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[quote=Skinny Tee;599765][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/29/eagles-say-goodbye-to-jeff-garcia/]Eagles say goodbye to Jeff Garcia | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

Do you guys envision a senario in which Garcia comes to DC if there is a shakeup at QB this season?[/quote]

Would not entirely surprise me, since we're only carrying 2 QBs. If Campbell were to go down, I'm sure they'd consider it. He is a West Coast guy, after all.

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[quote=dgack;599626]What? Yes you did, it's sitting right there in the quote box!

You said:





So you are saying it's not fair to give Jason credit for wins last season because the team has a losing record this year. But you also said in the previous post that you do hold him responsible for the team being 8-8 instead of 10-6.[/quote]

I never said that he was responsible for being 8-8 last year. Freaking read my posts. Dammit

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He could have won 2 games THIS season easily if he made as few as a couple of plays. He's the freaking leader of this team, so take responsibility for it.

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[quote=44Deezel;599850]They also didn't play the Rams and Lions. I'm totally gay for Brady, so don't expect me to be reasonable.[/quote]

But they did play the Bills and a rookie QB in NY. I feel the same way about P. Manning though. If we had him at QB we'd be 6-0 because he's so dominant teams feel like they were beaten twice and start craving Double Stuffed Oreo's immediately following their beatdown.

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The Patriots are Tom Brady's team, so if the team sucks then guess what - Tom Brady is sucking this season too. Because he is the leader of that team. New Orleans is kicking ass this season and guess what - Brees is also kicking ass this season.

It all starts with the quarterback. Everyone else can make it as complicated as taxes and rocket science, but it's simple. Foremost, on-the-field performance: the responsibility belongs to the quarterback.

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... and that's why USUALLY when a receiver runs the wrong route or drops the ball - the quarterback is the first to get upset because no matter what, fair or unfair, the performance of the offense as a whole is put on the responsibility of the quarterback.

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I think we have the most fans that hate their team/players in the entire NFL.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;599891]I think we have the most fans that hate their team/players in the entire NFL.[/quote]

I thought it was funny in the indy arizona game that arizona fans were booing the defending NFC Champions.

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[quote=warriorzpath;599871]The Patriots are Tom Brady's team, so if the team sucks then guess what - Tom Brady is sucking this season too. Because he is the leader of that team. New Orleans is kicking ass this season and guess what - Brees is also kicking ass this season.

It all starts with the quarterback. Everyone else can make it as complicated as taxes and rocket science, but it's simple. Foremost, on-the-field performance: the responsibility belongs to the quarterback.[/quote]

I have to agree with you on the Brees point...and what kills me was that he was available for Dannyboy to make a move for him way back when. I was one of the ppl who was screaming for the skins to go after him.

I don't get how danny boy spends so much money on other positions and hasn't really thrown much at the QB position except maybe Brad Johnson (i don't count Jeff George or Mark Brunell cuz they were in the twilight of their careers)

I think coming into this debate, i was close to neutral on JC and leaning towards letting him finish out the season as the starter and see what he can do...During the course of the debate and seeing how rabidly ppl are defending him & attackign him (with stats, intangibles, empirical data) one thing seems very apparent to me. That is, that JC seems to be a very polarizing figure. That's a pretty telling thing to me. It tells me that a house divided against itself can never stand. It tells me that, though they may not say it publicly, I'm sure plenty of ppl in the organization and the locker room are having this same debate (perhaps in their heads). To me, that's a nightmare and the worst thing to happen to a team. If they can't trust their leader on the field, then the leader needs to end that debate immediately or go.

I really want JC to do well and prove me wrong, but unfortunately I'm thinking he isnt going to end this debate by the bye week and probably not by the end of the season. I'm thinking at the end of the season it might be time for us to find ourselves a new leader.

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;599318]Some of you guys and gals are morons. You must be watching these games with blinders or drunk. The Red Zone offense and the defense is the problem. Jason Campbell is doing his job. It's not his fault if he is not even getting opportunities to even make plays in the Red Zone. Most of the time Zorn is calling running plays or half back option passes. A few of the passes that Campbell have thrown have been dropped. How do you come to the conclusion that you should put in a 38 year old career backup. Zorn needs to take off the shackles and allow Campbell make plays, call audibles at the line, run hurry-up offense to change the pace. The offense is too simple and predictable.[/quote]
I'm extremely pissed off with the state of the Redskins and went too far calling some of members morons. I apologize. I'm just tired of all the overreacting and asking for everyone to be fired, including Snyder. After a couple days of fuming, I've come to the realization, the Redskins are not that good. That's a hard pill to swallow but the evidence in on the field. I watch a replay of the game and Detroit beat the Skins in every phase of the game. This week will be a true test. Are the Redskins the worst team in football? As bad as the Redskins have played, the Bucs are worse. I think...

