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Perry is the media darling, just like Palin was for a long time. Unless we do expereince a total economic collapse before Nov 2012, Obama is going to be reelected if Perry, ROmney, or Bachmann, is made the GOP nominee. THey just don't offer anything different, and scare the crap out of Dems, most indies, and even a lot of Reps. That isn't a recipe for victory. Perry likes to say he craeted a lot of jobs in TX, but they were Walmart type jobs. Oh boy, I can pay off my college loans working for Walmart or buy a new car!!!!!

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[quote=rbanerjee23;824605]Saw that Michele Bachmann is claiming that she would bring back $2.00 gasoline and pointed out that gas was $1.79 when Obama took office and is close to $4.00 right now.

[URL="http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/18/news/economy/bachmann_gas_prices/index.htm?hpt=hp_t2"]Bachmann: I'll bring back $2 gas - Aug. 18, 2011[/URL]

I don't think she understands how supply and demand works[/quote]


Nope, she understands she is increasingly becoming irrelevant and has to say crazy shit to get media attention. The chic has no depth, no real ideas that sets her apart from the other frontrunners. On top of that the GOP needs only one candidate to appeal to the evangelicals.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;824616]Where did I explicitly say Islam was a race? would you like me to clarify and say that Cain is a religious bigot?[/quote]

[U][B]Yes[/B][/U], I want you to be [U][B]explicit[/B][/U] because otherwise we see a devaluing of the term 'racist'.

I will agree that there are many candidates that are religiously bigoted, but that's different from being racially bigoted. You [U][B]chose[/B][/U] your religion, you [B][U]don't chose[/U][/B] your race. It's utterly abhorrent for people to claim racism when it nothing of the sort, usually a ploy of hysterical liberals.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;824621]Haha, wow didn't know I'd stir up all this trouble -- I'm actually a big supporter of Ron Paul and I think that some of his ideas (not all) are really good. But, you're right if I have a problem against this woman:
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP4hYkfwuTY"]Bachmann: "Not All Cultures Are Equal" - YouTube[/URL]
then I think anyone right of center is a crazy, unelectable neocon.[/quote]MB has said some wacky stuff.....however, what in that video is inaccurate? If you think the culture of Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan under the Taliban, or any other Sharia law country is the same as the US or mainstream Europe than I suggest you visit (or even research in detail) one of those places and see how religious minorities and women are treated.

Re: Meet The Candidates: 2012 GOP Thread
 

[quote=rbanerjee23;824605]Saw that Michele Bachmann is claiming that she would bring back $2.00 gasoline and pointed out that gas was $1.79 when Obama took office and is close to $4.00 right now.

[URL="http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/18/news/economy/bachmann_gas_prices/index.htm?hpt=hp_t2"]Bachmann: I'll bring back $2 gas - Aug. 18, 2011[/URL]

I don't think she understands how supply and demand works[/quote]

I'd like to know who was selling $1.79 gas in 2008.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;824630]Perry is the media darling, just like Palin was for a long time. [B]Unless we do expereince a total economic collapse before Nov 2012[/B],[/quote]You live in the Detroit area, how much worse does it need to get. Obama and the Dems need to hope and pray for a MAJOR economic recovery before Nov 2012 or they're done. Rs could very easily gain control of WH, House, Senate. Elections aren't decided by folks entrenched in their positions (like most of us). They're decided by independents and folks in the center, and Independents are breaking against Obama now, where they were breaking his way in 2008. Most folks don't get down into the "nuts & bolts" of how gov't works. They just know times are tough and Obama is the President.

[quote]Perry likes to say he craeted a lot of jobs in TX, but they were Walmart type jobs. Oh boy, I can pay off my college loans working for Walmart or buy a new car!!!!![/quote][URL="http://www.politicalmathblog.com/?p=1590"]Rick Perry And Texas Job Numbers « Political Math[/URL]

You may want to check your facts on that: "Since the recession started hourly wages in Texas have increased at a 6th fastest pace in the nation."

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Sammy, you really think you guys will control all three branches? I'm falling out of my chair laughing. Seriously. I'd be surprised if Dems didn't cut your Tea Party majority in half, if not outright win back the House back. All we need is 24 seats. Voter turnout during a general will be significantly different next time around. It's over for the Tea Party.

The Senate could be a toss-up, but don't expect any blowouts. Democrats will definitely put Mass. and Wisconsin in play. I think we'll win both of those races. And if you think Rick Perry or Michele Bachmann will be running the country next November, I have a bridge in Anacostia I'd like to sell you.

