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[quote=Skins4Eva;505717]I dont care if I get banned, so ban me then. Jason Campbell sucks, I said it a long time ago, stop with the excuses please, he is too damn slow, Ive said it and I will say it again. How much time do we give this guy? Im saying it...there needs to be an open competition at QB this offseason. Enough with the blind optimism. There is being a fan and being blinded by emotion. When Portis doesnt hand hold the team and carry the team on his back, Campbell does NOTHING to win a game. Zorns playcalling is basic and predictable. We have zero TRUE recievers. We have two great athletes in Moss and Randle El, but they are not true recievers as far as being route runners, hence they always never seem to be open. Before I get blasted for telling the truth and probably banned, why the hell does everyone on this sight seemingly dissapprove of anyone telling the truth as opposed to blind optimism? Everyone talks of stability, and we have stunk offensively for years. Hell with that, im calling for an overhaul. Marcus Washington, Shawn Springs, Jansen, Rabach, Randle El, need to go, and [B]Campbell should be given the rest of the year then challenged by Brennan or bring in someone else.[/B] Don't even get me started on Jason Taylor. To hell with this boring ass and ineffective offense. I love the Washington Redskins but I absolutely am disgusted with this current collection of players. I will say, atleast the defense played with some heart. Oh yeah, and I also believe i said the Hall signing was good too. I used to love this site but my god, if you say anything against the team you are some how not knowledgeable or a true fan. Playoffs?! Are you kidding?![/quote]

I do agree an over haul necessary in some parts with lots of people getting older, but let's give Jason two years in the same offense before we start going crazy.

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35-36 at home...........

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[quote=Skins4Eva;505717]I dont care if I get banned, so ban me then. Jason Campbell sucks, I said it a long time ago, stop with the excuses please, he is too damn slow, Ive said it and I will say it again. How much time do we give this guy? Im saying it...there needs to be an open competition at QB this offseason. Enough with the blind optimism. There is being a fan and being blinded by emotion. When Portis doesnt hand hold the team and carry the team on his back, Campbell does NOTHING to win a game. Zorns playcalling is basic and predictable. We have zero TRUE recievers. We have two great athletes in Moss and Randle El, but they are not true recievers as far as being route runners, hence they always never seem to be open. Before I get blasted for telling the truth and probably banned, why the hell does everyone on this sight seemingly dissapprove of anyone telling the truth as opposed to blind optimism? Everyone talks of stability, and we have stunk offensively for years. Hell with that, im calling for an overhaul. Marcus Washington, Shawn Springs, Jansen, Rabach, Randle El, need to go, and Campbell should be given the rest of the year then challenged by Brennan or bring in someone else. Don't even get me started on Jason Taylor. To hell with this boring ass and ineffective offense. I love the Washington Redskins but I absolutely am disgusted with this current collection of players. I will say, atleast the defense played with some heart. Oh yeah, and I also believe i said the Hall signing was good too. I used to love this site but my god, if you say anything against the team you are some how not knowledgeable or a true fan. Playoffs?! Are you kidding?![/quote]

Ive never seen anyone get banned for stating what you are stating,I have seen them get overwhelmingly bullied though,lol

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[quote=Bushead;505719]I do agree an over haul necessary in some parts with lots of people getting older, but let's give Jason two years in the same offense before we start going crazy.[/quote]
i dont agree. hes a professional. at this point in the season, we should see improvement..

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we're not out yet, simple as that.... this team CAN win games. and we'll see if we do.

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[quote=htownskinfan;505722]Ive never seen anyone get banned for stating what you are stating,I have seen them get overwhelmingly bullied though,lol[/quote]

Dude, I'm with you. Campbell is just O.K. Colt has something about him I like.
I don't know .....this sucks.

