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[quote=EdmundDorf;1314226]Here comes that sinking feeling again. For all those in favour of protecting a compensatory pick, is the 98th pick in the draft really worth having over a [B]viable[/B] starter at MLB for 2-3 years. I am not so sure. They have not replaced the hybrid/ buffalo nickel position either. After last year Hudson is not an exciting prospect either[/quote]

I wonder if there is a chance Collins will resign with us? I haven't seen any reports about Collins talking to any team, so I bet that will make him to reconsider his wishes.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1314234]Ron once again calls out CY “last year was a wake up call for him, I’m excited to see him during the off season this year”

It sounds like Chase didn’t do Jack shit last summer… and it showed


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He sure as hell better be showing up for all the offseason workouts and camps.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1314238]He sure as hell better be showing up for all the offseason workouts and camps.[/QUOTE]


That rookie year got to his ego , glad he was humbled last year


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we are short in a few area,s we need some good depth at D T we need either a MLB or another OLB a starter ,another T E , and definatley more CB help

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1314239]That rookie year got to his ego , [B]glad he was humbled last year[/B]

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This is still TBD. Hopefully he's not a "generational" talent with a JaMarcus Russell work ethic.

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[quote=GridIron26;1314237]I wonder if there is a chance Collins will resign with us? I haven't seen any reports about Collins talking to any team, so I bet that will make him to reconsider his wishes.[/quote]

Collins and his agent were not happy with the team when he was let go, so he will probably take a minimum deal anywhere but here to prove his point

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1314223]Ben Standig
@BenStandig
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We've been waiting for the Commanders to strike in free agency for a middle linebacker. GM Martin Mayhew said today the answer might already be on the roster in Cole Holcomb.[/quote]

Definitely has legs.
[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2022/3/29/23001303/its-time-to-extend-cole-holcomb[/url]

Rivera leaned into idea of Holcomb at MLB. Said post season eval and discussion reshaped the view of Holcomb's play and impact

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1314223]Ben Standig
@BenStandig
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We've been waiting for the Commanders to strike in free agency for a middle linebacker. GM Martin Mayhew said today the answer might already be on the roster in Cole Holcomb.[/quote]

Stupid. H

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Shuffling chairs on the Titanic.

Then we need a SAM linebacker. We have 2 guys that should start, to take-up 3 positions.

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So we'll basically have three LBs learning new positions next year instead of finding a true MLB... Sounds like a plan.

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Honestly don't know why the idea of CH at MLB is viewed as a bad idea by some.

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[quote=MTK;1314250]Honestly don't know why the idea of CH at MLB is viewed as a bad idea by some.[/quote]

I'm pretty sure it would help in any free agent negotiations for it to be known that they have a plan for that position.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1314249]So we'll basically have three LBs learning new positions next year instead of finding a true MLB... Sounds like a plan.[/quote]

This. Everyone can see the hole, if Holcomb was the answer then he woulda been there last year.

Big swing and miss by Ron with Davis pick. They claimed over and over he was the answer at MLB. And let’s not bring up Bostic at mlb who was a disaster.

They have had multiple affordable options at mlb the last couple years. Hopefully they can find an option, teams can still cut someone and their still some players out there. Let’s hope we can fill this obvious hole in the d

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[quote=MTK;1314250]Honestly don't know why the idea of CH at MLB is viewed as a bad idea by some.[/quote]

I'm not sure it's a 'bad' idea long term. However, how much has he played the position? I'm asking because I honestly don't know. I feel like he hasn't played MLB much. How much has J Davis played WLB or SLB? They tried him at MLB last year when he wasn't on the bench. He may be better suited to be the WLB and I think he played outside towards the end of the season, but not a whole lot of reps. Then who is going to play SLB? You could have three LBs learning new positions next year which is a recipe for bad things.

For me it just seems like after two years they are still bumbling through the LB position, which is amazing given the fact that both RR and JDR are former LBs. You would think that the one position they would have squared away is the LB position.

At least there will be continuity in the secondary - because between the secondary and the LBs last year - they were competing for the worst unit award.

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I don't think the learning curve would be that steep for CH at all. He knows the system, he's a smart dude, and he can play.

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[quote=Chico23231;1314252]This. Everyone can see the hole, [B]if Holcomb was the answer then he woulda been there last year. [/B]
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This! It really seems like they are saying, we don't want to pay a lot for the one of the vets out there in free agency, what can we do with what we already have?? They tried Apke at corner too...everyone remember that? F the compensatory pick, sign Wagner or someone willing to come here, and get better on defense!

