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The irony about a trade to Minnesota or Tampa is that the Vikings and Bucs both run the WCO that apparently Campbell can't master here in DC.

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[quote=Superman13732;548803]As much as I would love to see us dump Campbell, we have other, much more pressing needs. if we don't get a DE, then we aren't going to see the full return on Haynesworths 100 mil. (If its even possible to get a full return). And what about the entire right side of our O-line? [B]And someone please tell me we are bringing Marcus back[/B].[/quote]

:offtopic:
anyone else remember Jack Nicholson in "A Few Good Men"
[I]Col. Jessep: Absolutely. My answer is I don't have the first *** clue. Maybe he was an early riser and liked to pack in the morning. And maybe he didn't have any friends. I'm an educated man, but I'm afraid I can't speak intelligently about the travel habits of William Santiago. What I do know is that he was set to leave the base at 0600. Now, are these the questions I was really called here to answer? Phone calls and foot lockers? [U]Please tell me that you have something more, Lieutenant[/U]. These two Marines are on trial for their lives. Please tell me their lawyer hasn't pinned their hopes to a phone bill.[/I]

absolutely awesome scene

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[quote=GTripp0012;548754]If Campbell gets dealt, I'm not going to abandon the Skins, but I will adopt the team he goes to and root fervently for them.[/quote]

Why the whole team, they don't deserve it. I'll wish him well and hope that he helps out another team (if they're not a rival) but there are 52 other players on that team that I likely don't care about.

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[quote=Defensewins;548793]I might be misunderstanding your post...but if I understand question correctly, the benefit of hyping another player you have no intention of drafting is the teams drafting ahead of you will take the player you are hyping instead of the player you realyl want, like an Okrapo, a LB or an OT.
We really need an OT, DE, LB or C.
A Qb would be a luxury pick. Especially if we have give up future picks or another player to get Sanchez.
I personally do not think Sanchez is worth giving up future picks to move up to get. Sanchez has publicly stated he wants to go to Seattle.[/quote]

I get that but we pretty much already knew he wasn't going to fall to us. I haven't seen that from Sanchez, but I thought that he was pretty high on all of the teams that he visited, not just Seattle; I haven't looked into it either though.

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Sanchez is going to be another Leinhart and would be a wasted first round pick. If Carroll even says he isn't ready, I wouldn't take a gamble on him. Only one year under his belt at USC doesn't mean he is automatically NFL grade yet. Everyone has him going to Seattle in their mocks and I hope they are right. We need linemen on either side of the ball!!!!!!!!!

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[quote=GusFrerotte;548817]Sanchez is going to be another Leinhart and would be a wasted first round pick. If Carroll even says he isn't ready, I wouldn't take a gamble on him. Only one year under his belt at USC doesn't mean he is automatically NFL grade yet. Everyone has him going to Seattle in their mocks and I hope they are right. We need linemen on either side of the ball!!!!!!!!![/quote]

I would have to agree with you. He definitely needs a few years of grooming. Seattle would be ideal for him. He could elarn under Hasselbeck whos probably got 2-3 more years in the tank (if his body holds up).

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The plot thickens.. [url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskins/2009/apr/23/jets-interested-in-campbell/]Jets interested in Campbell - Redskins 360 - Washington Times[/url]

It'd be nice to get a 3rd and a conditional pick in '10 based on production or an extension. Wishful thinking, I know

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I'm so sick of this saga, I can't wait until saturday when it will all be over. The skins front office are a bunch of idiots. You can really see the difference between when Joe Gibbs was there running things to now. It's like a bad car wreck, you just can't turn away..I just hope what ever happens to Jason Campbell he will come out on top of the situation.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;548817]Sanchez is going to be another Leinhart and would be a wasted first round pick. If Carroll even says he isn't ready, I wouldn't take a gamble on him. Only one year under his belt at USC doesn't mean he is automatically NFL grade yet. Everyone has him going to Seattle in their mocks and I hope they are right. We need linemen on either side of the ball!!!!!!!!![/quote]

Leinart has screwed himself over with his party habits. From what I've read Sanchez doesn't have that problem.

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[quote=REDSKIN1;548823][B]I'm so sick of this saga, I can't wait until saturday when it will all be over.[/B] The skins front office are a bunch of idiots. You can really see the difference between when Joe Gibbs was there running things to now. It's like a bad car wreck, you just can't turn away..[B]I just hope what ever happens to Jason Campbell he will come out on top of the situation.[/B][/quote]

I feel same thing (sort of).. Especially in the bold part, I truly hope he does come out on top of the situation, as well..