Re: Meet The Candidates: 2012 GOP Thread
 

[quote=GusFrerotte;824630]Perry is the media darling, just like Palin was for a long time. Unless we do expereince a total economic collapse before Nov 2012, Obama is going to be reelected if Perry, ROmney, or Bachmann, is made the GOP nominee. THey just don't offer anything different, and scare the crap out of Dems, most indies, and even a lot of Reps. That isn't a recipe for victory. Perry likes to say he craeted a lot of jobs in TX, but they were Walmart type jobs. Oh boy, I can pay off my college loans working for Walmart or buy a new car!!!!![/quote]

Obama says he wants to create jobs and spent 800 billion and failed. Walmart jobs are better then no job at all.

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[quote=Mattyk;824747]I'd like to know who was selling $1.79 gas in 2008.[/quote]
[url=http://gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx]Gas Price Historical Price Charts - GasBuddy.com[/url]

Re: Meet The Candidates: 2012 GOP Thread
 

Must have missed that day, I haven't seen gas prices that low in forever around me.

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[quote=12thMan;824756]Sammy, you really think you guys will control all three branches? I'm falling out of my chair laughing. Seriously. I'd be surprised if Dems didn't cut your Tea Party majority in half, if not outright win back the House back. All we need is 24 seats. Voter turnout during a general will be significantly different next time around. It's over for the Tea Party.

The Senate could be a toss-up, but don't expect any blowouts. Democrats will definitely put Mass. and Wisconsin in play. I think we'll win both of those races. And if you think Rick Perry or Michele Bachmann will be running the country next November, I have a bridge in Anacostia I'd like to sell you.[/quote]I'm not putting money on the Senate, but it is well within the realm of likelihood.

[URL="http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/ljs2011062301/"]Larry J. Sabato's Crystal Ball » DEMOCRATS BLUE AS SENATE ACQUIRES A REDDISH TINGE[/URL]

I don't see Rs losing the House

[URL="http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/kdk2011071401/"]Larry J. Sabato's Crystal Ball » Channeling Truman? The Race for the House[/URL]

Voter turnout will not be what it was in 2008. 2008 was a historic election, with a poor economy for the last 4 years (come 2012) many who voted for Hope & Change have seen changes they didn't count on and their hopes dashed under the flailing economy. Rs and those wanting change in the WH will have momentum in Nov. 2012 (barring a major economic recovery).

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;824749]Elections aren't decided by folks entrenched in their positions (like most of us). They're decided by independents and folks in the center, and Independents are breaking against Obama now, where they were breaking his way in 2008. Most folks don't get down into the "nuts & bolts" of how gov't works. They just know times are tough and Obama is the President.[/quote]

Independents aren't mindless drones. They don't just vote for somebody else every other election when times are tough.

This Republican field polls horribly amongst independents.

Re: Meet The Candidates: 2012 GOP Thread
 

[quote=12thMan;824756]Sammy, you really think you guys will control all three branches? I'm falling out of my chair laughing. Seriously. I'd be surprised if Dems didn't cut your Tea Party majority in half, if not outright win back the House back. All we need is 24 seats. Voter turnout during a general will be significantly different next time around. It's over for the Tea Party.

The Senate could be a toss-up, but don't expect any blowouts. Democrats will definitely put Mass[B]. and Wisconsin in play[/B]. I think we'll win both of those races. And if you think Rick Perry or Michele Bachmann will be running the country next November, I have a bridge in Anacostia I'd like to sell you.[/quote]

With all the attention that the dems have put into the recalls and the man power that could not win any more the 2 of the 6 recalls. That's when all the dems gathered to win those 6 seats and had ton's of help from other states and unions.

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[quote=wilsowilso;824781]Independents aren't mindless drones. They don't just vote for somebody else every other election when times are tough.

This Republican field polls horribly amongst independents.[/quote]

Really? What your forgetting is Obama is doing worse and is loosing their support.

[URL="http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/07/29/independents-souring-on-president-obama-poll-shows/"]Independents Souring on President Obama, Poll Shows - Washington Wire - WSJ[/URL]

[url=http://www.hapblog.com/2011/07/poll-obama-loses-ground-among.html]HotAirPundit: Poll: Obama Loses Ground Among Independents[/url]

Re: Meet The Candidates: 2012 GOP Thread
 

[quote=firstdown;824783]With all the attention that the dems have put into the recalls and the man power that could not win any more the 2 of the 6 recalls. That's when all the dems gathered to win those 6 seats and had ton's of help from other states and unions.[/quote]

So the Dems win two seats in a solid -- I mean solid-- red districts and you don't think that's a big deal? That's two more they wouldn't have had, because Scott Walker believed his own hype. Now he's toast and so is the governor of Ohio. Gone.