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Cole is smart and plays tough. But he just doesn’t have the physical tools to be that guy. He is always headed in the right direction but two steps too slow. If he is that guy we are in trouble. Imo he is a superb depth guy no matter where he is lining up. I wanted him replaced not promoted lol.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1314254]
For me it just seems like after two years they are still bumbling through the LB position, which is amazing given the fact that both RR and JDR are former LBs. You would think that the one position they would have squared away is the LB.[/quote]

This what puzzles me. My up beat view on picking Davis last year was based on the idea that these guys know what they are doing. But going into their third year they have failed to draft or develop any LBs of note.

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Bobby Wagner still unsigned means he wants to much $$. He's a damn good player but he's also on the downslide of his career. Fletcher was too and came in and was amazing but the odds of that are slim

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[quote=punch it in;1314258]Cole is smart and plays tough. But he just doesn’t have the physical tools to be that guy. He is always headed in the right direction but two steps too slow. If he is that guy we are in trouble. Imo he is a superb depth guy no matter where he is lining up. I wanted him replaced not promoted lol.[/quote]

CH too slow?

Dude runs like a 4.5 in the 40. I don't ever recall thinking damn this dude is slow.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1314260]Bobby Wagner still unsigned means he wants to much $$. He's a damn good player but he's also on the downslide of his career. Fletcher was too and came in and was amazing but the odds of that are slim[/quote]

He reportedly wants 1 year $11M. That's tough for anyone to take that big of a hit for a one year rental.

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Big turnoff if having to burn another high pick at LB this upcoming draft.

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[quote=Chico23231;1314263]Big turnoff if having to burn another high pick at LB this upcoming draft.[/quote]

There are only 22 positions, they are all very important. I never get this type thinking. Same reason I was perfectly fine drafting Scherff when we did.

Give me a stud, I don't care what position they play. If we draft another LB and he kicks ass we will all love him.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1314264]There are only 22 positions, they are all very important. I never get this type thinking. Same reason I was perfectly fine drafting Scherff when we did.

Give me a stud, I don't care what position they play. If we draft another LB and he kicks ass we will all love him.[/quote]

How about develop the LB you just drafted? Giving up and swinging again the year after at a LB position is really bad work by Ron, Mayhew (who has a history of being garbage), and FO.

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Any consideration this may be smoke screening to temper the FA demands or convince others we won't draft MLB at #11? I mean if Devin Lloyd is still there when we pick would we be fools to not take him? Or we can take Kyle Hamilton and pick up an MLB in later rounds/after the draft? I'm not inclined to read too much into what Ron says before the draft.

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Just one man's film breakdown but I think gives you an idea of what to expect if Holcomb plays MLB [url]https://markbullock.substack.com/p/david-mayo-highlighted-washingtons?s=r[/url]

Solid job making calls and playing middle but better suited outside.

One of the things I give credit to staff and Holcomb is I felt earlier in season he was out of position and having to close on the play and later in the season was in position better. Perhaps French with his superior use of technology and keen eye might be able to validate or refute what I was seeing.

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[quote=Chico23231;1314265]How about develop the LB you just drafted? Giving up and swinging again the year after at a LB position is really bad work by Ron, Mayhew (who has a history of being garbage), and FO.[/quote]

Coaches aren't giving up on Davis... LB is still a big need regardless of what happens with him and will likely be a big target in the draft

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[quote=Chico23231;1314265]How about develop the LB you just drafted? Giving up and swinging again the year after at a LB position is really bad work by Ron, Mayhew (who has a history of being garbage), and FO.[/quote]

I don't think they are giving up on him. I think they have just found out that he is better at WLB. He is fast, I have no problem letting him be a playmaker out there.

Similar to moving Scherff from T to G. I'd rather have an excellent G than a mediocre T.

I'd rather have an excellent WLB (Davis isn't this yet) than a mediocre MLB (which he was, at best).

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1314267]Just one man's film breakdown but I think gives you an idea of what to expect if Holcomb plays MLB [url]https://markbullock.substack.com/p/david-mayo-highlighted-washingtons?s=r[/url]

Solid job making calls and playing middle but better suited outside.

One of the things I give credit to staff and Holcomb is I felt earlier in season he was out of position and having to close on the play and later in the season was in position better. Perhaps French with his superior use of technology and keen eye might be able to validate or refute what I was seeing.[/quote]

I recall him playing really well at SAM. I'd prefer to leave him there. Davis, MLB Draft Pick/FA, Holcomb, would be by preference.

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Coach Ron Rivera: 'Tired' of Washington Commanders being 'easy target,' but winning is the fix

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33622015/tired-washington-commanders-being-easy-target-way-fix-winning[/url]

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Here is a good article regarding Holcomb's development as a LB and his flexibility.

