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[quote=Dirtbag359;649718]I know this is sacrilege but right now if I had to bet on a team to win the Super Bowl I would feel comfortable putting my money on Dallas.[/quote]

:spank:

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[quote=Mattyk;649717][url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4795477]Mike Shanahan interviews with Washington Redskins for coaching job, report says - ESPN[/url][/quote]

"General manager Bruce Allen talked to Shanahan by phone on Monday as the team moved quickly following the dismissal of Jim Zorn."

Bruce: What time do you want the plane, and what do you want served inflight?

Shanny: Noon would be good, and some lobster would be great. Is Zorn out of my office yet?

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One thing is bothering me about this most recent report - why is Shanahan meeting with Snyder and not Allen?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;649733]One thing is bothering me about this most recent report - why is Shanahan meeting with Snyder and not Allen?[/quote]

If they're talking contract, that's Snyder's deal.

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[quote=Mattyk;649734]If they're talking contract, that's Snyder's deal.[/quote]

snyder signs the check

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Shanahan is confirmed in DC. CSN reportedly has footage at airport. Also, John keim reports that Cowher contacted the Redskins this morning, but felt the Shanny deal was done. Chances are, that is leaked by the Redskins to get Shanny to hurry up to a deal.

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;649740]Shanahan is confirmed in DC. CSN reportedly has footage at airport. Also, John keim reports that Cowher contacted the Redskins this morning, but felt the Shanny deal was done. Chances are, that is leaked by the Redskins to get Shanny to hurry up to a deal.[/quote]

If the skins selected shanahan over cowher then they're fools.

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If only the regular season was this exiting!

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Twitter is blowing up...

[url=http://twitter.com/dhellie/status/7377610459]Twitter / Dan Hellie: #Mikeshanahan has arrived ...[/url]

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[url=http://twitter.com/CHICKatCSN/status/7378129325]Twitter / CHICK HERNANDEZ: Our cameras have the arriv ...[/url]

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So when does Shanny's picture go up on the board and Z's go down?

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[quote]If the skins selected shanahan over cowher then they're fools.[/quote]
I couldn't disagree more. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes. Cowher coached a long time and a lot of bad/mediocre seasons until he finally got one. Shanny will also bring an offense to DC. Like it or not, throwing the rock wins games. 11/12 of the playoff teams have a top 16 team in passer rating.

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[quote=Daseal;649747]I couldn't disagree more. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes. Cowher coached a long time and a lot of bad/mediocre seasons until he finally got one. Shanny will also bring an offense to DC. Like it or not, throwing the rock wins games. 11/12 of the playoff teams have a top 16 team in passer rating.[/quote]


I agree, I can't take anymore ball control offense anymore. I want touchdowns and I want them now!

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[quote=Dirtbag359;649718]I know this is sacrilege but right now if I had to bet on a team to win the Super Bowl I would feel comfortable putting my money on Dallas.[/quote]

I have a bad feeling about dallas right now, as well. As long as they don't make it to the super bowl, I'll be happy. Plus who knows, maybe one of their games comes down to a field goal and we all know their kicker isn't that good :)

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;649740]Shanahan is confirmed in DC. CSN reportedly has footage at airport. Also, John keim reports that Cowher contacted the Redskins this morning, but felt the Shanny deal was done. Chances are, that is leaked by the Redskins to get Shanny to hurry up to a deal.[/quote]

Had heard last night that Cowher was a last minute possibility but didn't know he had called the Redskins. Cowher may have been using the Skins though.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;649733]One thing is bothering me about this most recent report - why is Shanahan meeting with Snyder and not Allen?[/quote]

Snyder is going to be involved in some manner, get used to it.. You can't expect him to go to Bora Bora and just check in once a year on how things are going.

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My better than Schefter Shanahan source has not responded to my messages the last couple of days...maybe they don't get service on planes

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[quote=Daseal;649747]I couldn't disagree more. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes. Cowher coached a long time and a lot of bad/mediocre seasons until he finally got one. Shanny will also bring an offense to DC. Like it or not, throwing the rock wins games. 11/12 of the playoff teams have a top 16 team in passer rating.[/quote]

I think both are fine coaches in their own right but yeah, given the choice I would take Shanahan because of his offenses.

But if you compare them, Cowher actually comes out ahead in winning percentage .623 to .598 so I think he did a little more than just get lucky here and there.