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[quote=warriorzpath;599871]The Patriots are Tom Brady's team, so if the team sucks then guess what - Tom Brady is sucking this season too. Because he is the leader of that team. New Orleans is kicking ass this season and guess what - Brees is also kicking ass this season.

It all starts with the quarterback. Everyone else can make it as complicated as taxes and rocket science, but it's simple. Foremost, on-the-field performance: the responsibility belongs to the quarterback.[/quote]

I'm getting tired of making the same points, but the main reason the Patriots don't look like the dominant team of previous seasons is because their defense is not nearly what it used to be. And Brees kicked ass in 2007, but the Saint went 7-9.

If the quarterback is the only player that matters, why are there 52 other guys on the roster? If it was as simple as picking the perfect quarterback, you wouldn't have head coaches putting in 90 hour weeks, or month long training camps to whip 90ish guys into shape to fill out 53 spots. Your oversimplification of the game of football is ridiculous to say the least.

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[quote=Rajmahal33;599893]I have to agree with you on the Brees point...and what kills me was that he was available for Dannyboy to make a move for him way back when. I was one of the ppl who was screaming for the skins to go after him.

I don't get how danny boy spends so much money on other positions and hasn't really thrown much at the QB position except maybe Brad Johnson (i don't count Jeff George or Mark Brunell cuz they were in the twilight of their careers)

I think coming into this debate, i was close to neutral on JC and leaning towards letting him finish out the season as the starter and see what he can do...During the course of the debate and seeing how rabidly ppl are defending him & attackign him (with stats, intangibles, empirical data) one thing seems very apparent to me. That is, that JC seems to be a very polarizing figure. That's a pretty telling thing to me. It tells me that a house divided against itself can never stand. It tells me that, though they may not say it publicly, I'm sure plenty of ppl in the organization and the locker room are having this same debate (perhaps in their heads). To me, that's a nightmare and the worst thing to happen to a team. [B]If they can't trust their leader on the field, then the leader needs to end that debate immediately[/B] or go.

[B]I really want JC to do well and prove me wrong[/B], but unfortunately I'm thinking he isnt going to end this debate by the bye week and probably not by the end of the season. I'm thinking at the end of the season it might be time for us to find ourselves a new leader.[/quote]


You know I was with you with just observing and seeing how he played, too. It's good to know that someone else is thinking along the same lines as me as far as seeing how this team needs to be led by the quarterback. I just want Campbell to just lead this team and take it to where he wants to go. This team is just crying for a leader - especially now.

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[quote=Southpaw;599904]I'm getting tired of making the same points, but the main reason the Patriots don't look like the dominant team of previous seasons is because their defense is not nearly what it used to be. And Brees kicked ass in 2007, but the Saint went 7-9.

If the quarterback is the only player that matters, why are there 52 other guys on the roster? If it was as simple as picking the perfect quarterback, you wouldn't have head coaches putting in 90 hour weeks, or month long training camps to whip 90ish guys into shape to fill out 53 spots. Your oversimplification of the game of football is ridiculous to say the least.[/quote]

Who is the Saints defensive coordinator?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;599892]I thought it was funny in the indy arizona game that arizona fans were booing the defending NFC Champions.[/quote]

I would take a lost to Indy before a lost to Detroit though. All these people on here going off on JC. People were asking for Cutler. But let me make this point. Denver had one of the most explosive offenses last year. Did they make the playoffs? What was their record. You can have all the offense in the world. But if your not stopping anyone on defense it doesn't matter. Only exception to the rule was the Rams when the were "the greatest show on turf". Peyton didn't win until he had a decent defense. When his defense was ineffective didn't they drop off last year? Brady had a decent defense. Big Ben has a good defense. Just think about it for a second. Even if JC plays lights out. If our defense isn't producing we will still come up short. Our defense needs to improve and our offense. But I am simply tired of the JC bashing. Get over it.

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[quote=Southpaw;599904]I'm getting tired of making the same points, but the main reason the Patriots don't look like the dominant team of previous seasons is because their defense is not nearly what it used to be. And Brees kicked ass in 2007, but the Saint went 7-9.

If the quarterback is the only player that matters, why are there 52 other guys on the roster? If it was as simple as picking the perfect quarterback, you wouldn't have head coaches putting in 90 hour weeks, or month long training camps to whip 90ish guys into shape to fill out 53 spots. Your oversimplification of the game of football is ridiculous to say the least.[/quote]

Quarterback is not the only position that matters, but it's the most important. And traditionally the assumed leader of the team. It is especially important with a team like the redskins; a team that has no other leader in sight.

Even if Brady and Brees plays well, if their team consistently doesn't do well then it reflects on the quarterback (fair or unfair). Brees was the leader of New Orleans in 2007 when they went 7-9, so Brees didn't do so well in 2007 in my eyes.

Part of the quarterback's job is to not only throw the ball well, but also makes sure that everyone else is doing their job. That's what a leader is supposed to.