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I am disgusted! We laid a rotten egg on the field today. This was a game that could very well have been won. With so many opportunities we failed to capitalize on, bad decision making on both the coaching staff and the players, and horrible execution, we beat ourselves. Suisham needs to get canned. He has failed us too many times. Jason Campbell is reading the field horribly and has been mediocre at best. I'm ready for Colt Brennen's debut. Zorn needs to involve Sellers more throughout the game. He has the potential to be a very dangerous weapon for our offense and we need all the weapons we can get... Bottom line is that Coach Zorn needs light a well deserved fire under this team's ass!!

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[quote=LMsexyAO;505666]Sorry Sean... redskins just spit on your memory 2 years in a row[/quote]

That's the most ignorant thing I've ever read on this board.

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[quote=Smooter;505747]That's the most ignorant thing I've ever read on this board.[/quote]

I agree completely. That dude is way off, its just an asshole thing to say.

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we dont need that here.

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[quote=Bushead;505719]I do agree an over haul necessary in some parts with lots of people getting older, but let's give Jason two years in the same offense before we start going crazy.[/quote]

You're saying to give the guy 6 years to win games?

Next year is his last unless he improves. That's the end of his contract. Zorn must bet his future as a head coach on JC. I think he's good but will never get to the elite level.

It's not just about stats. The best QB win games and score points. We are currently a low-scoring offense under JC. I know there are lots of WR drops, but many of JC passes that aren't thrown well.

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[quote=Meks;505725]we're not out yet, simple as that.... this team CAN win games. and we'll see if we do.[/quote]

Next season maybe, we're done for now. If this team didn't show up this week or last week, when are they going to show up? Even if they back into the playoffs (very doubtful given the competitiveness in the NFC this year), what are they going to do in the playoffs? One and done? Then you have last year's team, so nothing more has been accomplished. ON the positive side, this team could have completely screwed things up, and being 7-5 is not that bad deal with a rookie coach. However, I think the flashes of greatness that the team had at the beginning of the season led us to dream big. To think this team has a chance is wishful thinking at best, because right now all the team can do is save face and hope to finish above .500.

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I think it's safe to say JC is not getting a Roethlisberger contract in the offseason. JC hasn't quite arrived yet has he? It very well might be the line or a new offense, but he is not worth franchise QB money right now period.

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[quote=htownskinfan;505063]go past the fucking 1st down marker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wtf!!!!!!!!![/quote]

Amen, htownskinfan That is the smartest thing I'v heard all day.

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First of all I am in the "Bench Campbell Club"...he's just average, not a real play maker. Question me all you want. However the staff refuses to call plays or game plans that suit Campbells strengths. No rollouts and no hurry up. Hell they dont even hurry up in the 2 minute drill!!! Why on earth do we get away from running the ball? I dont care if they stop us initially, keep at it. When our playoff chances are officially over, and they will be soon, Colt needs to be put in the game with the rest of our rookies. Rest Cp and let Betts earn the right to be back next year. And if he does, still trade him. Maybe then, will he be of some value to this team. Trade Value! To hell with optimism and support of this offense. The're bush league. I feel sorry for the guys that have spent their careers in Whashinton in vain, i.e Samuels, CP and for the most part Cooley,unless he cuts and runs before its too late. The offensive line can only be of partial blame. JC is never ready when he comes out of his drop, he steps into the rush on every play. He has no skill at escaping the rush. He only gets rid of the ball after the protection has broken down. Im sorry if it sounds like im venting...Im not. Campbell is not a playmaker. He only excells when everything falls in place, when all the planets align. Hes never going to make things happen.

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IM ON THE FENCE ON cAMPBELL.

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We need Atlanta to fucking lose to stay in this playoff race

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We got a long way to go people not dead yet. As far as Campbell I'd like to see improvement more he is seeming to decide when to run quicker and making better plays with his feet. But he does'nt always get great protection and if he did'nt have so many drops maybe he gains some confindence and loosens up the D. He was'nt great but I would'nt put it all on him, He needs more of a chance.