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/CowhBi0.htm]Bill Cowher Record, Statistics, and Category Ranks | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/ShanMi0.htm]Mike Shanahan Record, Statistics, and Category Ranks | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

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[quote=Dirtbag359;649715]Julius Peppers didn't get caught using steroids. Plus even if we did bring in Merriman, where do we put him? Do you want to go through another ill advised Orakpo experiment? Maybe we put him at RE and take Orakpo from his best position. Or we could put Merriman at LE and relive the Jason Taylor experiment. Even if did regain his beast form it is still likely that he wouldn't fit in here.[/quote]

1. Shawne is a OLB
2. Shift Rak to a rotation with Jarmon at RE
3. Merriman has played a 3-4 if we shift to a hybrid defense

honestly in a uncapped year the washington job [B]is the most desirable [/B]job of them all because you have a owner who will bring in whoever you want uncapped resources.

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[quote=Daseal;649747]I couldn't disagree more. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes. Cowher coached a long time and a lot of bad/mediocre seasons until he finally got one. Shanny will also bring an offense to DC. Like it or not, throwing the rock wins games. 11/12 of the playoff teams have a top 16 team in passer rating.[/quote]

why don't you wikipedia shanahan and cowher's coaching records? cowher's steelers were in the playoffs 75% of the time. they won the division 50% of the time. his win/loss record is superior to shanahans. he has more recent success than shanahan. his team played in a division very similar to our own. cowher's record is vastly surprior to shanahan's in every respect i can think of.

if anyone was a blind squirrel, it was shanahan - he only won 1 playoff game since elway retired. whereas his team got worse over the years, cowher's got better. shanahan's a good coach, and a great upgrade over zorn, but cowher is the superior coach. its not even debatable.

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Yep, [B]"The Rat"[/B] has arrived at Dulles.

Shanahan lands at Dulles

Updated at 3:48 p.m.

The unveiling of Mike Shanahan as the Redskins' new head coach could be imminent. On the same day that Jim Zorn was relieved of his head coaching duties, Shanahan arrived in Washington, where he's expected to conclude negotiations with the Redskins to fill their coaching vacancy.

Owner Daniel Snyder's plane departed Washington earlier this morning, just a couple of hours after General Manager Bruce Allen fired Zorn, and returned to Dulles International around 3 o'clock this afternoon with Shanahan -- long coveted by Snyder -- in tow.

Snyder's jet was spotted on the runway by Post reporter Zach Berman before quickly disappearing into a private hangar. NBC4's Dan Hellie found Shanahan at the airport, but the former Denver coach declined to comment. Hellie said he asked Shanahan if he'd like to talk. "No, not right now," Shanahan responded to Hellie.

Shanahan went from plane to car in short order and was whisked away to an unknown destination.

Allen said at today's news conference that he had no timetable for replacing Zorn, but promised that the search would be an aggressive one.

Citing an unnamed source, the Associated Press also reported that Allen and Shanahan spoke on the phone early this morning. Many in the organization and across the league have said for weeks that the hiring of Shanahan was inevitable. The Redskins' lost their
season finale, 23-30 Sunday, fired Zorn shortly after returning to Ashburn, making Shanahan's hiring imminent.

League sources say Shanahan has been quietly assembling a coaching staff for weeks and a major overhaul is expected.

Shanahan was fired as Denver head coach following the 2008 season and spent much of 2009 hearing his name attached to several head coaching jobs. But his options appeared to dry up quickly, according to sources. Though he interviewed for a position with the Buffalo Bills, and privately expressed interest in potentially joining the Dallas
Cowboys and Chicago Bears, those organizations were not interested in him, according to sources. If Shanahan is hired, as expected, he'd become the team's seventh head coach under Snyder -- and likely the league's highest-paid.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;649756]why don't you wikipedia shanahan and cowher's coaching records? cowher's steelers were in the playoffs 75% of the time. they won the division 50% of the time. his win/loss record is superior to shanahans. he has more recent success than shanahan. his team played in a division very similar to our own. cowher's record is vastly surprior to shanahan's in every respect i can think of.

if anyone was a blind squirrel, it was shanahan - he only won 1 playoff game since elway retired. whereas his team got worse over the years, cowher's got better. shanahan's a good coach, and a great upgrade over zorn, but cowher is the superior coach. its not even debatable.[/quote]


Whatever we could hire anyone and you would find something to bitch about.

I think you make a great Cowboys fan.

If we were hiring Cowher right now you be saying Shanny was the better guy.

Go yell fire in a diffrent theater we are enjoying the movie here.

