of draft or one where the Skins take Chase Young?

[img]https://i.imgur.com/Tp55PsI.png[/img]

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1249902]Did a new Redskins mock draft tonight. This one assumes a trade with the Dolphins for their three first-rounders. Would you rather see this kind of draft or one where the Skins take Chase Young?

[img]https://i.imgur.com/Tp55PsI.png[/img][/quote]

I want Chase Young. I think Okudah would be great. But, if the other two picks are not stellar (not the players in your mock, but the players we actually pick) we are likely blowing a rare opportunity for a great player. I think the top tackles would all be gone at 18, too.

If we can get a player at 66 that can come in and contribute, I would be even more fine with staying put. We have some available spots.

In 1981 the Skins had a similar draft set up except we didn't have the number 2 pick. We took Mark May at 20, Russ Grimm at 69 and Dexter Manley at 119. I'm not suggesting that will happen, but Young at 2 and a good pick in the 3rd would work for me.

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[quote=SpeedyDuncan;1249905]I want Chase Young. I think Okudah would be great. But, if the other two picks are not stellar (not the players in your mock, but the players we actually pick) we are likely blowing a rare opportunity for a great player. I think the top tackles would all be gone at 18, too.

If we can get a player at 66 that can come in and contribute, I would be even more fine with staying put. We have some available spots.

In 1981 the Skins had a similar draft set up except we didn't have the number 2 pick. We took Mark May at 20, Russ Grimm at 69 and Dexter Manley at 119. I'm not suggesting that will happen, but Young at 2 and a good pick in the 3rd would work for me.[/quote]

I TOTALLY agree, but I wanted to mock it the other way and see how it would go. Any other year I would be ecstatic with this draft, but if we pass on Chase I think we will regret it for a decade.

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"Meanwhile, separately, I'm told that an NFL GM from a team within the top 7 has been calling multiple times trying to get Chase Young on the phone for a 1-on-1 entering this week, per source. Source did not want to indicate whether the call took place since."

Josina Anderson

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Also

Source: The Washington #Redskins are still fielding inquiries of potential interest as of this morning, but one team in particular has already laid out a 'complete deal' for their #No. 2 pick.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249931]Also

Source: The Washington #Redskins are still fielding inquiries of potential interest as of this morning, but one team in particular has already laid out a 'complete deal' for their #No. 2 pick.[/quote]

I [U]forbid[/U] any trade with the Giants for the #2 pick. Going through the misery of Lawrence Taylor's career against us was bad enough for one lifetime.

I also [U]insist[/U] that Detroit select CY at #3 if this trade must happen.

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So it seems like Ron is serious when he talks about having more picks, a trade may not even happen but if it does I will be fine with it

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Of course more picks would be nice but unless it's an insane deal we can't refuse it's not going to happen

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249938]So it seems like Ron is serious when he talks about having more picks, a trade may not even happen but if it does I will be fine with it

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I'll hate it if we don't take Chase Young. Nevertheless, I'm always going to be a Redskins fan and I believe that RR needs to be able to do what he thinks is best for the team, so I think I'll be able to support him if he trades the #2 pick. That is, as long as he doesn't get fleeced in the trade or trade the pick to a team in our division.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1249940]I'll hate it if we don't take Chase Young. Nevertheless, I'm always going to be a Redskins fan and I believe that RR needs to be able to do what he thinks is best for the team, so I think I'll be able to support him if he trades the #2 pick. That is, as long as he doesn't get fleeced in the trade or trade the pick to a team in our division.[/QUOTE]Like Matt was saying, I doubt they deal it unless it's well worth it. If a team really wants #2 they will throw in the ammo. If it's Miami then Simmons at 5 would be nice or LT. Then the other picks can be CB/WR. It'll be fun to see what happens

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We better not over think this. I want at least 4 1st round picks over the next 3 years and at least 2 2nd round picks and 3 3rd picks.

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Ian Rapoport
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"[B]With one big trade done and final[/B], could another one be on the way? The #Redskins have talked to multiple teams about a potential trade of LT Trent Williams, sources say. With the NFL Draft a day away, and a physical necessary, the clock is ticking Hourglass with flowing sand."

[I]What does Rappaport mean by the bolded part? I can't tell if he's saying the trade for the #2 pick is done or if he was referring back to the Gronk trade.[/I]

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1249948]Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
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1h
"[B]With one big trade done and final[/B], could another one be on the way? The #Redskins have talked to multiple teams about a potential trade of LT Trent Williams, sources say. With the NFL Draft a day away, and a physical necessary, the clock is ticking Hourglass with flowing sand."

[I]What does Rappaport mean by the bolded part? I can't tell if he's saying the trade for the #2 pick is done or if he was referring back to the Gronk trade.[/I][/quote]

Gronk I would assume but who knows haha this is going to be a fun draft

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I hope he meant Gronk.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1249947]We better not over think this. I want at least 4 1st round picks over the next 3 years and at least 2 2nd round picks and 3 3rd picks.[/quote]

All for #2? That isn't happening and it shouldn't. Neither Tua, Chase or whoever is worth that much.

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Lies, lies, lies can't get a physical ask Gronk for the name of his Doctor. I'm guessing he makes house calls.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249949]Gronk I would assume but who knows haha this is going to be a fun draft[/quote]


Yeah ... his tweet before this one was about Gronk ...

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249951]All for #2? That isn't happening and it shouldn't. Neither Tua, Chase or whoever is worth that much.[/quote]

Yes I believe CY has the potential to be that good he still needs to put a lot of work in but the work ethic is already there JMO. So if we trade out of #2 and give up CY it's got to be worth it.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1249951]All for #2? That isn't happening and it shouldn't. Neither Tua, Chase or whoever is worth that much.[/QUOTE]

Totally agree, but in principle the trade offer has to favour us. If it's effectively an equivalency offer then there is less incentive to take it.

i.e. Your car is worth $1500 and you like it and someone offers you $1500 for it. Unless you have a need to sell (which we don;t) why are you parting with something you like for it's street value? If you get an offer for $1600 then you think hard about it and $2000 you probably say hell yeah and buy an equivalent car and come away $500 richer.

Any offer for #2 has to at least slightly over value the pick to give us incentive to do the deal. 2 x rd1's is not enough. 3 might be but I'd hold out for 4, given that barring a miracle any future pick from Miami is going to be mid round next year at best. I just don't see how Miami is that desperate given Tua could easily fall to #5.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1249961]Totally agree, but in principle the trade offer has to favour us. If it's effectively an equivalency offer then there is less incentive to take it.

i.e. Your car is worth $1500 and you like it and someone offers you $1500 for it. Unless you have a need to sell (which we don;t) why are you parting with something you like for it's street value? If you get an offer for $1600 then you think hard about it and $2000 you probably say hell yeah and buy an equivalent car and come away $500 richer.

Any offer for #2 has to at least slightly over value the pick to give us incentive to do the deal. 2 x rd1's is not enough. 3 might be but I'd hold out for 4, given that barring a miracle any future pick from Miami is going to be mid round next year at best. I just don't see how Miami is that desperate given Tua could easily fall to #5.[/quote]


I don't know ... I think our $1500 car has serious transmission issues, and we can't fix that. Therefore, our $1500 car just won't go for us.

The guy we can sell this too can fix that transmission and make it go for him.

I think that's more the reality in this picture.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1249824]Scot McCloughan tells @team980 that Chase Young is the best DE talent he has scouted in the 28 years of his career as a talent evaluator.[/quote]

He also tell you Josh Doctson is a amazing talent.