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[quote=mheisig;370853]Believe me, the feeling is mutual. And it extends well beyond this thread.

In other news, the Redskins lost yesterday. Back to football.[/quote]

BTW.....I have never smoked any crack in my life and I'm not a loser. No need to personally attack someone you don't even know. Take a chill pill bro.

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[quote=12thMan;370784]wait a minute, wait a minute...like I told someone a few minutes ago, we had 60 minutes to send these guys after brady and couldn't get it done. no reason to think that because we're pissed at them for running up the score, we would all of a sudden get a good shot on brady.

i guess we have different definitions of "class" though.[/quote]


I am not sure if it was you I answered on this, but I agree. I would have started blitzing late 2nd, or start of the 2nd half. We couldn't stop them sitting back, so why not blitz. My point was we didn't blitz all day, and this was just added fuel to hit brady and show Belichek we were not going to stand for them running the score up. I have always been tought to win with class, and that wasn't it yesterday. However, there are unwritten rules that are not or should not broken. I was pitcher through college and there are a ton of unwritten rules there, as I am sure there are in football. Had someone shown us up or me up, there was retrobution. Now, is that classless?? No, i think its payback, which is acceptable to me. If they wanted to leave Brady in the game and run the score up, show no respect for Gibbs, then make them pay for it. if we had gone after brady, or drilled Moss a couple of time or who ever, I dont think we would be looked at as classless, we would be looked at like a team that stood up for ourselves and won't take that kind of crap. Now we sort of look like a bunch whiners about getting our asses whipped. Personally, I would have gone the "hit him every play, F*** the 15 yard penalties" route.

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Good lord people, some of you are hung up on what is legal and allowed by rule when the rest of us are saying there are the rules and there is the spirit of the game. What is this, Clinton's impeachment hearing?

Belichick is the kind of guy who pushes the boundaries of everything and dances on that line of what's "allowed" by rule, then feigns ignorance because it's not his job to care about the spirit of the game.

If that's how he wants to play it, vaya con dios. Somebody will return the favor eventually. It's philosophically no different than the whole "call timeout when a kicker is already in his kicking motion" crap. It might be "legal" but it's bush league and reflects a "win at all costs" mentality that poisons sport in general.

And if you guys think that isn't a problem you've obviously never been to a little league game full of rabid, screaming, overbearing parents, or read all the tragic stories about high school football players roiding out in an effort to stay ahead of the competition.

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I work with a Patriots fan and we just had a heated, VERY heated discussion about this. Its funny how most of us and sports columnist, experts feel this was classless act by what transpired on the field yesterday, he was flipping out defending his coach and team. I for one am a diehard skins fan and I guess I was brought up during Gibbs 1 and am i guessed spoiled by having a coach with class. Winning with class, losing with class is what I have always known. its amazes me to see how feverishly he was defending his teams actions and didn't think it was classless if not unwaranted behavior by his coach. I eventually had to end the conversation because I was getting a little over heated. It was not the fact we got our asses whipped, it is the fashion at which the patriots were instructed to play by their coach. He just could not see this and kept screaming this is what they are paid to do. I guess I was hoping to have a conversation with a knowledgable fan that understands the meaning of winning with class, but I guess I was wrong.

I just became on of the biggest colt supporters for next week. and who ever else plays their sorry asses the rest of the year. I hope he tries this shit with someone that has no patience or tollerance for that crap.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;370537]First, it's pretty typical that you are gloating over this loss. I am not sure whether you are a Redskins fan who is hurt so much by each loss, or you are a Cowboys fan who loves to watch the Redskins lose so you can post things on this site.

Second, those of us who don't like what Belichick did (i.e., running up the score) don't absolve Gibbs, the other coaches, or the players from blame. You are confusing the issue. We think that Belichick has no class, we don't think it is Belichick's responsibility to win for us. You know that, so don't try to get cute with your arguments.

I still find your fascination with and defense of Spurrier laughable in light of your attacks on Gibbs.[/QUOTE]

Your whole post is laughable, when was I a big SS supporter, I didn't want us to hire the guy in the first place and now I am his biggest fan? I have a problem with college coaches who win because they can recruit, SS is a good college coach and with the best talent can win but he never impressed me as a genious!

Talk about typical? Here you are looking for some way to defend, and divert responsibility away from your beloved Gibbs! If you think Belichik has no class then point out his classless acts personally because class starts with who you are, this post said he has no class because he ran up the score, that's to bad, because a coach runs up the score in a game that everyone considers a business inc. the players where there are millions of dollars involved that's not classless, as a person he may be but I really don't know the man well enough to make that assumption, maybe you do?


