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[quote=Gmanc711;759266]Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not putting this all on Shannahan, or saying he should be fired or anything like that... although I am not so sure about Haslett.... but I'm just saying. Coming off of a bye, this is really dissapointing.[/quote]

The Eagles are a better team. I have no idea why so many people thought we could beat them w/ Vick. Did anyone watch the Detroit game? Or Chicago? I honestly saw this coming, but not this bad of a beat down.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;759261]We should bring in Jim zorn to coach our defense. He couldn't be worse than haslett, who proved tonight he was as bad a defensive coordinator as we all thought when Shanahan hired him.[/quote]Hey look, Haslett oversaw a defense that couldn't get a lick of pressure on Vick. It led to a record setting day for the Eagles and an embarrassment for the Redskins.

I don't really know what could have been done to fix that. Send more guys maybe? Blitzing in a rainstorm almost never works unless you can get a free rusher.

That was the difference in the game. They blitzed and got free rushers, we were blocked all night. Kyle should have max protected and let McNabb go down the field and made it a shootout. Because Vick was going to torch us once the rain started regardless of scheme.

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Trent Dilfer just talked about Vick like he just saw Jesus. LOL.

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Ugly loss. This is why you need to put away teams like Houston and Detroit when you have them beat. Season is absolutely not over but Skins have some work to do

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Good night guys!

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We got pressure on Vick 5 times in this game. He was 0-for-4 passing on those plays, with a 13 yard scramble.

We didn't get pressure on Vick...a lot of times. He was, uh, really, really effective on those plays.

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Wrong.....Seasons over!

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[quote=Gmanc711;759266]Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not putting this all on Shannahan, or saying he should be fired or anything like that... although I am not so sure about Haslett.... but I'm just saying. Coming off of a bye, this is really dissapointing.[/quote]

Everyone should be held accountable, from Vinny and Snyder for mortgaging the future by trading away picks and signing over paid FA to Shanahan for switching to a 3-4 when the 4-3 was just fine and hiring Haslett. The only way this team will succeed again is by letting people like Galloway go, promoting Austin, IR Portis, promote Davis for now. Cut all the old players and concentrating in the draft.

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[quote=SmootSmack;759245]He's just keeping it real bro. We are so fortunate he's here to set us straight[/quote]

I'm not here to set anybody straight, but I will call it like I see it. Yes I will keep it real whether it hurts or not. Tonight it hurts like hell. I hope I never feel a sting this painful ever again.

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[quote=tomo366;759277]Wrong.....Seasons over![/quote]

Only for quitters

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[quote=GTripp0012;759276]We got pressure on Vick 5 times in this game. He was 0-for-4 passing on those plays, with a 13 yard scramble.

We didn't get pressure on Vick...a lot of times. He was, uh, really, really effective on those plays.[/quote]

Tripp you keep mentioning the pass rush but we don't really have any pass rushers outside of Orakpo and sometimes AH. Do you suggest Haslett start going blitz happy and let Macklin and Jackson run loose? Sometimes you just have to tip your cap to the other team. They were just better in all phases.

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Hey we have the best divisional record still.LOL Game started bad and went down hill. Our D & O are ranked at the bottom for a reason and it showed tonight. They scored so quick we did not have any chances for any trunovers which is the only thing saving us all season. I'll probably stick to the parking lot for a few days as this site will be fire everyone thread after another. I will say I was impressed with how the players did not give up.

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[quote=tomo366;759277]Wrong.....Seasons over![/quote]

As far as playoffs are concerned.

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[quote=SmootSmack;759274]Ugly loss. This is why you need to put away teams like Houston and Detroit when you have them beat. Season is absolutely not over but Skins have some work to do[/quote]

At what point did the Redskins have the Lions beat? We never led by more than 6 and we were a Brandon Banks kickoff return from being demolished in that game as well.

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[quote=SmootSmack;759280]Only for quitters[/quote]

Well the team sure look like they quit today. But, I still think the Pats game (a.k.a. How Darth Hoody ran up the score one us) was worst.

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[quote=Ruhskins;759287]Well the team sure look like they quit today. But, I still think the Pats game (a.k.a. How Darth Hoody ran up the score one us) was worst.[/quote]

I was actually impress that they did not give up tonight.

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[quote=firstdown;759290]I was actually impress that they did not give up tonight.[/quote]

Agreed, they seemed to only give up in the first half and the defense in general. Once again, I think the Pats game was worst, at least they put up 28 points this time.

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[quote=firstdown;759290]I was actually impress that they did not give up tonight.[/quote]

Yes. that game was worse.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;759285]At what point did the Redskins have the Lions beat? We never led by more than 6 and we were a Brandon Banks kickoff return from being demolished in that game as well.[/quote]

We should have been smarter with the football with the lead and the ball with under 5 minutes to go.

What do you mean we were a Banks return from being demolished in that game? We were down by one point before that TD

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[quote=skinsfan69;759281]Tripp you keep mentioning the pass rush but we don't really have any pass rushers outside of Orakpo and sometimes AH. Do you suggest Haslett start going blitz happy and let Macklin and Jackson run loose? Sometimes you just have to tip your cap to the other team. They were just better in all phases.[/quote]No, that's my point here. More blitzers might have been necessary in the course of the game, as you can't just decide to not get to the quarterback, but the field was slick and two years ago I lambasted Blache for not adjusting his gameplan to the conditions. I think Haslett was at least mindful of that, though he was never going to win with no pressure.