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Man the game was'nt on t.v. where I am so I followed on line. I just saw the highlights and jesus we fucked ourselves the missed tackles cost so fucking much probly 13 points, We were in position to make many many plays that we did'nt. The fg miss really hit us hard, You can't discount what momentum can do. Just dumb shit allday Campbell had El open for a td and underthrew him all the penalties and Springs bumping Hall, This shit is correctable and you know this team only plays it's best when their hopes are all but over. We can still do it.

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[quote=Rockinganker;505710]They need to bench Campbell and get some real WR's. Same shit, different year.

9-7 is my guess.

Bad game all around, nobody thought the Skins would win but that was a very ugly try all around.[/quote]

I agree with the record prognostication, but not too sure about benching JC yet. The problem is partially the system I think. If Gibbs was here JC would be statistically much better since his(Gibbs) passing game emphasized longer passing routes. WE do need to dump Thrash for sure, and maybe Randle El. We are paying too much for both for the output they are giving us.

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If we can sqeak by Baltimore and Philly we might have a chance, but from what I saw Philly do to Arizona, I am apt to say that our season is toast.

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[quote=horse;505818]We got a long way to go people not dead yet. As far as Campbell I'd like to see improvement more he is seeming to decide when to run quicker and making better plays with his feet. But he does'nt always get great protection and if he did'nt have so many drops maybe he gains some confindence and loosens up the D. He was'nt great but I would'nt put it all on him, He needs more of a chance.[/quote]


I say let him finish the season out then have an open competition next preseason for the starting position at Qb like others have alluded to. Zorn really needs to reevaluate his system and tweak it to open the passing game up. The days of the classic West Coast Offense are gone. I know in the other thread I joked with The Goat about bringing Norv back as the OC, but that might not be so crazy as it sounds. We have way too much talent on offense to be sputtering like this!!!!!!

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[quote=GusFrerotte;505839]I say let him finish the season out then have an open competition next preseason for the starting position at Qb like others have alluded to. Zorn really needs to reevaluate his system and tweak it to open the passing game up. The days of the classic West Coast Offense are gone. I know in the other thread I joked with The Goat about bringing Norv back as the OC, but that might not be so crazy as it sounds. We have way too much talent on offense to be sputtering like this!!!!!![/quote]

All these people who think JC is the problem make me laugh. Shitty pass protection, dropped balls, and poor play calling aren't his fault.

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let the year play out. alot of hate going around. they are 7-5. not the best looking 7-5 but still in the hunt. i thought coming into the year that zorn needed some exp. i think he has done OK.

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;505804]We need Atlanta to fucking lose to stay in this playoff race[/quote]

We really needed Norv to help us out, but he did not. Matt Ryan is a better QB than Jason Campbell right now, and that's hurting us.

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[quote=GMScud;505858]All these people who think JC is the problem make me laugh. Shitty pass protection, dropped balls, and poor play calling aren't his fault.[/quote]

What the @$^!$#@ are you talking about? Jason dropped three balls on 3rd down, killing three drives. Jason got beat cleanly off the line by Coefield, allowing Jason to get sacked. Jason got beat by a swim move by Justin Tuck, allowing Jason to get sacked. Jason allowed Manning to throw for 300 yards. Dude, you seriously need to start playing Madden more often so you could see the light like the rest of us.
:yeahright

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[quote=GMScud;505858]All these people who think JC is the problem make me laugh. Shitty pass protection, dropped balls, and poor play calling aren't his fault.[/quote]

I agree... it's absolutely ridiculous.

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[quote=Mattyk72;505941]I agree... it's absolutely ridiculous.[/quote]I do think you should start offering temporary bans to those who can't analyze a game without first blaming the quarterback. I'm not talking about the people who have (correctly) pointed out that Jason Campbell has not had a good 4 game stretch, or the people who suggest that we might want to get deeper at the position in the off-season. I'm talking about the people who think he hasn't had a good season and looks like a bust.

I'm all for dissenting opinion, but making crap up IMO need not be tolerated.

My favorite was the guy who suggested Campbell should be benched because he was "only average". By definition, admitting that he's better than 15-16 starting QBs in the NFL, but then suggesting that we need to find someone better amongst Colt Brennan and Todd Collins.

