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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1257904]Vikings beat reporter, forget who

Vikings will practice today at 2 PM but I’m told Riley Reiff isn’t expected to be there. He was in the building earlier this morning and it sounds like the Vikings have given him a deadline of tomorrow to decide whether he’ll take a restructured deal or be released.



This is a dude who I would get. Kick Charles inside at left guard[/QUOTE]


Agreed. RR is talented.


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[quote=EdmundDorf;1257905]Sounds like Cornelius Lucas has been a major disappointment, so they may just swap him out assuming they want to pay Reiffs salary[/quote]

I was on the early "Cornelius Lucas 2020 = Ereck Flowers 2019" train .. but yeah, not hearing much about Lucas lately. Sounds like Geron would be the starter LT if we played today.

Reiff is 31 and should immediately quiet concerns about LT. I imagine the Eagles would be the first team calling, wouldnt be surprised if the dont offer something like a conditional 5th for Reiff.

I think our O line is our weakest unit and may severely handicap play calling and Haskins development.

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Didn't think of the eagles, they tend to be agressive when trading picks so they would be the most obvious destination,

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According to @PFF_Vikings Riley stacks up like this:

Among 89 OTs Riley Reiff ranks

54th in sacks allowed with 5
39th in pressures allowed with 25
33rd in pass block grade with 73.2

So a guy that grades in the bottom of the top 1/3 essentially is going to be a huge upgrade for us, given what we currently have to deal with, even if he’s not close to being on level with the likes of what we used to have with Silverback.

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Maybe it's just me but I totally disagree with the decision not to play any preseason games this year. Expecting them to step up on the field in week 1 and be fully up to speed is asinine. A trial game for staff to adjust would be helpful too.

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[quote=mooby;1257920]Maybe it's just me but I totally disagree with the decision not to play any preseason games this year. Expecting them to step up on the field in week 1 and be fully up to speed is asinine. A trial game for staff to adjust would be helpful too.[/quote]

Referees too, they need all the practice they can get

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[quote=over the mountain;1257907]I was on the early "Cornelius Lucas 2020 = Ereck Flowers 2019" train .. but yeah, not hearing much about Lucas lately. Sounds like Geron would be the starter LT if we played today.

Reiff is 31 and should immediately quiet concerns about LT. I imagine the Eagles would be the first team calling, wouldnt be surprised if the dont offer something like a conditional 5th for Reiff.

[B]I think our O line is our weakest unit and may severely handicap play calling and Haskins development.[/B][/quote]

While I agree with the Oline being our weakest point on team, based on what I have been reading about what players are saying about Scott Turner and his offense, it seems as if Turner is being creative and include a lot of pre-snap movements to allow the offense identify what kind of base the defense is in. This can help the Oline to react better, 1 or 2 seconds can make a difference. Nonetheless, Oline is still a significant concern.

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[quote=GridIron26;1257927]While I agree with the Oline being our weakest point on team, based on what I have been reading about what players are saying about Scott Turner and his offense, it seems as if Turner is being creative and include [B]a lot of pre-snap movements to allow the offense identify what kind of base the defense is in[/B]. This can help the Oline to react better, 1 or 2 seconds can make a difference. Nonetheless, Oline is still a significant concern.[/quote]

Big fan of pre-snap movement. But it requires the play call to be sent in early and the Qb and O line to be well versed and on the same page. Id guess well see some growing pains with a second year QB, a few new faces to LT and LG and a new playbook/terminology/coaches.

After the past few seasons of watching injuries decimate our O line and then in turn decimate our play calling and execution .. I think I have some form of O line ptsd.

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[quote=GridIron26;1257927]While I agree with the Oline being our weakest point on team, based on what I have been reading about what players are saying about Scott Turner and his offense, it seems as if Turner is being creative and include a lot of pre-snap movements to allow the offense identify what kind of base the defense is in. This can help the Oline to react better, 1 or 2 seconds can make a difference. Nonetheless, Oline is still a significant concern.[/quote]It is a concern. However, I think you're going to see mainly quickly developing plays. Get the ball in Gibson, McKissic, Love, Sims, and McLaurin hands and let them go. All are money in open space. Pound the rock with Peterson also. This will be the primary recipe.

I would be surprised if the offense isn't better than last year. Not great but serviceable. I think people will be surprised somewhat. Worst thing about not having a great oline is not being able to use more deep, slow developing plays so Haskins can flash his cannon.

I think many are underestimating Haskins development/talent/hard work from last year and some of the guys we brought in. Gibson, McKissic, Thomas and Love can make this offense better. NFL is about making plays and that's what these guys do.

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Feels like nearly every year we fret about the OL in the preseason and things mostly turn out fine with that unit. Probably more than any other spot on the field you can mask weakness with smart schemes and coaching.

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[quote=MTK;1257936]Feels like nearly every year we fret about the OL in the preseason and things mostly turn out fine with that unit. Probably more than any other spot on the field you can mask weakness with smart schemes and coaching.[/quote]

Last year wasnt that bad as Penn and Flowers stayed healthy and played maybe at a C level. But I dont think we could be competitive with that left side. That was probably the worst LT-LG starting combo week 1 imo. But all we asked is that they stay healthy and they did that.

2018 though ... Zac Kerin and Luke Bowanko made starts for us. Zac Kerin and Luke Bowanko.

The shock of 2018 has not worn off on me.

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[quote=mooby;1257920]Maybe it's just me but I totally disagree with the decision not to play any preseason games this year. Expecting them to step up on the field in week 1 and be fully up to speed is asinine. A trial game for staff to adjust would be helpful too.[/quote]

I'm right there with you. I wanted AT LEAST one preseason game or some sort of scrimmage with a team prior to Week 1.

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I imagine the soft tissue injuries will be higher than usual.

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[quote=PorkSkins;1257941]I'm right there with you. I wanted AT LEAST one preseason game or some sort of scrimmage with a team prior to Week 1.[/quote]Totally agree. Just crazy that the 1st game is a huge division opener. Nothing to really go by with prior real action. It would be so awesome to beat Philly game 1. Think both teams are going to be hyped.

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[quote=mooby;1257920]Maybe it's just me but I totally disagree with the decision not to play any preseason games this year. Expecting them to step up on the field in week 1 and be fully up to speed is asinine. A trial game for staff to adjust would be helpful too.[/quote]

After six seasons with Jay I would think you would be used to week 1 being a preseason game.