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[quote=Paintrain;548822]The plot thickens.. [url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskins/2009/apr/23/jets-interested-in-campbell/]Jets interested in Campbell - Redskins 360 - Washington Times[/url]

It'd be nice to get a 3rd and a conditional pick in '10 based on production or an extension. Wishful thinking, I know[/quote]

This is mostly a fleshing out of an article Smoot posted earlier. All these rumors and innuendos do nothing more than aggravate the fans. No one of ANY credibility has come out and said that this stuff has any real basis.
Having said that, the draft certainly can't get here fast enough!

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[quote=Paintrain;548822]The plot thickens.. [url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskins/2009/apr/23/jets-interested-in-campbell/]Jets interested in Campbell - Redskins 360 - Washington Times[/url]

It'd be nice to get a 3rd and a conditional pick in '10 based on production or an extension. Wishful thinking, I know[/quote]

Latest rumor from where I sit has the Bucs and Skins very, very close to a deal that gets Campbell to Tampa and a low 2nd coming here (so low it's almost a third). Since the Bucs don't have a 2nd round pick, I don't believe they do anymore, I'm not sure how that deal happens exactly. Clearly there's another team involved that would get something from Tampa I presume. And over the next 48 hours the difference between "very, very close" and "dead in the water" is minimal.

All this depends of course on if they can get Sanchez (1st, 3rd, and 2nd in 2010 I think was what I last heard)

Otherwise it's Clay Matthews at 13 (or some USC LB)

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[quote=SmootSmack;548830]Latest rumor from where I sit has the Bucs and Skins very, very close to a deal that gets Campbell to Tampa and a low 2nd coming here (so low it's almost a third). Since the Bucs don't have a 2nd round pick, I don't believe they do anymore, I'm not sure how that deal happens exactly. Clearly there's another team involved that would get something from Tampa I presume. And over the next 48 hours the difference between "very, very close" and "dead in the water" is minimal.

All this depends of course on if they can get Sanchez (1st, 3rd, and 2nd in 2010 I think was what I last heard)

Otherwise it's Clay Matthews at 13 (or some USC LB)[/quote]

Is that at #4 to Seattle? Assuming we do the TB deal, that's not terrible. We'd change QB and move into the 2nd round rather than the third. Same net number of picks and minus one next year. Of course I'd rather stand pat, trade up for Orapko at #9 or trade down but if it's gonna go down, I don't mind this deal.

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[quote=REDSKIN1;548823]I'm so sick of this saga, I can't wait until saturday when it will all be over. The skins front office are a bunch of idiots. [b] You can really see the difference between when Joe Gibbs was there running things to now. [/b] It's like a bad car wreck, you just can't turn away..I just hope what ever happens to Jason Campbell he will come out on top of the situation.[/quote]How exactly? When we went up for Campbell we traded on the Thursday before into the bottom of the 1st and everyone knew we were targeting him. What would have happened if someone scooped him before us, how moronic would we have looked then?

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I hope Jason stays our QB. I live in Ohio about one hour from Pittsburgh & I have been a Skins fan for 37 years. Jason is he is a quality guy plus Joe Gibbs saw something in him.

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[quote=SmootSmack;548830]Latest rumor from where I sit has the Bucs and Skins very, very close to a deal that gets Campbell to Tampa and a low 2nd coming here (so low it's almost a third). Since the Bucs don't have a 2nd round pick, I don't believe they do anymore, I'm not sure how that deal happens exactly. Clearly there's another team involved that would get something from Tampa I presume. And over the next 48 hours the difference between "very, very close" and "dead in the water" is minimal.

All this depends of course on if they can get Sanchez (1st, 3rd, and 2nd in 2010 I think was what I last heard)

Otherwise it's Clay Matthews at 13 (or some USC LB)[/quote]Can an NFL team that just 8 months ago traded for Jason Taylor accept LESS compensation for their 27 year old QB? Stay tuned!

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[quote=Bigreds77;548844]I hope Jason stays our QB. I live in Ohio about one hour from Pittsburgh & I have been a Skins fan for 37 years. Jason is he is a quality guy plus Joe Gibbs saw something in him.[/quote]To be fair, Joe Gibbs also saw something in Snyder.

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I'm so fed up with all the rumors and crap (if they are real) and draft the "Dirty Sanchez" and get rid of Campbell, that I hope it blows up in their face. Maybe the FO will learn their lesson for once and for all to quit ****ING with these team.