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I really want to know where our WR's are, every time the ball was in the air 3 defenders were there. Can't anyone get open? I don't see how that is JC's fault, but I don't know, because how all the receivers look down the field. Really that was a disappointing loss.

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we needed to get Jared Allen...

FAIL!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;505948]I really want to know where our WR's are, every time the ball was in the air 3 defenders were there. Can't anyone get open? I don't see how that is JC's fault, but I don't know, because how all the receivers look down the field. Really that was a disappointing loss.[/quote]

Has anyone else noticed that when Jason gets sacked or hit and the camera pans to the wideouts, 9 out of 10 times they're blanketed? I am sure Jason has missed a bunch of open wide receivers, but it seems like our wideouts aren't getting free.

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he has missed a bunch of open ppl, which is beat.. its the pressure half the time tho

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[quote=GTripp0012;505946]I do think you should start offering temporary bans to those who can't analyze a game without first blaming the quarterback. I'm not talking about the people who have (correctly) pointed out that Jason Campbell has not had a good 4 game stretch, or the people who suggest that we might want to get deeper at the position in the off-season. I'm talking about the people who think he hasn't had a good season and looks like a bust.

I'm all for dissenting opinion, but making crap up IMO need not be tolerated.

My favorite was the guy who suggested Campbell should be benched because he was "only average". By definition, admitting that he's better than 15-16 starting QBs in the NFL, but then suggesting that we need to find someone better amongst Colt Brennan and Todd Collins.[/quote]

you gotta be shitting me,ban people for their opinon because you dont agree with it?
better ban me because i dont agree with you

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[quote=GTripp0012;505946]I do think you should start offering temporary bans to those who can't analyze a game without first blaming the quarterback. I'm not talking about the people who have (correctly) pointed out that Jason Campbell has not had a good 4 game stretch, or the people who suggest that we might want to get deeper at the position in the off-season. I'm talking about the people who think he hasn't had a good season and looks like a bust.

I'm all for dissenting opinion, but making crap up IMO need not be tolerated.

My favorite was the guy who suggested Campbell should be benched because he was "only average". By definition, admitting that he's better than 15-16 starting QBs in the NFL, but then suggesting that we need to find someone better amongst Colt Brennan and Todd Collins.[/quote]

I think banning ppl for this would be pretty ridiculous. I mean we're in a frustrating stretch of the season, and people will say naive statements out of frustration.

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[quote=LMsexyAO;505666]Sorry Sean... redskins just spit on your memory 2 years in a row[/quote]

Pretty classless and ignorant thing to say.

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[quote=Ruhskins;505985]I think banning ppl for this would be pretty ridiculous. I mean we're in a frustrating stretch of the season, and people will say naive statements out of frustration.[/quote]What I'm saying is that the same people who need to make stuff up in order to make a point aren't the people who are adding any sort of value to the site.

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[quote=htownskinfan;505978]you gotta be shitting me,ban people for their opinon because you dont agree with it?
better ban me because i dont agree with you[/quote]Yeah, uh, that's not what I said at all.

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[quote=Ruhskins;505985]I think banning ppl for this would be pretty ridiculous. I mean we're in a frustrating stretch of the season, and people will say naive statements out of frustration.[/quote]

I think what GTripp is getting at is that people talk out of their ass and can't back up their statements with anything substantial. I think we all know Jason Campbell isn't Hall of Fame material (yet), but he's no Ryan Leaf either, no matter how badly some people want to make it out to be.

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Hate to say i told you so about our boy Campbell but oh well. Can't blame him totally though because the play calling was terrible also. The O-line couldn't keep anybody out of the backfield so its not entirely Campbells fault but he does make it easy with these easy dink and dunk passes

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[quote=prinzeofmoval;506000]Hate to say i told you so about our boy Campbell but oh well.[/quote]

We should have listened to you and thrown Brennan into the fire. We all know every late round rookie QB is a Tom Brady. :Flush: