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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1094645][url=http://mmqb.si.com/2014/11/18/robert-griffin-iii-jay-gruden-washington-problems/]Jay Gruden's comments about Robert Griffin III portend deeper problems | The MMQB with Peter King[/url][/QUOTE]


Pretty clear cut. This gets back to what my biggest fear has been since 2012. That Griff doesnt have the talent inside him to be the type of qb you need to be in this league to win consistently. Not all great guitar players can learn how to play a violin. Not all great bakers can cook a perfect steak. Not all great painters can sculpt a perfect statue. They can probably do these things better than the average guy but for what we paid, and for what we need that is not good enough. We need him to be great. If we had a killer d, and a killer oline than maybe we could accept average. We do not and we can not.

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[quote=punch it in;1094639]Im not saying they should have given him a five year contract. Far from it. Of course Gruden has to make his bones.
However to expect him to make a 3-13 team into something we can all be proud of in ten weeks with one draft where we didnt even have a first round pick with THREE different qb's starting in such a short time and the most horrible DC in the league(that he had nothing to do with is ludicrous!
Edit: I agree with Matty that he has not shown enough even under these circumstances but the circumstances outweigh his lack of show imo.[/quote]

What you say makes sense and I'm trying to not pick on Jay Gruden who was handed a huge task and who does need at least two years before he can be fairly evaluated.

My problem is that I don't have any confidence in the entire cast of characters from Tampa Bay who are now running this club - none of them, from Bruce Allen on down. For goodness sakes, they even hired Doug Williams for some inexplicable reason. If Snyder was going to hire a bunch of people from one organization, then he should have at least picked a good organization.

Unless the Skins show significant improvement by the end of next year, I would like to see the entire Tampa Bay fraternity gone. And if the rest of them go, then poor Jay may have to go with his fraternity brothers, whether that's fair or not.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1094655]What you say makes sense and I'm trying to not pick on Jay Gruden who was handed a huge task and who does need at least two years before he can be fairly evaluated.



My problem is that I don't have any confidence in the entire cast of characters from Tampa Bay who are now running this club - none of them, from Bruce Allen on down. For goodness sakes, they even hired Doug Williams for some inexplicable reason. If Snyder was going to hire a bunch of people from one organization, then he should have at least picked a good organization.



Unless the Skins show significant improvement by the end of next year, I would like to see the entire Tampa Bay fraternity gone. And if the rest of them go, then poor Jay may have to go with his fraternity brothers, whether that's fair or not.[/QUOTE]


Agree 1000%. Allen sucks. Probably should have mentioned him as yet another problem a first year HC has to deal with.

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[quote=punch it in;1094648]Pretty clear cut. This gets back to what my biggest fear has been since 2012. That Griff doesnt have the talent inside him to be the type of qb you need to be in this league to win consistently. Not all great guitar players can learn how to play a violin. Not all great bakers can cook a perfect steak. Not all great painters can sculpt a perfect statue. They can probably do these things better than the average guy but for what we paid, and for what we need that is not good enough. We need him to be great. If we had a killer d, and a killer oline than maybe we could accept average. We do not and we can not.[/quote]

The problem with your analogy is that RGIII has all of the skills to "learn the violin," so the problem is not talent.

What holds back RGIII is in his head.

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[QUOTE=Kope;1094569]All I could think of was Eddie Murphy in Trading Places...[/QUOTE]


Lmao. Exactly.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1094655]What you say makes sense and I'm trying to not pick on Jay Gruden who was handed a huge task and who does need at least two years before he can be fairly evaluated.

My problem is that I don't have any confidence in the entire cast of characters from Tampa Bay who are now running this club - none of them, from Bruce Allen on down. For goodness sakes, they even hired Doug Williams for some inexplicable reason. If Snyder was going to hire a bunch of people from one organization, then he should have at least picked a good organization.

