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[quote=Beemnseven;479642]Don't you find it a bit curious that whoever the democratic nominee turns out to be, that he or she is always "[I]the most liberal[/I]" candidate as rated by some institute or think tank? How is it that this particular label always coincides with the presidential election and conveniently changes no matter who it is? If Hillary had won, don't you think everyone on the Republican side would say the very same about her?[/quote]
Well when they were fighting for the Dem. nomination they said Obama had a more liberal voting recored then Hillary. So I guess if hillary won then I guess they would have had to say one of the most liberal voters in congress. Its a no different then the left trying to make McCain look like a conservative.

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I have a question about Obama that maybe some Obama fan could answer. It seemed back around a month ago Obama said he would not raise taxes on anyone making under $125,000 but how is saying that he will not raise taxes for anyone making under $250,000. Did something change or did he never claim that he would not raise taxes on people making under $125,000?

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[quote=firstdown;480157]I have a question about Obama that maybe some Obama fan could answer. It seemed back around a month ago Obama said he would not raise taxes on anyone making under $125,000 but how is saying that he will not raise taxes for anyone making under $250,000. Did something change or did he never claim that he would not raise taxes on people making under $125,000?[/quote]

Obama has always said the cut off line is 250K. He has never said he would raise taxes on people making 125K and above.

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[quote=saden1;480162]Obama has always said the cut off line is 250K. He has never said he would raise taxes on people making 125K and above.[/quote]
Ok, I just don't know where that $125,000 number in my head came from and I thought I heard Obama sometime back using that figure.

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[quote=Beemnseven;479649]I understand the distinction you're trying to make, but couldn't it be said that the Bush family ranks right up there with the very group you have such a problem with? How about McCain? His father and grandfather were both Navy [U]Admirals[/U]. He married into wealth, and has spent nearly 30 years in Washington. You don't think he perceives himself of a higher social status than the rest of us peons?

I'm not a fan of Obama, but doesn't he strike you as just the opposite of the "elitists" -- coming from relative obscurity in a middle class family, and only recently achieving any sort of status by being elected to the Senate? What about Bill Clinton? Come on -- he came from the lower class backwoods in Arkansas for crying out loud. Would you classify either of these people as "elitists" ??

The last republicans who came from similar roots would be Reagan and Nixon. But since then, they've been charter members of the "country club elite".[/quote]
They're all elitists, Obama included. They all have an air of entitlement.

The difference is in the way each group markets its policies; the Dems generally favor government solutions and programs to solve problems (Govt should take more of our money and knows how to handle fix things). Republicans [B]say[/B] they favor smaller government with people responsible and in control of their lives. The Republican message fits hand-in-hand with labeling the Dems elitist. Have the Republicans shrunk government in the last 8 years.....we all know the answer is no.

I would like to see Term Limits in place for the Senate and Congress, maybe a regular turn-over would force some positive changes (yes, I'm know, I'm a cautous optimist).

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;480190]They're all elitists, Obama included. They all have an air of entitlement.

The difference is in the way each group markets its policies; the Dems generally favor government solutions and programs to solve problems (Govt should take more of our money and knows how to handle fix things). Republicans [B]say[/B] they favor smaller government with people responsible and in control of their lives. The Republican message fits hand-in-hand with labeling the Dems elitist. Have the Republicans shrunk government in the last 8 years.....we all know the answer is no.

I would like to see Term Limits in place for the Senate and Congress, maybe a regular turn-over would force some positive changes (yes, I'm know, I'm a cautous optimist).[/quote]
We really have term limits as we can vote them out of office at anytime. The problem as I see it is its become a career for too many and they have way to many perks. Maybe term limits of maybe two terms max and a set benefits package which increases if they serve two terms.

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This woman keeps me entertained.

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So what's up with McCain wanting to cancel the debates?

[url=http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/09/24/mccains-call-to-cancel-debate-met-with-resistance/?mod=googlenews_wsj]Washington Wire - WSJ.com : McCain's Call to Cancel Debate Met with Resistance[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk72;480810]So what's up with McCain wanting to cancel the debates?

[url=http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/09/24/mccains-call-to-cancel-debate-met-with-resistance/?mod=googlenews_wsj]Washington Wire - WSJ.com : McCain's Call to Cancel Debate Met with Resistance[/url][/quote]

He's dropped to 9 points down in the polls after being up by as much as 4 a week or so ago, depending on the poll. Obama has hit 52 percent. This economic crisis is killing McCain with the voters. This is a hail mary move.

Of course it's only a matter of time before certain posters point out that the maverick is only selflessly thinking about what's best for the country, while Barack Hussein Obama the undercover Muslim who hates America only cares about winning.

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this woman is so uneducated on the issues, how the hell is she going to debate next Thursday? it seems like any time McCain flip flops on any of his positions, the word maverick magically appears. this republican ticket is turning into a joke

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[quote=djnemo65;480813]He's dropped to 9 points down in the polls after being up by as much as 4 a week or so ago, depending on the poll. Obama has hit 52 percent. This economic crisis is killing McCain with the voters. This is a hail mary move.

