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[quote=skinsfaninok;1261823]They will trade him for a 6th or 7th soon[/quote]

Honestly with the way he's been pouting since, I don't see him lasting the season if Ron likes Allen/Smith enough. He might be shipped by the trade deadline.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1261823]They will trade him for a 6th or 7th soon[/quote]Maybe if a team will pony that up. The WFT isn't the only team noticing his immature, selfish antics.

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In ESPN’s TOTAL QB rating in 2020, Haskins the LEAST valuable QB in the NFL. Last!

For passes over 15 yds, Haskins completion percentage is HALF the NFL average.

Yet, ppl will defend him like he is the next coming of Peyton Manning or Joe Montana. He is ANOTHER draft bust by Dan Snyder.

Hopefully next year when the team drafts a QB, Dan Snyder will be gone as the owner or at the very least not part of the decision- making!


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Stop, nobody is saying he's Manning or Montana.

Tough to really judge a QB on 11 starts that's all.

He hasn't done enough to help himself for sure but he's also been dealt a shit hand.

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[quote=MTK;1261837]Stop, nobody is saying he's Manning or Montana.

Tough to really judge a QB on 11 starts that's all.

[B]He hasn't done enough to help himself for sure but he's also been dealt a shit hand[/B].[/quote]

I don't understand why people won't acknowledge both. Too many people putting all the blame on him, and his defenders putting all of the blame on the team.

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[quote=mooby;1261839]I don't understand why people won't acknowledge both. Too many people putting all the blame on him, and his defenders putting all of the blame on the team.[/quote]Because his fundamentals/accuracy have been poor since he's arrived in the NFL. His footwork is bad and he clearly has issues reading NFL defenses. Rookie, young qbs in the NFL need to at least demonstrate reasonable fundamental soundness. Haskins has not. He also hasn't displayed the greatest attitude at all. Just go back to his reaction when WFT drafted him. He nearly looked despondent. RR is no stupid man, and knows Haskins isn't the guy.

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[quote=The Skinsinator;1261841]Because his fundamentals/accuracy have been poor since he's arrived in the NFL. His footwork is bad and he clearly has issues reading NFL defenses. Rookie, young qbs in the NFL need to at least demonstrate reasonable fundamental soundness. Haskins has not. He also hasn't displayed the greatest attitude at all. Just go back to his reaction when WFT drafted him. He nearly looked despondent. RR is no stupid man, and knows Haskins isn't the guy.[/quote]

All of that may be true but it's also true he was drafted by one of the most poorly run organizations in all of sports under less than ideal conditions and not really given the support that most first round QBs get.

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[quote=MTK;1261845]All of that may be true but it's also true he was drafted by one of the most poorly run organizations in all of sports under less than ideal conditions and not really given the support that most first round QBs get.[/quote]

This. His cheerleader was the owner. It wasn't his first coaching staff, his second coaching staff, or his third coaching staff, in the span of a year no less. Most of that is his own fault for not having the work ethic to be great. But it takes an organization to help a rookie qb grow into an elite one. And having the turnover that we had makes it harder.

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[quote=The Skinsinator;1261841]Because his fundamentals/accuracy have been poor since he's arrived in the NFL. His footwork is bad and he clearly has issues reading NFL defenses. Rookie, young qbs in the NFL need to at least demonstrate reasonable fundamental soundness. Haskins has not. He also hasn't displayed the greatest attitude at all. Just go back to his reaction when WFT drafted him. He nearly looked despondent. RR is no stupid man, and knows Haskins isn't the guy.[/quote]

He's just not very good, it's that simple... Rosen is also bad, cut your losses before it's too late. Kyle Allen can be a good QB2 for this team. Draft a guy next yr and get the team built

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Dwayne Haskins is a grown man and has to take personal responsibility to be ready. It is his responsibility.
I have seen in the past several proactive rookie QB's hire/pay for a personal off season QB coach. Lord knows Dwayne can afford it.
Please do not give the Covid excuse as they can wear masks. A hired personal QB coach could have helped Dwayne work on fundamentals (his terrible footwork) and help Dwayne better learn his new playbook. I don't buy the poor little Dwayne Haskins is a victim of circumstance argument. He is not in jail.
I repeat an observation I made earlier, that Dwayne showed up to his NFL combine job interview out of shape and ran a terrible 40. One of the slowest in NFL history for QB. This is a CLEAR example of his work ethic and not taking personal responsibility in the past.
He is the one that has to do the work. Nobody is going to learn it or do it for him.
You can lead a horse to water..........
People making excuses for him is not going to help him learn and work hard.