Unless the Skins show significant improvement by the end of next year, I would like to see the entire Tampa Bay fraternity gone. And if the rest of them go, then poor Jay may have to go with his fraternity brothers, whether that's fair or not.[/quote]

FWIW a while back ago the Chiefs hired a people from the Pats and that didn't work out well.

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[QUOTE=Lotus;1094660]The problem with your analogy is that RGIII has all of the skills to "learn the violin," so the problem is not talent.



What holds back RGIII is in his head.[/QUOTE]


A great guitar player has talent. - talent to be just that - a great guitar player. Doesnt mean he can take that talent and apply it to a violin.
Griff is a great spread offense/ read option type qb. Doesnt mean he can apply that to a pro style offense. If he could dont you think we would be seeing an inkling of that?
He can tell him self that he can do it all he wants. I need to see it to believe it.

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[quote=Lotus;1094660]The problem with your analogy is that RGIII has all of the skills to "learn the violin," so the problem is not talent.

What holds back RGIII is in his head.[/quote]

He may have the skills to learn it, but can he do it at a concert or in front of a live crowd? That's the issue. He may look ok at practice when he knows he's not going to get hit. But game time, he can't process everything at game speed. The NFL passing game seems to fast for him.

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[quote=Mattyk;1094635]I'm not saying fire him, just that so far he's not doing a good job. And fair or not if he doesn't start winning some games he's going to be on the hot seat sooner rather than later.

The honeymoon is over, we need to start seeing some signs that he can get things on the right track. So far he's shown to have little command over the locker room and the team is seriously underperforming across the board.[/quote]

I really believe that there isnt any coach out there that can win in in this dysfunctional organization.

It blows my mind that anyone could think the honeymoon is over because its barely even started. Its not like Gruden took over NE or Balt that are solid organizations that consistently win. He took over one of the worst team in the NFL that has been terrible for 20 years. It will be a miracle if he could get it turned around in 5 years.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1094668]He may have the skills to learn it, but can he do it at a concert or in front of a live crowd? That's the issue. He may look ok at practice when he knows he's not going to get hit. But game time, he can't process everything at game speed. The NFL passing game seems to fast for him.[/quote]

Fair enough. We agree that the problem is mental, not talent.

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[QUOTE=Lotus;1094675]Fair enough. We agree that the problem is mental, not talent.[/QUOTE]


This is getting off topic now and we are splitting hairs. It doesnt really matter why he doesnt get it just that he doesnt get it. However, if it is a mental thing and not talent than would it be fair to say that you could take any 6-2, 220 lb twenty something who runs fast and can throw a football and put them in the NFL? I mean how do you define talent? Isnt the ability to master any craft a talent? I think you are confusing athleticism and talent.
Edit: Skinsfan didnt say talent he said skills. It takes "talent" to apply the physical skill set to a craft and have it translate into success.

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[quote=punch it in;1094677]This is getting off topic now and we are splitting hairs. It doesnt really matter why he doesnt get it just that he doesnt get it. However, if it is a mental thing and not talent than would it be fair to say that you could take any 6-2, 220 lb twenty something who runs fast and can throw a football and put them in the NFL? I mean how do you define talent? Isnt the ability to master any craft a talent? I think you are confusing athleticism and talent.[/quote]

I agree. I think RG3 has both athleticism and talent but the athleticism and talent he has does not seem to match up with what a top NFL QB needs to succeed.

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[QUOTE=irish;1094678]I agree. I think RG3 has both athleticism and talent but the athleticism and talent he has does not seem to match up with what a top NFL QB needs to succeed.[/QUOTE]


His "talent" is as a spread offense running qb, he does not have the "talent" imo to be a top flite NFL qb today. What it boils down to is can he learn that talent? Also how long would it take. I would love to play guitar to a stadium full of people, and i certainly have the physical attributes to play a damn guitar. But i might not ever acquire the talent and if i do i might be 90 feckin years old by the time im ready to play for a crowd. I hope if that happens you will all come out to support me.