Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

I think there were break downs across the board. O-line was not blocking. HC never figured out a way around that issue. Portis only had like 2 half decent runs. Betts still sucks although he did as good as Cartwright on KR. This is where I like to say I told you so, cause I told you all Betts could do that job as good or better. He has done it before. ARE had a great showing and so did Cooley. I'm not sure what JC's problem is. Does he walk up to the line and over think the defense? Is he sitting there always trying to change the play vs. just running the damn play given? Why does he only feel comfortable with 4 people? Moss, Cooley, Portis, and ARE? Did he not practice all summer with Thomas? Kelly?

When you out matched talent wise the best thing to do is take the other team off their game. The Giants did just that. The Skins allowed the Giants to man handle them and take them off their game. I don't think the better team won, instead the smartest team won. They found a way to win. Touche'.

The unfortunate thing is everyone else won. Now we are 1 game behind. It's going to be a long season and if it is....any bets on who's the next HC?

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=GMScud;588376]You either can't read or you're drunk. History of the NFL? LYAO at what? Illiteracy? I said "today's games." Thanks for trying though.

Campbell found Kelly several times during the preseason. If he was open I'm pretty sure he would have targeted him more. [B]I suppose you'd prefer to force throws to well covered players just because they're bigger and "more dynamic?" Please.[/B]

So if guys at the top of our depth chart can't get open, you think we should just bench them for the likes of our #5 WR? Good thing you're not he coach. Cooley had 7 catches and a TD. So why are you asking for Fred Davis?

You trying to set a record for lol's in a post? LOL.[/quote]

I'm not picking sides but wouldn't it be better then forcing throws to smaller dynamic players? Oh wait JC did that. Outcome: Interception.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

I guess my only thing for now is that all the hype that I usually never listen to actually did something for me. In between reading all the reports throughout training camp from places like the Redskins Blog and the others, and in the final two preseason games, I really thought we were coming on strong and that we would be ready to play and stand up to the Giants today. Sure I didn't think we'd just stomp all over the Giants in their place but I thought it would be a legit battle that would go down to the wire, and based on our up-tempo offense against the Pats and Jacksonville I figured we'd play the same way tonight. It was just a huge letdown. I should've seen the defensive breakdowns coming because they couldn't get off the field on third downs during the preseason and I also saw shoddy tackling too. I just didn't think our offense would look anything like what it looked like tonight and that was the part that left me in disbelief.

The good thing is that all of the problems we had are completely correctable and it's only the first game of the season so we have plenty of time left to fix our mistakes and start playing good football. I guess there's just a part of me that thinks that maybe this coaching staff, no matter how hard they try, might not get it done, or instead might just act like this never happened and continue on, or in JZ's case, just continue calling plays like he thought it actually worked against the Giants against a similar upcoming defense. I just want us to learn from our mistakes, not just the players, but the coaching staff too. That's the only way JZ, JC, and the rest of the team will be successful this season. Otherwise the JZ era will be shortlived because we all know what Dan can and probably will do.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=SBXVII;588384]I think there were break downs across the board. O-line was not blocking. HC never figured out a way around that issue. Portis only had like 2 half decent runs. Betts still sucks although he did as good as Cartwright on KR. This is where I like to say I told you so, cause I told you all Betts could do that job as good or better. He has done it before. ARE had a great showing and so did Cooley. I'm not sure what JC's problem is. Does he walk up to the line and over think the defense? Is he sitting there always trying to change the play vs. just running the damn play given? Why does he only feel comfortable with 4 people? Moss, Cooley, Portis, and ARE? Did he not practice all summer with Thomas? Kelly?

When you out matched talent wise the best thing to do is take the other team off their game. The Giants did just that. The Skins allowed the Giants to man handle them and take them off their game. I don't think the better team won, instead the smartest team won. They found a way to win. Touche'.

The unfortunate thing is everyone else won. Now we are 1 game behind. It's going to be a long season and if it is....any bets on who's the next HC?[/quote]

AMEN. I am not going down the backup RBs road again tho..lol.