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There are a lot of people who wonder how good Cowher would have been without his staff. You don't get those same questions quite so often with Shanahan. Of course, I would think that wherever Cowher goes he would have a top notch staff. Still, some food for thought I suppose.

I'm probably more excited about Kyle Shanahan quite honestly. I think he's the real deal

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[quote=Paintrain;649752]Snyder is going to be involved in some manner, get used to it.. You can't expect him to go to Bora Bora and just check in once a year on how things are going.[/quote]

If this is a "contract meeting," then i agree. but i had just assumed it was for an "interview."

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[quote=SmootSmack;649763]There are a lot of people who wonder how good Cowher would have been without his staff. You don't get those same questions quite so often with Shanahan. Of course, I would think that wherever Cowher goes he would have a top notch staff. Still, some food for thought I suppose.

[B]I'm probably more excited about Kyle Shanahan quite honestly. I think he's the real deal[/B][/quote]

He should give us a heckuva passing offense. And if everything goes well (that's "if"), he could take over when dad retires, giving us some coaching stability for a long time.

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[quote=Lotus;649770]He should give us a heckuva passing offense. And if everything goes well (that's "if"), he could take over when dad retires, giving us some coaching stability for a long time.[/quote]

some consistancy would be nice

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[quote=mredskins;649761]Whatever we could hire anyone and you would find something to bitch about. [/quote]

nope. I had no complaints about shanahan until I knew cowher was an option. of course, as someone mentioned, its possible cowher was just using the skins - presumably to leverage a better deal elsewhere.

[quote=mredskins;649761] i think you make a great Cowboys fan. [/quote] i think youre being a bit of a jerk. calm down. everyone can express their opinions.

[quote=mredskins;649761]If we were hiring Cowher right now you be saying Shanny was the better guy. [/quote] Nope. I've been on the record here for quite a while as indicating cowher was my #1 choice. I just didnt think he was "available" to us.

[quote=mredskins;649761]Go yell fire in a diffrent theater we are enjoying the movie here.[/quote]

I'm Just saying we'd be fools to chose shanahan over cowher, all other things being equal. Cowher's the superior coach. i'm not unhappy about shanahan inofitself.

I'm not "yelling fire." I'm a homeless man who has lived on the street for the past 12 years or so who's being given either a $500,000 dollar house that could appreciate in value to $700,000 over the next 5 years or a $600,000 house that could appreciate in value to $800,000 in that same time period. i'm greatful to finally have a place to live and i'll take what i can get - but i'd rather have the better house. thats all.

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Did Shanahan bring his flamethrower to Redskins Park?

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[quote=SmootSmack;649763]There are a lot of people who wonder how good Cowher would have been without his staff. You don't get those same questions quite so often with Shanahan. Of course, I would think that wherever Cowher goes he would have a top notch staff. Still, some food for thought I suppose.

I'm probably more excited about Kyle Shanahan quite honestly. I think he's the real deal[/quote]

i've read mixed things about kyle on texans boards. some feel like you do. others say he's overrated and not that great of a coordinator himself. in either case, he'll only get better working under his father, so thats good. kyle obviously WANTS to work with his dad, so that increases the likelyhood that we'd have a good coordinator who WOULDN'T leave us to take a HC gig elsewhere. The value of this can't be overstated - look how bad the Giants D was this year without spags. we wouldn't have that problem here.

on the flip side, are there potential dangers to having a son work for his father? would other coaches on staff become disgruntled over real/percieved "special treatment" that kyle would receive? if there are problems ever develop in the family, would they affect the product on the field (or visa versa)? if Kyle ends up becoming a liability, how could shanahan fire his own son?

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[quote=diehardskin2982;649755]1. Shawne is a OLB
2. Shift Rak to a rotation with Jarmon at RE
3. Merriman has played a 3-4 if we shift to a hybrid defense

honestly in a uncapped year the washington job [B]is the most desirable [/B]job of them all because you have a owner who will bring in whoever you want uncapped resources.[/quote]

1. Merriman is not a 4-3 OLB he would be a DE in the 4-3 scheme.

2. If we keep the 4-3 then Rak can play DE or LB and Jarmon can play DE, If we change to a 3-4 then Rak is not a RE he becomes a OLB all over again. Jarmon serves no purpose in a 3-4.