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[quote=Bigreds77;548844]I hope Jason stays our QB. I live in Ohio about one hour from Pittsburgh & I have been a Skins fan for 37 years. Jason is he is a quality guy [B]plus Joe Gibbs saw something in him[/B].[/quote]

I love Joe Gibbs but this last part here doesn't mean very much. Gibbs was never a personnel guy. He was out of the game for 11 years, saw one workout of Campbell, and took the plunge.

Isn't it possible Gibbs was wrong about Jason Campbell?

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[quote=SmootSmack;548830]Latest rumor from where I sit has the Bucs and Skins very, very close to a deal that gets Campbell to Tampa and a low 2nd coming here (so low it's almost a third). Since the Bucs don't have a 2nd round pick, I don't believe they do anymore, I'm not sure how that deal happens exactly. Clearly there's another team involved that would get something from Tampa I presume. And over the next 48 hours the difference between "very, very close" and "dead in the water" is minimal.

All this depends of course on if they can get Sanchez (1st, 3rd, and 2nd in 2010 I think was what I last heard)

Otherwise it's Clay Matthews at 13 (or some USC LB)[/quote]

:vomit: - If it happens

:Flush: - Next Year

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[quote=Paintrain;548839]Is that at #4 to Seattle? Assuming we do the TB deal, that's not terrible. We'd change QB and move into the 2nd round rather than the third. Same net number of picks and minus one next year. Of course I'd rather stand pat, trade up for Orapko at #9 or trade down but if it's gonna go down, I don't mind this deal.[/quote]

Yeah Seattle, I heard a Moss (Santana, not Randy) to Titans 3rd round rumor as well. But it sounded kind of shaky.

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[quote=SmootSmack;548855]Yeah Seattle, I heard a Moss (Santana, not Randy) to Titans 3rd round rumor as well. But it sounded kind of shaky.[/quote]


So that would mean that all of our WR hopes would be placed on ARE, Thomas and Kelly. :confused-

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[quote=Paintrain;548841]How exactly? When we went up for Campbell we traded on the Thursday before into the bottom of the 1st and everyone knew we were targeting him. What would have happened if someone scooped him before us, how moronic would we have looked then?[/quote]

I'm not talking about the trading up or trading down to acquire the player you want. What I'm talking about is the fact that when Joe Gibbs was here everything was done in a more professional manner. We didn't have the big top circus outside the front gate like we do now. There is nothing wrong with targeting your guy if that is who you want to get in the draft. All I'm saying is I wish we were a little more professional about the whole situation. (i.e. Patriots, Colts, Giants, Steelers, Eagles,etc.....)

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[quote=drew54;548856]So that would mean that all of our WR hopes would be placed on ARE, Thomas and Kelly. :confused-[/quote]

Like I said, the rumor sounded very weak. Not even worth mentioning.

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[quote=REDSKIN1;548859]I'm not talking about the trading up or trading down to acquire the player you want. What I'm talking about is the fact that when Joe Gibbs was here everything was done in a more professional manner. We didn't have the big top circus outside the front gate like we do now. There is nothing wrong with targeting your guy if that is who you want to get in the draft. All I'm saying is I wish we were a little more professional about the whole situation. (i.e. Patriots, Colts, Giants, Steelers, Eagles,etc.....)[/quote]

It's not the Redskins creating the big top circus, as much as it is the media...and for that, I apologize

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Smoot, how crazy is it at that place? I mean between all the rumors, and people trying to get the scoop, I imagine it is quite a wild coffee room right now.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;548798]If I remember the projections right a lot of beginning mocks had all the OT's and DE's being gone by the time it got to our pick at 13. If, by feigning interest in Sanchez, we put pressure on at least one team ahead of us to get him instead of a DE/OT, then we have a better chance of having a player of need fall to us, plus if the 2nd of 3 first round qb's go, we increase the chance of a qb hungry team trading up to get Freeman at our spot.

So a perfect scenario now, may be: Denver, worried we were going to take Sanchez, drafts him at 12, then New York, thinking we are dissatisfied enough with Campbell to take Freeman, trades with us at 13 giving us there 1st and 2nd or 3rd to get Freeman. Thus we would have leveraged our supposed disinterest in JC to having multiple picks, and getting Mack, or another quality player that feels an area of need.[/quote]

Good post and this is exactly what I'm hoping for. Vinny could surprise some people and this could actually happen. It makes the most sense, and is what I thought we were up to when all this crap about Sanchez started. Of course the more you hear, the harder it is to believe that we're not really after him, and that this is all just a smokescreen, but if it is.....well played FO.....well played.

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Snyder should be leveraging the fact that we're going to suck next year into offering a 2010 third rounder instead of a second rounder.