Someone who started this game. Might be deactivated in the next game. We need to use our weapons. If Portis couldn't get going. You know Betts wasn't going to at RB. I am going to leave it at that. Betts screen pass. That's his whole game. Catching the dump off. I honestly dont think he is the only one that can do it.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=GMScud;588376]You either can't read or you're drunk. History of the NFL? LYAO at what? Illiteracy? I said "today's games." Thanks for trying though.

Campbell found Kelly several times during the preseason. If he was open I'm pretty sure he would have targeted him more. I suppose you'd prefer to force throws to well covered players just because they're bigger and "more dynamic?" Please.

So if guys at the top of our depth chart can't get open, you think we should just bench them for the likes of our #5 WR? Good thing you're not he coach. Cooley had 7 catches and a TD. So why are you asking for Fred Davis?

You trying to set a record for lol's in a post? LOL.[/quote]

Okay. Whether its stats for today or in the history of the NFL. Doesn't matter.

I am saying we didn't utilize our skill players. To the point your trying to make. If other players can't get it done DAMN RIGHT I am going down my depth chart for a player that can make plays. Whether its the 3ed 4th or 5th receiver. Cooley was making catches. So that means we couldn't use a two TE set? or utilize another TE? Your making no sense.

Also. it is better to throw high to a tall receiver on the sideline then to try to dart one to a smaller player. Atleast with the taller player if you throw it were only he can catch it on the sideline then if he misses it it goes out of bounds. DUH.

Yes I am glad I am not the coach. But that doesn't make Zorn a good coach.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=dmvskinzfan08;588430]Okay. Whether its stats for today or in the history of the NFL. Doesn't matter.

I am saying we didn't utilize our skill players. To the point your trying to make. If other players can't get it done DAMN RIGHT I am going down my depth chart for a player that can make plays. Whether its the 3ed 4th or 5th receiver. Cooley was making catches. So that means we couldn't use a two TE set? or utilize another TE? Your making no sense.

Also. it is better to throw high to a tall receiver on the sideline then to try to dart one to a smaller player. Atleast with the taller player if you throw it were only he can catch it on the sideline then if he misses it it goes out of bounds. DUH.

Yes I am glad I am not the coach. But that doesn't make Zorn a good coach.[/quote]

Yawn.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=dmvskinzfan08;588430]Okay. Whether its stats for today or in the history of the NFL. Doesn't matter.

[B]I am saying we didn't utilize our skill players.[/B] To the point your trying to make. If other players can't get it done DAMN RIGHT I am going down my depth chart for a player that can make plays. Whether its the 3ed 4th or 5th receiver. Cooley was making catches. So that means we couldn't use a two TE set? or utilize another TE? Your making no sense.

Also. it is better to throw high to a tall receiver on the sideline then to try to dart one to a smaller player. Atleast with the taller player if you throw it were only he can catch it on the sideline then if he misses it it goes out of bounds. DUH.

Yes I am glad I am not the coach. But that doesn't make Zorn a good coach.[/quote]

Is it that we didn't utilize our skill players, or did skill players like Moss not show up to play?

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=Lotus;588450]Is it that we didn't utilize our skill players, or did skill players like Moss not show up to play?[/quote]


Yeah Moss head wasn't in the game. That's my point. Try someone else out on a few plays and sit him down until he gets his head together. Moss is our #1 receiver no doubt. But on some plays use your tall receivers or other options to pull double teams off him or atleast having a bigger target or two (Kelly, Thomas, Mitchell) in the game would help.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=GMScud;588437]Yawn.[/quote]


Nice rebuttal tho. Good nite.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=BleedBurgundy;588012]Dallas scored 34 earlier, Philly scored 38. NYG are going to get damn near 30 against us... and we'll be lucky to get 17. Kinda says it all.[/quote]

Look at the opponents...Dallas played a TB team that is nowhere near the caliber of their teams in the past, especially on D. Philly played a horrible Carolina team whose QB had 5 TOs personally...if they can't score points with those gifts, they're hopeless.