I have a question for you, how appalled where you 2 seasons ago when we had the cowboys dead and buried in the 4th quarter and they were trying to move the ball for a consolation TD and Williams kept sending multiple blitzes at Bledsoe? I remember Bledsoe taking a beating of beatings that last drive did you have a problem with that? Because if I remember correctly most here thought it was great? I didn't have a problem with it at the time but then again I'm not a hypocrite. So is G. Williams a classless individual as well? I would love your expert opinion!

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[quote=offiss;370949]Your whole post is laughable, when was I a big SS supporter, I didn't want us to hire the guy in the first place and now I am his biggest fan? I have a problem with college coaches who win because they can recruit, SS is a good college coach and with the best talent can win but he never impressed me as a genious!

Talk about typical? Here you are looking for some way to defend, and divert responsibility away from your beloved Gibbs! If you think Belichik has no class then point out his classless acts personally because class starts with who you are, this post said he has no class because he ran up the score, that's to bad, because a coach runs up the score in a game that everyone considers a business inc. the players where there are millions of dollars involved that's not classless, as a person he may be but I really don't know the man well enough to make that assumption, maybe you do?


[B]I have a question for you, how appalled where you 2 seasons ago when we had the cowboys dead and buried in the 4th quarter and they were trying to move the ball for a consolation TD and Williams kept sending multiple blitzes at Bledsoe? I remember Bledsoe taking a beating of beatings that last drive did you have a problem with that? Because if I remember correctly most here thought it was great? I didn't have a problem with it at the time but then again I'm not a hypocrite. So is G. Williams a classless individual as well? I would love your expert opinion![/B] [/quote]

C'mon dude we didn't run up the score in that one. It was 35-7 but it could have been much, much worse. We weren't blitzing much either, Daniels was just beating his man one on one. There's just no comparing that game to this one.

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[QUOTE=Redskin;370605]And thats why no one likes you or your garbage mentality[/QUOTE]

Wow, I guess Irish has his nerve for actually having his own opinion, a little out of line with that don't you think?

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[quote=offiss;370949]Your whole post is laughable, when was I a big SS supporter, I didn't want us to hire the guy in the first place and now I am his biggest fan? I have a problem with college coaches who win because they can recruit, SS is a good college coach and with the best talent can win but he never impressed me as a genious!

Talk about typical? Here you are looking for some way to defend, and divert responsibility away from your beloved Gibbs! If you think Belichik has no class then point out his classless acts personally because class starts with who you are, this post said he has no class because he ran up the score, that's to bad, because a coach runs up the score in a game that everyone considers a business inc. the players where there are millions of dollars involved that's not classless, as a person he may be but I really don't know the man well enough to make that assumption, maybe you do?


I have a question for you, how appalled where you 2 seasons ago when we had the cowboys dead and buried in the 4th quarter and they were trying to move the ball for a consolation TD and Williams kept sending multiple blitzes at Bledsoe? I remember Bledsoe taking a beating of beatings that last drive did you have a problem with that? Because if I remember correctly most here thought it was great? I didn't have a problem with it at the time but then again I'm not a hypocrite. So is G. Williams a classless individual as well? I would love your expert opinion![/quote]


correct me if I am wrong, or show me some 4th quarter film, but most if not all those sacks late came from the front 3 or 4. None were blitzes in the 4th quarter. Besides the fact we ran the ball the entire 4th quarter. that is a coach winning with class.
speaking of him as a person, have no clue, but from what we do know he seems to be a jackass. Stealing signs, cheating on his wife, refusing to shake Mangini's hand after getting his ass whipped by the Jets, I am sure there are other examples i have forgotten or not privy to.

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[quote=Mattyk72;370956]C'mon dude we didn't run up the score in that one. It was 35-7 but it could have been much, much worse. We weren't blitzing much either, Daniels was just beating his man one on one. There's just no comparing that game to this one.[/quote]If I remember correctly we were definately blitzing in that one.

One question for offiss though: do you really need to show class when playing your bitter rival? I don't think you do.

The Pats haven't shown class to anyone, and it all goes back to the media trying to make a mockery of the Patriot way earlier this year. Damn, if they did that to me, I'd destroy the entire league too and then tell the media to go shove it.

It's important to remember that this isn't Bill Belichick vs. the Redskins. This is Bill Belichick to the NFL.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;370615]My point was why do Redskins fans care what BB does in his personal life? Why do the fans care if Brady fathered a child out of wedlock, or is on People magazine? It's like fans are trying to place blame anywhere except at our own team.

Why can't we discuss why nobody bothered to cover Vrabel on the same play he has ran since 04? Or why we just sat back and let Brady have all day to pass? Or why we can't get a 1st down?

Matt Cassell is NE's back-up QB. He never ever gets to play cause Brady has started every game since 01. So when he gets a chance to play what in the world is he suppose to do? Go in and hand it off? I can bet NE's coaching staff is thinking get this guy some game experience in case anything happens to Brady. They are always thinking ahead, unlike our coaching staff.[/QUOTE]


Absolutly!

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[quote=#56fanatic;370948]I work with a Patriots fan and we just had a heated, VERY heated discussion about this. Its funny how most of us and sports columnist, experts feel this was classless act by what transpired on the field yesterday, he was flipping out defending his coach and team. I for one am a diehard skins fan and I guess I was brought up during Gibbs 1 and am i guessed spoiled by having a coach with class. Winning with class, losing with class is what I have always known. its amazes me to see how feverishly he was defending his teams actions and didn't think it was classless if not unwaranted behavior by his coach. I eventually had to end the conversation because I was getting a little over heated. It was not the fact we got our asses whipped, it is the fashion at which the patriots were instructed to play by their coach. He just could not see this and kept screaming this is what they are paid to do. I guess I was hoping to have a conversation with a knowledgable fan that understands the meaning of winning with class, but I guess I was wrong.

I just became on of the biggest colt supporters for next week. and who ever else plays their sorry asses the rest of the year. I hope he tries this shit with someone that has no patience or tollerance for that crap.[/quote]

One thing is for sure, the football world will be sharply divided during this game on Sunday. It's so funny how this is drawing contrasting, and depending on which side of the argument you fall on, surprising opinions.

People that rooted against the Colts all their life, just might be pulling for them to put a little egg on Belichick's face this coming Sunday.

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[QUOTE=offiss;370949]I have a question for you, how appalled where you 2 seasons ago when we had the cowboys dead and buried in the 4th quarter and they were trying to move the ball for a consolation TD and Williams kept sending multiple blitzes at Bledsoe? I remember Bledsoe taking a beating of beatings that last drive did you have a problem with that? Because if I remember correctly most here thought it was great? I didn't have a problem with it at the time but then again I'm not a hypocrite. So is G. Williams a classless individual as well? I would love your expert opinion![/QUOTE]

Totally different situation.

Yes, the Cowboys were down but a huge deficit, but Parcells kept on pushing into the final seconds of the game, keeping his starters in. Most teams, down that much and in the final couple of minutes would have sent in the backups to throw it around. Parcells kept all his starterss in and kept driving for meaningless points in the last minute of the game, so yeah, I don't blame Williams one bit for sending blitzes in that situation.

I wouldn't blame Belichick one bit for blitzing us when we were pushing for meaningless points late in the game either. Frankly I'm not sure why CP, Moss, and our precious few offensive linemen that we have left were still in the game at that point. Seems like a needless risk by Gibbs and Co. to me.

So in that situation, yeah, Belichick can blitz all he wants and I've got no problem. Turning around and piliing it on with the offensive play calling is a different issue - he sets the tone with that, not us.

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[quote=Mattyk72;370956]C'mon dude we didn't run up the score in that one. It was 35-7 but it could have been much, much worse. We weren't blitzing much either, Daniels was just beating his man one on one. There's just no comparing that game to this one.[/quote]


Exactly. That game was 28 -7 at halftime. We could have run it up a lot more in the second half. In addition, when somebody in the PA booth started playing that Willie Nelson song, Gibbs was irate and signalled them to shut it off. Likewise, in Super Bowl 22 we could have probably scored 60 points if we wanted to. It's foolish and unnecessary.

The sickening part is that it is unlikely that anybody will have a chance to return the favor so long as Brady is their QB and I think it's extremely unlikely that Belichek will be around for the fallout once he retires. What I can't understand is the motivation behind it all. Belichek and the Patriots got caught violating NFL rules. Somehow in this man's crippled psychology he has turned that into a justification for trying to humiliate other teams - teams that had nothing whatsoever to do with the exposure of his shenanigans. I could understand paying Mangini back, but I think to do it to a respected coach from the other conference is a bit much.

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[QUOTE=offiss;370959]Wow, I guess Irish has his nerve for actually having his own opinion, a little out of line with that don't you think?[/QUOTE]

Did Redskins say Irish couldn't have his own opinion? He just expressed his opinion about Irish's opinion, didn't say he couldn't have one.

For crying out loud, let's leave the straw man arguments in the barn where they belong.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;370967]One thing is for sure, the football world will be sharply divided during this game on Sunday. It's so funny how this is drawing contrasting, and depending on which side of the argument you fall on, surprising opinions.

People that rooted against the Colts all their life, just might be pulling for them to put a little egg on Belichick's face this coming Sunday.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely right, and regardless of your position on all of this, I think we can all agree that this coming weekend is going to be one hell of a game to watch, especially given how divided and passionate the fans are on both sides.