Of course it's only a matter of time before certain posters point out that the maverick is only selflessly thinking about what's best for the country, while Barack Hussein Obama the undercover Muslim who hates America only cares about winning.[/quote]

It does seem like a desperate move to me. I think he just knows that he and Palin are going to get buried in the debates.

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[quote=dmek25;480814]this woman is so uneducated on the issues, how the hell is she going to debate next Thursday? it seems like any time McCain flip flops on any of his positions, the word maverick magically appears. this republican ticket is turning into a joke[/quote]

You could get a good drinking game going with all the times she mentions 'Maverick'. Or maybe she just loves Top Gun.

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[quote=dmek25;480814][B]this woman is so uneducated on the issues, how the hell is she going to debate next Thursday?[/B] it seems like any time McCain flip flops on any of his positions, the word maverick magically appears. this republican ticket is turning into a joke[/quote]

While I am still undecided, I lean towards McCain. That said, I have to agree with you here. I can't justify voting for this ticket unless she raises her awareness on just about everything (aside from morality issues, where she seems to have all of her knowledge invested). 8 yrs has been enough of a president who looks unsure every time he opens his mouth. This election is really disappointing me. I disagree with Obama on most issues, but McCain is nowhere near the force he was 10 yrs ago.

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John McCain is putting Country First! Obama and the Dems only care about power! J/K.

Seriously though, McCain knows this economic crisis is killing him. Smart move by him IMO, he's put himself in a position that if the bailout is passed it will appear he had something to do with it and he'll take credit, hopefully reversing the poor poll numbers. If the bill doesn't pass, he can be in Washington stumping about the Democratic controlled Congress killing the U.S. economy with partisan bickering.

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[quote=djnemo65;480813]He's dropped to 9 points down in the polls after being up by as much as 4 a week or so ago, depending on the poll. Obama has hit 52 percent. This economic crisis is killing McCain with the voters. This is a hail mary move.

Of course it's only a matter of time before certain posters point out that the maverick is only selflessly thinking about what's best for the country, while Barack Hussein Obama the undercover Muslim who hates America only cares about winning.[/quote]
What poll are you looking at?

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It's a gimmick one intended to change the media narrative and possibly give Palin more time to prepare or to skip the VP debate all together. We'll just have to see if it works in his favor.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;480825]While I am still undecided, I lean towards McCain. That said, I have to agree with you here. I can't justify voting for this ticket unless she raises her awareness on just about everything (aside from morality issues, where she seems to have all of her knowledge invested). 8 yrs has been enough of a president who looks unsure every time he opens his mouth. This election is really disappointing me. I disagree with Obama on most issues, but McCain is nowhere near the force he was 10 yrs ago.[/quote]

The idea of Palin as VP should scare the crap out of any rational human being. Horrible VP choice and I think it will be one of the main factors that costs McCain the election.

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[quote=firstdown;480836]What poll are you looking at?[/quote]

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/23/AR2008092303667.html?hpid=topnews]Economic Fears Give Obama Clear Lead Over McCain in Poll - washingtonpost.com[/url]

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[quote=djnemo65;480844][URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/23/AR2008092303667.html?hpid=topnews"]Economic Fears Give Obama Clear Lead Over McCain in Poll - washingtonpost.com[/URL][/quote]
The only thing that poll was ment to do was to mislead the American people into thinking that Obama is helped by the economic issues right now. If you look at the people polled its like 54% dems to like 30% rep. The Washington Post is the most bias news around and is not a very good source.

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[quote=firstdown;480871]The only thing that poll was ment to do was to mislead the American people into thinking that Obama is helped by the economic issues right now. If you look at the people polled its like 54% dems to like 30% rep. The Washington Post is the most bias news around and is not a very good source.[/quote]

While I agree polls have to be taken with a grain of salt, every news outlet that isn't favorable towards McCain isn't necessarily unreliable or in the tank for Obama. Also, whether or not the Post is biased and a credible source or not is highly debatable.

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Most polls right now have Obama out in front.

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getting close to a deal. not sure if its the right deal, but i agree something needs done. i definitely don't want Sec. Paulson with a blank check. we all see how well that has been working. and welcome back 12th

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The fun continues:

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My god she really is a joke. She's going to look like a fool in the debates. I actually feel embarrassed for her watching her stumble through some of her answers, which really aren't answers anyway she's just tossing crap out there hoping it sticks.

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Don't turn off the internet now, the fun is just getting started.

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[quote=firstdown;480871]The only thing that poll was ment to do was to mislead the American people into thinking that Obama is helped by the economic issues right now. If you look at the people polled its like 54% dems to like 30% rep. The Washington Post is the most bias news around and is not a very good source.[/quote]

Polling is a science with strict procedures in place for collecting random data. It is not biased. How can you not know this?

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[quote=djnemo65;481050]Polling is a science with strict procedures in place for collecting random data. It is not biased. How can you not know this?[/quote]
I'm guessing your joking?