We played a team with the BEST D-line in the NFL. We held their offense to 17 points.

I don't see things in your unrealistic way.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

I don't know where else to say this, but really, we know we can beat Dal, we know we can beat Philly. Can we just beat the Giants please. They seem to have our number, and I think its as much mental as it is on the field. somehow someway, we need to beat them when they come to Fedex later this year.
Thanks for listening

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=T.O.Killa;588092]God, I wish we had got Jay Cutler or Mark Sanchez.[/quote]

Cutler:
17/36 (47.2%), 277 yds, 1 TD, [B]4 INTS, 43.2 rating[/B]

Sanchez:
18/31 (58.1%), 272 yds. 1 TD, 1 INT, 84.3 rating

Campbell:
19/26 ([B]73.1%[/B]), 211 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, [B]93.6 rating[/B]

What did you say? JC was the best of them all yesterday. Cutler looked horrid. Sanchez looked like the rookie he is.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=dmvskinzfan08;588455]Yeah Moss head wasn't in the game. That's my point. Try someone else out on a few plays and sit him down until he gets his head together. Moss is our #1 receiver no doubt. But on some plays use your tall receivers or other options to pull double teams off him or atleast having a bigger target or two (Kelly, Thomas, Mitchell) in the game would help.[/quote]

Agreed. There is no point in having multiple weapons if you're not going to use them. Moss is not above the team, if he doesn't have his head in the game, sit his ass down and put someone in who does. It wouldn't have hurt to put in a bigger receiver to see if the DB's could handle him as well as they handled the smaller Moss.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=Buster;588767]


Campbell:
19/26 ([B]73.1%[/B]), 211 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, [B]93.6 rating[/B]

What did you say? JC was the best of them all yesterday. Cutler looked horrid. Sanchez looked like the rookie he is.[/quote]


............how many of the yards came on those 2 broken plays?

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=Giantone;589119]............how many of the yards came on those 2 broken plays?[/quote]

Congrats on a game well played, Giantone.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=Giantone;589119]............how many of the yards came on those 2 broken plays?[/quote]So they shouldn't count as offensive yards? Is there a separate category for broken play yards? I bet Tony Romo leads that category every year, with Favre a close second.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=Stacks42;588029]JMU loses, the skins are sh*tting the bed, and the warpath website is crashing left and right. A great weekend overall[/quote]

Not a good weekend to be a Dukes/Skins fan.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=Buster;588767]Cutler:
17/36 (47.2%), 277 yds, 1 TD, [B]4 INTS, 43.2 rating[/B]

Sanchez:
18/31 (58.1%), 272 yds. 1 TD, 1 INT, 84.3 rating

Campbell:
19/26 ([B]73.1%[/B]), 211 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, [B]93.6 rating[/B]

What did you say? JC was the best of them all yesterday. Cutler looked horrid. [B]Sanchez looked like the rookie he is[/B].[/quote]

Cutler looked awful. JC looked pretty lost. Sanchez didn't see the game for the rook, but he is 1-0. End of the day THATS ALL THAT COUNTS! WINS

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

Ill take a QB with a W instead of a QB with a 100+ rating and a L. just sayin

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;589126]So they shouldn't count as offensive yards? Is there a separate category for broken play yards? I bet Tony Romo leads that category every year, with Favre a close second.[/quote]

Ok ...you can untie your panties, my point is Campbell ...was calm and composed on 2 of the plays that were broken and just winged it.People jump on a QB and as was with the Giants............and Eli,once they got rid of Shockey Eli's #'s got better, the problem might not be Campbell.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=Lotus;589125]Congrats on a game well played, Giantone.[/quote]

Thank you,as I stated before it's only one game and there are 15 more to go.After watching highlights of the weekend ......I don't think anyone is that good and noone is that bad,things will level out in around 5wks.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=Giantone;589360]Thank you,as I stated before it's only one game and there are 15 more to go.After watching highlights of the weekend ......I don't think anyone is that good and noone is that bad,things will level out in around 5wks.[/quote]