I do tip my cap to the Eagles. We needed to do something -- anything -- differently to make Vick's job more difficult, and we didn't. It was easy for him. Too many weapons, too much time, and near-flawless execution.

I thought other than that, we did enough to win. Just enough offense, dominant special teams. Just couldn't stop anybody. I agree with you completely. Less poor play by the Redskins and more great play by the Eagles.

I do think we needed to make obvious changes at the bye week which for whatever reason we never did (Galloway and McIntosh were active, for example).

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[quote=GTripp0012;759276]We got pressure on Vick 5 times in this game. He was 0-for-4 passing on those plays, with a 13 yard scramble.

We didn't get pressure on Vick...a lot of times. He was, uh, really, really effective on those plays.[/quote]This is a matter a fact post, not a criticism of the Redskins.

Vick wasn't good in this game when he was under duress. He was excellent when he wasn't.

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[quote=GTripp0012;759296]This is a matter a fact post, not a criticism of the Redskins.

Vick wasn't good in this game when he was under duress. He was excellent when he wasn't.[/quote]

The other thing is, if they are not blitzing at least put a spy to contain Vick at all times like Gibbs did with Cunningham. Tonight they put Landry a few times, not all the time and he made them pay with no adjustments.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;759298]The other thing is, if they are not blitzing at least put a spy to contain Vick at all times like Gibbs did with Cunningham. Tonight they put Landry a few times, not all the time and he made them pay with no adjustments.[/quote]The spy doesn't much matter if he doesn't have footing and can't predict where Vick is going to go. He's just a missed tackle waiting to happen.

You had to get him in the backfield. It was the only time you were going to have a chance.

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We are just making dumb moves in the FO, and that was t he basis of my early rant. We do things half assed or backwards, and on top of that just have bad luck to top it off. We get a 6 time Pro Bowl QB, but put him behind a terrible O line, with a crappy WR corp. The $78 million extenstion is a huge waste of $$$$$$ because of these facts. We might get a Wildcard spot at some point with Donovan, but I think you can forget even a divisional crown. By the time we get a proper line in place DM will start to morph into Brunell. Don't get me going on the D. IF we get Eli on one of his "on" days the Gmen will get 40+ on us. Although AA is coming on as a threat, Moss is starting toward the downward slope of his production, and will probably be decent for 2 more seasons, if that. The rest of the guys are just bums. Austin should have been given a shot. Not giving the kid a shot sort of negates the reason for drafting him in the first place, and a linemen should have been drafted in his place. We were hoping the bringing in of Allen as GM would have solved at least some of the boneheadedness of the FO, but the demons still need to be exorcised from Redskins Park I guess. So far in 2010 the only bright spots are Banks, AA, and K Williams. Donovan is a better QB than JC, but his stats sure aren't really showing it thus far. We might have to wait for 2012 til we get a winner, and that is if we are able to retain anybody on defense worth retaining.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;759298]The other thing is, if they are not blitzing at least put a spy to contain Vick at all times like Gibbs did with Cunningham. Tonight they put Landry a few times, not all the time and he made them pay with no adjustments.[/quote]

Only problem is, that's one guy you're taking away from coverage. Last time I checked, Vick threw for 4 TD passes.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;759314]Only problem is, that's one guy you're taking away from coverage. Last time I checked, Vick threw for 4 TD passes.[/quote]

Rotate different players, Gibbs regime was successful.

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Great article, like i said the pre-game fight fired up the opponent:

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/16/AR2010111600023.html]Thomas Boswell - Redskins-Eagles pregame scuffle only fired up Philadelphia and exposed Washington[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;759317]Rotate different players, Gibbs regime was successful.[/quote]

Rotate who? Our fastest secondary players(Hall, Landry, Rogers)? No one in our front 7 is fast enough.

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Landry should be benched for the pregame fight. That would be the right message to send after this game.

There are still 10-12 vets that need to be cut from this team. I still think we can win 7 games this year but we need honestly need to play our younger players sooner than later to determine whether they are worth keeping or not...

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[quote=NYCSkin;759329]Landry should be benched for the pregame fight. That would be the right message to send after this game.

There are still 10-12 vets that need to be cut from this team. I still think we can win 7 games this year but we need [B]honestly need to play our younger players sooner than later to determine whether they are worth keeping or not[/B]...[/quote]

Seriously?

We are two games out, 2-1 in the diivision and haven't even played the Giants yet. Why pack it in already?

In some ways I think this game is exactly what the doctor ordered...I'm not happy about it, but maybe, just maybe this embarrasment at home on national television will be used to light a fire under all Asses that need lit up...

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Shanahan and Allen both are a joke.

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[quote=warpaint;758507]This can be the start of our playoff run 3-0 in the East. Man-O-Man. HTTR![/quote]

Ilove reading early game day posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[quote=diehard;759352]Shanahan and Allen both are a joke.[/quote]

We should fire them and start over. yea.