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[quote=Lotus;649770]He should give us a heckuva passing offense. And if everything goes well (that's "if"), he could take over when dad retires, giving us some coaching stability for a long time.[/quote]

Gotdamn Right!!! I agree 150%

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;649780]i've read mixed things about kyle on texans boards. some feel like you do. others say he's overrated and not that great of a coordinator himself. in either case, he'll only get better working under his father, so thats good. kyle obviously WANTS to work with his dad, so that increases the likelyhood that we'd have a good coordinator who WOULDN'T leave us to take a HC gig elsewhere. The value of this can't be overstated - look how bad the Giants D was this year without spags. we wouldn't have that problem here.

on the flip side, are there potential dangers to having a son work for his father? would other coaches on staff become disgruntled over real/percieved "special treatment" that kyle would receive? if there are problems ever develop in the family, would they affect the product on the field (or visa versa)? if Kyle ends up becoming a liability, how could shanahan fire his own son?[/quote]

Doesn't matter if Kyle is that good or not! Daddy will be there to bail him out if needed.... Let's focus on years and years of having a Good GotDamn Coach!!!!

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[quote=Nomad;649792]Doesn't matter if Kyle is that good or not! Daddy will be there to bail him out if needed.... Let's focus on years and years of having a Good GotDamn Coach!!!![/quote]

having Kyle here means that, after Shanny is done in 5 or so years, we will already have a young successor in coach place. Could be nice to have him groomed by Daddy for a few seasons!

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[quote=Nomad;649792]Doesn't matter if Kyle is that good or not! Daddy will be there to bail him out if needed.... Let's focus on years and years of having a Good GotDamn Coach!!!![/quote]


He has trouble focusing on postives.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;649756]why don't you wikipedia shanahan and cowher's coaching records? cowher's steelers were in the playoffs 75% of the time. they won the division 50% of the time. his win/loss record is superior to shanahans. he has more recent success than shanahan. his team played in a division very similar to our own. cowher's record is vastly surprior to shanahan's in every respect i can think of.

if anyone was a blind squirrel, it was shanahan - he only won 1 playoff game since elway retired. whereas his team got worse over the years, cowher's got better. shanahan's a good coach, and a great upgrade over zorn, but cowher is the superior coach. its not even debatable.[/quote]

The only problem is Shanahan runs the WCO which JC has been under for the last 2 yrs. Cowher runs a Schottenheimer style offense. We basically would be definitly starting completely over most likely with terminology as well. If we stay with Shanahan the turn over would be less stressful on the players and they might adjust to it quicker since they have been already running a WCO.

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There is a report saying that Snyder is meeting with Shannahan now and Bruce will meet with him later. Sounds like bad news to have Allen out of the mix in the beginning.

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[quote=SmootSmack;649763]There are a lot of people who wonder how good Cowher would have been without his staff. You don't get those same questions quite so often with Shanahan. Of course, I would think that wherever Cowher goes he would have a top notch staff. Still, some food for thought I suppose.

[B]I'm probably more excited about Kyle Shanahan quite honestly. I think he's the real deal[/quote][/B]

Here, Here. I honestly think Kyle will turn out to be great. Plus he's young like everyone wants. M.Shanahan, I presume, will be named HC/President. Then after his 5 year deal is up maybe moves into the President roll and lets his son take over as HC. Bam. We have the young HC you all want with a fresh mind set and ideas. I don't know about anyone else but I'm excited about this idea.

I'll agree Cowher or M.Shottenheimer would have been better for our situation since I think someone with a take no BS type mentality needs to be here. But if Allen is given full control then perhaps he'll be the big bad wolf and the players will need to participate as a team or get the F*** lost.

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[quote=Gtothearry;649812]There is a report saying that Snyder is meeting with Shannahan now and Bruce will meet with him later. Sounds like bad news to have Allen out of the mix in the beginning.[/quote]

one of the earlier reports said Bruce Allen had talked to Shanahan this morning, before Redskins One took off that way. But I can't believe that today is the first communications, so it isn't like this is anything other than dotting the i's and crossing the t's on the contract language.

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[quote=Gtothearry;649812]There is a report saying that Snyder is meeting with Shannahan now and Bruce will meet with him later. Sounds like bad news to have Allen out of the mix in the beginning.[/quote]

Allen and Shahanan have been speaking for days (if not weeks) and spoke extensively this morning. Nothing to get worked up over.

I know that for jobs I've had I've always interviewed with my direct supervisor and the head of the department/company separately and then together.

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why not bring in Rob Ryan as DC

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[quote=mredskins;649799]He has trouble focusing on postives.[/quote]

Said [url=http://www.thewarpath.net/649324-post5.html]this guy[/url]