I agree Giantone. It took comeback finishes for the Pats to beat the Bills, the Chargers to beat Oakland etc. A lot of teams are in the process of making adjustments and getting on track.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=Giantone;589360]Thank you,as I stated before it's only one game and there are 15 more to go.After watching highlights of the weekend ......I don't think anyone is that good and noone is that bad,things will level out in around 5wks.[/quote]

Still, your QB beat an experience secondary with young receivers and not much of a running game. I think that is very impressive. I'm sure you guys would have like to see more points on the board.

Hey quick question, what was your thought on Coughlin going for it on 4 and short near the endzone? I personally think he should've gone for 3...luckily for you guys that didn't come back to bite you at the end.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=Buster;588767]Cutler:
17/36 (47.2%), 277 yds, 1 TD, [B]4 INTS, 43.2 rating[/B]

Sanchez:
18/31 (58.1%), 272 yds. 1 TD, 1 INT, 84.3 rating

Campbell:
19/26 ([B]73.1%[/B]), 211 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, [B]93.6 rating[/B]

What did you say? JC was the best of them all yesterday. Cutler looked horrid. Sanchez looked like the rookie he is.[/quote]


From Boswell's column:

While the game was still in the hat, Campbell never got untracked. By the time the Giants hit a short field goal for a 23-10 lead with 3:12 to play, Campbell had passed for only 145 yards with one interception and two fumbles, one lost. However, his final drive, completing 5 for 6 for 66 yards, including a 17-yard score to Chris Cooley, raised, or padded, his quarterback rating to 93.6.

You can take comfort in the final stats and the 93.6 QB rating, but when the game still mattered, Campbell was mediocre and AGAIN, just not good enough to help his team win. Modest stats (like Favre's against the Browns) are fine in a win, but not in a loss. He did all he could do, but it just wasn't enough. Different year, same old story line.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=44Deezel;589437]From Boswell's column:

While the game was still in the hat, Campbell never got untracked. By the time the Giants hit a short field goal for a 23-10 lead with 3:12 to play, Campbell had passed for only 145 yards with one interception and two fumbles, one lost. However, his final drive, completing 5 for 6 for 66 yards, including a 17-yard score to Chris Cooley, raised, or padded, his quarterback rating to 93.6.

You can take comfort in the final stats and the 93.6 QB rating, but when the game still mattered, Campbell was mediocre and AGAIN, just not good enough to help his team win. Modest stats (like Favre's against the Browns) are fine in a win, but not in a loss. He did all he could do, but it just wasn't enough. Different year, same old story line.[/quote]

Well he was still better than Cutler, and well I wish we had been playing the Texans at home in our first game instead of the Giants at their home.

So you made half of a point here...what good does that make for the team?

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=44Deezel;589437]From Boswell's column:

While the game was still in the hat, Campbell never got untracked. By the time the Giants hit a short field goal for a 23-10 lead with 3:12 to play, Campbell had passed for only 145 yards with one interception and two fumbles, one lost. However, his final drive, completing 5 for 6 for 66 yards, including a 17-yard score to Chris Cooley, raised, or padded, his quarterback rating to 93.6.

You can take comfort in the final stats and the 93.6 QB rating, but when the game still mattered, Campbell was mediocre and AGAIN, just not good enough to help his team win. Modest stats (like Favre's against the Browns) are fine in a win, but not in a loss. He did all he could do, but it just wasn't enough. Different year, same old story line.[/quote]

So using this selective acceptance of stats...we can throw out Brady's last 2 drives last night and deduct him from his total, because they were in the final 2 minutes and the one drive was started by a stupid fumble on a kickoff return that never should have happened.

So Campbell makes plays at the end of the game and almost pulls out a win for us...and we're not supposed to count these stats? I don't get it. Flawed logic at its best.