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There's a reason why we've started 30 different QB's since 1993. Just saying. Plenty of legit blame to go around with DH on both sides.

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[quote=Defensewins;1261851]Dwayne Haskins is a grown man and has to take personal responsibility to be ready. It is his responsibility.
I have seen in the past several proactive rookie QB's hire/pay for a personal off season QB coach. Lord knows Dwayne can afford it.
Please do not give the Covid excuse as they can wear masks. A hired personal QB coach could have helped Dwayne work on fundamentals (his terrible footwork) and help Dwayne better learn his new playbook. I don't buy the poor little Dwayne Haskins is a victim of circumstance argument. He is not in jail.
I repeat an observation I made earlier, that Dwayne showed up to his NFL combine job interview out of shape and ran a terrible 40. One of the slowest in NFL history for QB. This is a CLEAR example of his work ethic and not taking personal responsibility in the past.
He is the one that has to do the work. Nobody is going to learn it or do it for him.
You can lead a horse to water..........
People making excuses for him is not going to help him learn and work hard.[/quote]

He does have his own personal trainer, it's Quincy Avery who works with Watson, Hurts and others.. But one big thing Quincy preaches is "Toe to target is not good to use anymore" And it shows with Dwayne's tape, he's hardly ever pointing towards his targets.. Watson and Hurts can get away with that "Mahomes" like method because they are great athletes..

good QB developer but he didn’t create the rule book. Dudes been doing toe to target since before any of us were born... with high success rate
pull up any Montana clips

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[quote=MTK;1261853]There's a reason why we've started 30 different QB's since 1993. Just saying. Plenty of legit blame to go around with DH on both sides.[/quote]

This is true.


I'd like to see a Redskins version of this one, starting after Rypien.

Hey, that's Heath Shuler.

Rypien until 1993...

1994 Heath Shuler (8) / John Friesz (4) / Gus Frerotte (4)
1995 Gus Frerotte (11) / Heath Shuler (5)
1996 Gus Frerotte (16)
1997 Gus Frerotte (13) / Jeff Hostetler (3)
1998 Trent Green (14) / Gus Frerotte (2)
1999 Brad Johnson (16)
2000 Brad Johnson (11) / Jeff George (5)
2001 Tony Banks (14) / Jeff George (2)
2002 Shane Matthews (7) / Patrick Ramsey (5) / Danny Wuerffel (4)
2003 Patrick Ramsey (11) / Tim Hasselbeck (5)
2004 Mark Brunell (9) / Patrick Ramsey (7)
2005 Mark Brunell (15) / Patrick Ramsey (1)
2006 Mark Brunell (9) / Jason Campbell (7)
2007 Jason Campbell (13) / Todd Collins (3)
2008 Jason Campbell (16)
2009 Jason Campbell (16)
2010 Donovan McNabb (13) / Rex Grossman (3)
2011 Rex Grossman (13) / John Beck (3)
2012 Robert Griffin III (15) / Kirk Cousins (1)
2013 Robert Griffin III (13) / Kirk Cousins (3)
2014 Robert Griffin III (7) / Kirk Cousins (5) / Colt McCoy (4)
2015 Kirk Cousins (16)
2016 Kirk Cousins (16)
2017 Kirk Cousins (16)
2018 Alex Smith (10) / Josh Johnson (3) / Colt McCoy (2) / Mark Sanchez (1)
2019 Case Keenum (8) / Dwayne Haskins (7) / Colt McCoy (1)
2020 Dwayne Haskins (4) / Kyle Allen

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Looking at that, it's a real shame Colt McCoy only started 7 games...while Patrick Ramsey had 24 starts!