[url]https://www.commanders.com/news/cole-holcomb-took-steps-as-leader-and-play-caller[/url]

Maybe he is the plan for MLB. Then Davis at WLB and Devin Lloyd at SLB...?

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1314273]Here is a good article regarding Holcomb's development as a LB and his flexibility.

[url]https://www.commanders.com/news/cole-holcomb-took-steps-as-leader-and-play-caller[/url]

Maybe he is the plan for MLB. Then Davis at WLB and Devin Lloyd at SLB...?[/quote]

If we end up with Lloyd, I'll like our LB starting 3, regardless of where they line up. They can just slide over each play if they like lol.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1314261]CH too slow?

Dude runs like a 4.5 in the 40. I don't ever recall thinking damn this dude is slow.[/QUOTE]


Well maybe he wasn’t in position like I thought. Just remember him constantly being two steps short of making a play.
Bottom line I dont want him playing mlb. Not starting.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1314264]There are only 22 positions, they are all very important. I never get this type thinking. Same reason I was perfectly fine drafting Scherff when we did.

Give me a stud, I don't care what position they play. If we draft another LB and he kicks ass we will all love him.[/QUOTE]


Totally agree. I think mlb is ultra important though. Just draft one that can fuckin play. I can’t watch opposing tight ends torch us for another year.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1314271]I recall him playing really well at SAM. I'd prefer to leave him there. Davis, MLB Draft Pick/FA, Holcomb, would be by preference.[/quote]

I agree completely. It's clear to me that Holcomb is a Sam and Davis is a Will. Plus this is a very good year to draft a true modern Mike LB, IMO.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1314267]Just one man's film breakdown but I think gives you an idea of what to expect if Holcomb plays MLB [url]https://markbullock.substack.com/p/david-mayo-highlighted-washingtons?s=r[/url]

Solid job making calls and playing middle but better suited outside.

One of the things I give credit to staff and Holcomb is I felt earlier in season he was out of position and having to close on the play and later in the season was in position better. Perhaps French with his superior use of technology and keen eye might be able to validate or refute what I was seeing.[/quote]

You're giving me way too much credit both on the technology and eye skills front, I'm just a football curious guy.
I think Mark Bullock's breakdown are awesome, just don't have enough time to read em all so I didn't subscribe.

I've always liked Holcomb, I have to be honest I don't remember noticing a massive difference throughout the season. [I]I think he's way better in coverage than he's given credit for[/I]. I actually remember posting his coverage on Elliott, one of the plays highlighted in this [URL="https://www.hogshaven.com/2022/3/29/23001303/its-time-to-extend-cole-holcomb"]link initially posted by BaltimoreSkin[/URL] .

My issue is I'm not sure he's [I][U]physical enough[/U][/I] to secure the center of your defense, he's making a lot plays because [I]he's smart and quite fast[/I], but he's not big for a LB and it's not like he got eye popping speed nor is he a huge hitter.
I actually think he's an [I]underrated asset[/I], but we need a [I][U]sure thing at MLB[/U][/I], a tough physical guy.

Some are available, so I don't get why you would go through the bother of having 2 guys transition to new positions + force yourself to find a [I]NFL ready starting outside LB in the draft[/I] while you could just sign a veteran MLB and [I]finally have a complete LB squad.[/I]

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I agree French.

For me it just goes back to - Why is the position group with the most questions, the one that both the Head Coach and D Coordinator played?

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1314303]I agree French.

For me it just goes back to - Why is the position group with the most questions, the one that both the Head Coach and D Coordinator played?[/quote]

Yeah that's crazy. Maybe it's actually because of and not in spite of.
Maybe they feel like as ex LBs they can coach up anybody and are a bit caught up in their ego like "nah we don't need to spend big $ at LB, let us find gems that nobody else saw and coach em up!". Just speculating.

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This draft is rich with guys you can plug-n-play at MLB. Yes, there will be growing pains, but EVERY rookie has those. Get one of those and leave Davis and Holcomb where they play the best.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1314305]This draft is rich with guys you can plug-n-play at MLB. Yes, there will be growing pains, but EVERY rookie has those. Get one of those and leave Davis and Holcomb where they play the best.[/quote]

Not knowing much about college football I'll have to trust you on that.
But I get the feeling MLB may be the hardest defensive position to learn in the NFL, you're making the calls, you have to know all other 10 players's assignment, and read both an NFL passing offense and an NFL run blocking scheme.
I also feel like you never want to be in a position to have to reach, and to me with no pre draft signing this is such a need that they would almost have to, unless they are in continuous contact with available FA MLBs interested to sign here after the draft...