The media loves to bash Campbell like this too...from his Yahoo fantasy news this morning:

[B]Sep 14[/B] QB Jason Campbell's numbers against the Giants -- 19-of-26, 211 yards, touchdown, interception, 93.6 rating -- were fine, but they were deceiving. Fifty-six of the yards, the touchdown and five of the completions came after the Redskins trailed 23-10 with 3:00 left. Campbell made two big mistakes earlier, failing to get rid of or secure the ball on the play on Osi Umenyiora's sack/fumble/touchdown and on the interception he threw to Corey Webster after having already crossed the line of scrimmage.

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7201/news;_ylt=AuQX.XE7POhGMM6ffmyQQtL.uLYF]Jason Campbell - Washington Redskins - News - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

JC is under such a microscope it's ridiculous.

You can pick apart anyone's stats, take away this, take away that. In the end it's a pointless debate. His numbers are what they are. How about this, take away his 2 turnovers and it's a different game.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=Mattyk72;589445]JC is under such a microscope it's ridiculous.

You can pick apart anyone's stats, take away this, take away that. In the end it's a pointless debate. His numbers are what they are. How about this, take away his 2 turnovers and it's a different game.[/quote]

Really. It's like a group of politicians spinning things the way they want it. I thought the argument was...Campbell needs to throw MORE INT's to show he's aggressive. :doh: Take away his 2 mistakes and he played lights out. The good news is..we probably won't see those same mistakes again.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=Ruhskins;589436]Still, your QB beat an experience secondary with young receivers and not much of a running game. I think that is very impressive. I'm sure you guys would have like to see more points on the board.

Hey quick question, what was your thought on Coughlin going for it on 4 and short near the endzone? I personally think he should've gone for 3...luckily for you guys that didn't come back to bite you at the end.[/quote]The reason going for the 7 was the right call is because that, even when we stopped them, all probability suggested that when the Giants got the ball back, it was going to be on our side of the 50. That's exactly what happened.

Nothing said, "the Redskins have to go 3 and out here", but taking 3 points also means you have to kick off to the Redskins, and gives us a better chance at having the ball at the 30 or 40 instead of the 5. And for what? 3 points. Make it seven, and that's a nice trade off.

I would have thrown it though, with the benefit of hindsight.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

He just wanted a new memory that he can reference when we play NY in NY as our opening game again next year. Unless we win the SB, then it will be NY in DC on opening day!

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;589473]He just wanted a new memory that he can reference when we play NY in NY as our opening game again next year. Unless we win the SB, then it will be NY in DC on opening day![/quote]

Now that you mention it I would love to win a sausage biscuit on opening day

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=Ruhskins;589436]Still, your QB beat an experience secondary with young receivers and not much of a running game. I think that is very impressive. I'm sure you guys would have like to see more points on the board.

Hey quick question, what was your thought on Coughlin going for it on 4 and short near the endzone? I personally think he should've gone for 3...luckily for you guys that didn't come back to bite you at the end.[/quote]

I think your front four is good enough ,there was(in my mind) no need to put eight in the box as often as you did,you guys played zone and they just hit the hole.I did say that you would see Boss and Smith become the go-to guys.
As for the call ...I liked it,it shows faith in the O amd if he makes it he's a genius,now I would not have run that play,fake the dive and either play action or a roll out....maybe a fade to the end zone.What bit us in the end as it does .ALWAYS....is that god damn "prevent D"..........which only prevents us from winning.Campbell had goodtime ....and you saw what he could do.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

I also loved going for it on 4th down. They already had a short FG and aside from the receiver situation the thing all Giants fans have been grumbling about is the inefficiency in the redzone. Last year, they had to settle for too many short fg's. Wasn't crazy about the play calling in the short yardage situations. Would like to see a boot, rollout, TE dump, something ANYTHING aside from Bradshaw or Jacobs trying to move a pile every down. Especially against a 330lb DTackle.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=Giantone;589709]I think your front for is good enough ,there was(in my mind) no need to put eight in the box as often as you did,you guys played zone and they just hit the hole.I did say that you would see Boss and Smith become the go-to guys.
As for the call ...I liked it,it shows faith in the O amd if he makes it he's a genius,now I would not have run that play,fake the dive and either play action or a roll out....maybe a fade to the end zone.What bit us in the end as it does .ALWAYS....is that god damn "prevent D"..........which only prevents us from winning.Campbell had goodtime ....and you saw what he could do.[/quote]Your prevent defense involves zone blitzing?