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[quote=Bushead;759364]We should fire them and start over. yea.[/quote]Well, they've built a bad team.

I'm not advocating for the firing of either, as I don't believe that firing Shanahan after one season could possibly lead to a better coach than Shanahan, nor do a believe that one offseason is enough to evaluate Bruce Allen.

I do think Shanahan was a poor hire at this point in his career. I thought that at the time we did it, and I thought it was a disastrous decision to let him hire his son as offensive coordinator. Who thought that could possibly work? His record with defensive coaches is...not good, though I think he brought some decent coaches in with him on his staff (McCardell, Spanos).

But I also believe you shouldn't compound a bad hiring with a worse firing. I think Shanahan needs to be accountable for what has gone wrong here that he had control over (the offense), and that he should have one more year to fix it. If we struggle again next year (or 2012, whenever we play football next), I think a termination is justified.

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We are not as good as we thought. We need to clean house on players and start the youth movement here in Washington.

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I don't believe there was anybody else better for the coaching position that were interested in coaching the Redskins. By that, I would say hiring Shanahan was the best thing Snyder and Allen could have done for this team. The biggest problem is, this team somehow needs to find a way to reverse the mentality of free agency first, draft picks last. The teams needs to learn to build through the draft and look at the offensive and defensive lines FIRST! You can't build a great team without being solid in the trenches.

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[quote=skinsguy;759408]I don't believe there was anybody else better for the coaching position that were interested in coaching the Redskins. By that, I would say hiring Shanahan was the best thing Snyder and Allen could have done for this team. The biggest problem is, [B]this team somehow needs to find a way to reverse the mentality of free agency first, draft picks last.[/B] The teams needs to learn to build through the draft and look at the offensive and defensive lines FIRST! You can't build a great team without being solid in the trenches.[/quote]

My main concern w/the hiring of Shan was this; Denver was one of the only teams that rivaled the fa spending of the Skins when he was there. His hiring, along w/Allen, was billed as a big change, but so far we have seen more of the same. To be fair, Allen has made some good deals & has shown more fiscal discipline, which was much needed. Still, valuable draft picks have been given up.

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With the McNabb signing, amidst other things here in Washington, it seems like the Ghost of Vinny Cerrato still haunts the halls of Fedex Field.

This team is NO DIFFERENT than least season.

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[quote=freddyg12;759411]My main concern w/the hiring of Shan was this; Denver was one of the only teams that rivaled the fa spending of the Skins when he was there. His hiring, along w/Allen, was billed as a big change, but so far we have seen more of the same. To be fair, Allen has made some good deals & has shown more fiscal discipline, which was much needed. Still, valuable draft picks have been given up.[/quote]

I'm afraid, however, that IF the FO is serious about making a philosophical change with the way they build teams, it is going to take several seasons to build up the amount of draft picks this team needs in order to successfully build through the draft. Each year they seem to not have enough draft picks to really build this team into a talented, young team. I think they are forever caught between having to show some progress right away (whether if that is the fault of us fans or the owner,) and trying to draft top notch players with the few picks they get each year.

Unfortunately, what usually happens is, you don't get better any sooner and you then have to wind up bringing in new replacements to replace the original stop gaps. It's a never ending viscous cycle.

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One thing I want to say that I believe is on everyones mind,but maybe hasn't been said in depth.

I know every team is different and not every coach has an honor system or code and that's fine. But I have a real problem with the way the coaching staff and Andy handled the game last night.

If you want to play your QB all 4 qtrs with the exception of the 2 minute 4th qtr warning with a 31 pt lead or more...that's fine. I have no problem with that...But when your throwing the ball around with that kind of lead with your starting QB..I do have a problem with that.

I sure don't and wouldn't expect them to pull Vick at halftime or anything that crazy,with the way we've seen great comebacks. That's actually stupid to do in this day and age and passing league.

But they couldn't pull Vick with they had a 38 pt lead in the middle of the 3rd qtr? I think they were up 52-14 at one point in the middle of the 3rd qtr..and they were still throwing the ball around like they were losing...

I'm not condemning the Eagles for playing Vick the whole game,although I would have pulled my QB at this time. Specially with a quality backup like Kolb that they have.

But why continue throwing the ball like that...Even the redskins were running the ball with Williams a lot and he was able to score,but we weren't on-side kicking the ball or even going for 2 point conversions to try to narrow the lead.

I realize I'm whining here and part of it,is the humble pie the team had on Monday Night,but I think Andy could have handled that situation a bit better.

i have no doubt that Gibb,Zorn or Shanahan would have pulled Mcnabb with that kind of lead at least by the time the 4th qtr started.

It's a sign of respect and an unwritten code and honor,that I have lived by as a player and coach all my life.

It's too bad Andy didn't get that memo...

having said that...If we somehow get a another shot at them in Playoffs or even when we play next season. I hope Shanahan remembers this and gives them a taste of their own medicine...

But the fact is..Shanahan is old school and did get the memo and I would be surprised,if he left Mcnabb in the game with a 38 pt lead late in the 3rd qtr.

That's all I got to say about that...