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Just saw a piece on SportsCenter about how risky drafting underclass QBs can be, followed up by Trent Dilfer raving about Sanchez being one of his "can't miss prospects".

I'm so confused. I'm excited about what Dilfer had to say, yet not thrilled about the idea of having a rookie under center.

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Trent Dilfer is smarter than history.

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[quote=GTripp0012;548902]Trent Dilfer is smarter than history.[/quote]

I guess he thinks so, because history says differently. Post #679. Page 46.

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So if we draft Sanchez, Campbell is gone....correct? Does that mean Sanchez will be starting right out the gate...............and against the G-men? I'm not a Campbell fan but that won't be pretty.

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;548926]So if we draft Sanchez, Campbell is gone....correct? Does that mean Sanchez will be starting right out the gate...............and against the G-men? I'm not a Campbell fan but that won't be pretty.[/quote]

Actually it should be priceless...I wish we could have a camera on Danny and Vinny the whole game in splitscreen w/ the action on the field :laughing-

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[quote=REDSKIN1;548859]I'm not talking about the trading up or trading down to acquire the player you want. What I'm talking about is the fact that when Joe Gibbs was here everything was done in a more professional manner. We didn't have the big top circus outside the front gate like we do now. There is nothing wrong with targeting your guy if that is who you want to get in the draft. All I'm saying is I wish we were a little more professional about the whole situation. (i.e. Patriots, Colts, Giants, Steelers, Eagles,etc.....)[/quote]
Hate to burst your bubble but it was exactly like this with Gibbs.. Remember the Brunell pursuit? The Lavar Arrington saga? The free agency class of '06? There's not much difference.

Like SS said, it's really media driven. Recall last offseason when we didn't do anything in free agency and had all of those draft picks they still tried to throw the Redskins name in everything going on. This offseason has been wild in the NFL, period. The fact we've been active in pursuing a QB makes it look more chaotic than it actually is.

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[quote=Paintrain;548959][B]Hate to burst your bubble but it was exactly like this with Gibbs.. Remember the Brunell pursuit? The Lavar Arrington saga? The free agency class of '06? There's not much difference.[/B]

Like SS said, it's really media driven. Recall last offseason when we didn't do anything in free agency and had all of those draft picks they still tried to throw the Redskins name in everything going on. This offseason has been wild in the NFL, period. The fact we've been active in pursuing a QB makes it look more chaotic than it actually is.[/quote]

I love Gibbs, but he had he screw ups.

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[quote=Mattyk72;548671]I don't think even Snyder is that batshit crazy to give away 4 years of first rounders.[/quote]

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This is Snyder we are talking about. He is and can be batshit crazy.

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[quote=The Goat;548946]Actually it should be priceless...I wish we could have a camera on Danny and Vinny the whole game in splitscreen w/ the action on the field :laughing-[/quote]
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Sanchez will be turned into hamburger meat.

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[quote=TheSmurfs22;548969]~~~~
This is Snyder we are talking about. He is and can be batshit crazy.[/quote]

No he's not, otherwise he would have traded this year's 1st and 3rd and next year's 1st, 2nd and 3rd for Cutler. For as much as we like to kill him for being too aggressive and impulsive, even he has his limits.

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this whole sanchez shit pisses me off to no end,its like were becoming the lions,its sucking right now to be a skins fan.I'll never jump off the bandwagon,but this shit is ridiculous.If we draft sanchez,then start the mofo right away and get this experiment started,dont beat around the bush with it.I dont understand these teams,theyre crazy.Why are the browns even interested? theyre more messed up than us,didnt they just draft Quinn?{not long ago} he got 1 shot and I thought he played pretty good till he got hurt,now they want to start over? man I hope they take sanchez before us.I've never been a huge JC fan,but this move doesnt make any sense whatsoever

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[quote=htownskinfan;548986]this whole sanchez shit pisses me off to no end,its like were becoming the lions,its sucking right now to be a skins fan.I'll never jump off the bandwagon,but this shit is ridiculous.If we draft sanchez,then start the mofo right away and get this experiment started,dont beat around the bush with it.I dont understand these teams,theyre crazy.Why are the browns even interested? theyre more messed up than us,didnt they just draft Quinn?{not long ago} he got 1 shot and I thought he played pretty good till he got hurt,now they want to start over? man I hope they take sanchez before us.I've never been a huge JC fan,but this move doesnt make any sense whatsoever[/quote]

Space bar is your friend.

Seriously, it's not that serious. I'm a big Campbell supporter and I don't think this move turns us into the Lions.