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=GTripp0012;590242]Your prevent defense involves zone blitzing?[/quote]

Nope ,look again ......on Cooley's TD we didn't blitz,rushed 4.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=Giantone;590472]Nope ,look again ......on Cooley's TD we didn't blitz,rushed 4.[/quote]Correct, but on the play before that, you blitzed 5 while dropping Kiwi into coverage. That hardly implies giving up the points. By comparison, our coordinator wouldn't run anything that creative if he were protecting a 3 point lead.

Onside kicks may only be a 10% deal, but if you didn't recover, I don't think your defense was stopping us.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=Mattyk72;589445][B]JC is under such a microscope it's ridiculous. [/B]

You can pick apart anyone's stats, take away this, take away that. In the end it's a pointless debate. His numbers are what they are.[B] How about this, take away his 2 turnovers and it's a different game[/B].[/quote]

As if thats a surprise...? He and all of Redskin Nation knew he was and would be all year. Hell, the FO tried there ass off to get him outta here before/during camp/Draft Day to make a deal to get him removed from the scene before the scene ever got going.

It's not ridiculous, it's part of being a LOSING QB in the NFL. Winning cures all, which JC hasn't been very good at.

I hope he can stop the turnovers, if not he very well could have a shortened last season in DC.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=skinsfan_nn;590510]As if thats a surprise...? He and all of Redskin Nation knew he was and would be all year. Hell, the FO tried there ass off to get him outta here before/during camp/Draft Day to make a deal to get him removed from the scene before the scene ever got going.

It's not ridiculous, it's part of being a LOSING QB in the NFL. Winning cures all, which JC hasn't been very good at.

[B]I hope he can stop the turnovers[/B], if not he very well could have a shortened last season in DC.[/quote]He turned the ball over less times than any other QB last year, so wouldn't it be not starting to turn it over?

He was 16-20 coming into this year, so in a 16 game season, he would have to go 11-5 to be a winning quarterback. If he did that, he'd be in the pro-bowl, so there has to be a middle ground.

He needs to show improvement, not undo all of the Redskins mistakes in the last 4 years.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=skinsfan_nn;590510]As if thats a surprise...? He and all of Redskin Nation knew he was and would be all year. Hell, the FO tried there ass off to get him outta here before/during camp/Draft Day to make a deal to get him removed from the scene before the scene ever got going.

It's not ridiculous, it's part of being a LOSING QB in the NFL. Winning cures all, which JC hasn't been very good at.

I hope he can stop the turnovers, if not he very well could have a shortened last season in DC.[/quote]

No, it is ridiculous considering he didn't play that bad of a game but you still have people convinced he's the worst starting QB in the league.

Re: Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009
 

[quote=skinsfan_nn;590510]As if thats a surprise...? He and all of Redskin Nation knew he was and would be all year. Hell, the FO tried there ass off to get him outta here before/during camp/Draft Day to make a deal to get him removed from the scene before the scene ever got going.

[B]It's not ridiculous, it's part of being a LOSING QB in the NFL. Winning cures all, which JC hasn't been very good at.[/B]

I hope he can stop the turnovers, if not he very well could have a shortened last season in DC.[/quote]

That's funny because Jay Cutler owns a 17-21 as a staring QB and everyone would prefer to have him/thinks he's the bee's knees, but Jason Campbell whose record is 16-21, sucks? Awesome logic...

That's right I said "the bee's knees"...someone needed to lighten this thing up.