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[quote=firstdown;481053]I'm guessing your joking?[/quote]

For someone who seems to be really interested in politics, to not know that polling is as unbiased a thing as you will ever see in the news is pretty shocking First.

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[quote=djnemo65;481058]For someone who seems to be really interested in politics, to not know that polling is as unbiased a thing as you will ever see in the news is pretty shocking First.[/quote]
A bit naive to think the Washington Post is completing an unbiased poll. The bottom line in looking at polls is who is doing them & why. Is the source of the poll a service that gets paid for accuracy or a news outlet who gets paid on subscriptions and ad revenue?

I would argue a source such as Zogby who is independent and is a "third-party" that is only interested in the accuracy of their numbers is the best way to go. How reliable their numbers are is how they get paid. A polling service like this is much better than the Washington Post, NY Times, Fox News or WSJ.

[URL="http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1562"]Zogby International[/URL]

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What on earth was Palin talking about in that interview? She was shockingly unprepared to answer those questions. What a terrible terrible choice she is turning out to be.

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[quote=wilsowilso;481082]What on earth was Palin talking about in that interview? She was shockingly unprepared to answer those questions. What a terrible terrible choice she is turning out to be.[/quote]

Remember back in school when someone was just horribly unprepared for a presentation and it was sooooooo uncomfortable to watch? That's what it's like seeing her trying to talk about the issues. Absolutely painful.

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[quote=saden1;481046]Don't turn off the internet now, the fun is just getting started.

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I don't even know what to say...

:doh:

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[quote=saden1;481046]Don't turn off the internet now, the fun is just getting started.

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The only question in my mind is, who put her on the list of possible running mates for McCain, and does that person still have a job?

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[quote=Beemnseven;481091]The only question in my mind is, who put her on the list of possible running mates for McCain, and does that person still have a job?[/quote]

Do you think McCain approved of that message?

:lol:

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[quote=Mattyk72;481096]Do you think McCain approved of that message?

:lol:[/quote]

I can't wait to see what Bill Maher does with this tomorrow night...

You want to hear something even funnier? From time to time, I go to a Republican message board just to get some laughs. So I thought I'd check in tonight to see how they'd spin this one. Here's an actual exchange between two Palin supporters trying frantically to explain this one away:

Republican poster #1:[I][B]She was in effect asked specifics regarding two issues about which she is not at liberty to comment... [/B][/I]

Republican poster #2 (in response):[I][B]Wow....you just brought up a FANTASTIC point...as Governor, Palin has NO DOUBT received briefings for the Active Duty Air Force leadership about the ongoing cat and mouse Russian, vs. US Air Force airspace issues, the US Navy seaspace issues and these “GOTCHA” idiots may have even pressed so much they were hoping for her to to mistakenly release classified info ... this could be a real reason she stumbled for words![/B][/I]

So there you have it -- Palin was trying to dodge questions which could seriously jeopardize our national security. Amazing isn't it?

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Yikes! What a terrible way to explain NORAD's function in Alaska.

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She's an affront to homo sapiens and putting her out there for interviews is a violation of our human rights. Brutal, just brutal!

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[quote=Beemnseven;481103]Republican poster #2 (in response):[I][B]Wow....you just brought up a FANTASTIC point...as Governor, Palin has NO DOUBT received briefings for the Active Duty Air Force leadership about the ongoing cat and mouse Russian, vs. US Air Force airspace issues, the US Navy seaspace issues and these “GOTCHA” idiots may have even pressed so much they were hoping for her to to mistakenly release classified info ... this could be a real reason she stumbled for words![/B][/I]
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I want to reach through the Internet and choke her and her advisors. This "Alaska is next to Russia" thing is such a stupid justification for foreign policy experience it's ridiculous. This idiot Republican poster can't be serious...or has certainly never served in any overseas or tactical arm of the military. I can promise with 100% certainty that the USAF is NOT consulting with the governor of Alaska on any type of operations, unless for some reason it was a natural disaster issue requiring the assistance or coordination with the Alaska National Guard.

It's pretty bad when Katie Couric appears more prepared than Palin. :madani:

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[quote=Beemnseven;481103]I can't wait to see what Bill Maher does with this tomorrow night...

You want to hear something even funnier? From time to time, I go to a Republican message board just to get some laughs. So I thought I'd check in tonight to see how they'd spin this one. Here's an actual exchange between two Palin supporters trying frantically to explain this one away:

Republican poster #1:[I][B]She was in effect asked specifics regarding two issues about which she is not at liberty to comment... [/B][/I]

Republican poster #2 (in response):[I][B]Wow....you just brought up a FANTASTIC point...as Governor, Palin has NO DOUBT received briefings for the Active Duty Air Force leadership about the ongoing cat and mouse Russian, vs. US Air Force airspace issues, the US Navy seaspace issues and these “GOTCHA” idiots may have even pressed so much they were hoping for her to to mistakenly release classified info ... this could be a real reason she stumbled for words![/B][/I]

So there you have it -- Palin was trying to dodge questions which could seriously jeopardize our national security. Amazing isn't it?[/quote]

Unbelievable

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Who is worse?

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