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[quote=SmootSmack;876800]Also Colt McCoy, Jimmy Clausen, and Vince Young[/quote]


[quote=NC_Skins;876801]It's like digging through the trash can trying to find quality meal.[/quote]

Metal is valuable. I liken it more to along the lines of a hobo trying to find a cigarette butt that hasn't been smoked all the way. :Smoker:

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[url=http://nflsfuture.com/2012/01/17/2012-nfl-mock-draft-the-finalized-underclassmen-edition/]NFL's Future » Blog Archive 2012 NFL Mock Draft: The finalized underclassmen edition[/url]

He does have Kendall Wright going 7th but DHB went 7th so.

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[url]www.redskinsfansdream.com/mock2012[/url]

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;876857][url=http://nflsfuture.com/2012/01/17/2012-nfl-mock-draft-the-finalized-underclassmen-edition/]NFL's Future » Blog Archive 2012 NFL Mock Draft: The finalized underclassmen edition[/url]

He does have Kendall Wright going 7th but DHB went 7th so.[/quote]

I picture it being a 1st and 2nd this draft and 1st next year. If it was only a 1st and two 2nds, I would be very surprised since Cleveland is sitting on some better draft picks.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;876851]Good point Smoot but I just saw a website that had us giving up the #6 pick the #39 pick and a 2013 2nd rounder to move up and take RGIII. If we pull that off I would be estatic.[/quote]

I guess I could live with that. What is it...this years 1st, 2nd, and next yrs 2nd rounders? The question is will it be enough? Miami could out bid to try for RGIII. The Browns I'm not counting out. I mean if he's "the man" as most of you say, a franchise QB why would the Browns pass on trying to fix their QB situation for yrs to come?

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[quote=SBXVII;876867]I guess I could live with that. What is it...this years 1st, 2nd, and next yrs 2nd rounders? The question is will it be enough? Miami could out bid to try for RGIII. The Browns I'm not counting out. I mean if he's "the man" as most of you say, a franchise QB why would the Browns pass on trying to fix their QB situation for yrs to come?[/quote]

The Browns should be in the driver's seat for the #2 pick if they want it. #4 and #22 works out by the proverbial draft value chart and would seem a very attractive offer for St. Louis. They only have to drop two spots, would probably still get the guy the want (unless that guy is Kahlil) and then get another starter at pick #22. That said, those high 2nds are very valuable commodities, so if the Browns aren't interested then they might be willing to deal. I'm sure StL would hold out for next year's 1st and use the threat of a Cleveland trade (real or not) as leverage. If we're just going by the chart, and assuming a pick a year from now is discounted by a round, then that is the cost to do business, which seems high, but I'm increasingly of the opinion that you should just do what it takes to get a QB assuming he's the right guy (which no one actually has any way of knowing). For that price I'd rather just do what it takes to get Luck, though that might be a complete impossibility.

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[quote=SmootSmack;876850]Clearly what's going to happen is...

Manning will convince the Colts that they need to draft Blackmon after they lose Garcon and Wayne in FA

The Rams, already set at QB, will shore up their offensive line with Matt Kalil

The Vikings will forgot to turn in their pick and will not draft anyone at 3

The Browns will take RG3

The Bucs facing Cam Newton, Drew Brees, and Matt Ryan 6 times a year will lock up Morris Claiborne as Aqib Talib leaves for Tennessee and Ronde Barber retires

The Redskins take Andrew Luck at #6!!!!![/quote]



lol...I'll miss Ronde.

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[quote=SmootSmack;876771]I don't think I'd label RG3 a "running QB" but I do think the gap between him and Luck is greater than others do[/quote]


I think people (and possibly some scouts?) probably think that RGIII's ceiling or potential is higher than Luck's. I hate to use this example but it comes down to that Manning vs Leaf debate back in '98. I hate to use this example because of how horrible Leaf's tenure in the NFL went, but he did have the bigger ceiling and potential to be even a better QB than Peyton. It's just too bad he didn't have the drive, determination, and competitive spirit that Peyton possessed.

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[quote=SmootSmack;876850]Clearly what's going to happen is...

Manning will convince the Colts that they need to draft Blackmon after they lose Garcon and Wayne in FA

The Rams, already set at QB, will shore up their offensive line with Matt Kalil

The Vikings will forgot to turn in their pick and will not draft anyone at 3

The Browns will take RG3

The Bucs facing Cam Newton, Drew Brees, and Matt Ryan 6 times a year will lock up Morris Claiborne as Aqib Talib leaves for Tennessee and Ronde Barber retires

The Redskins take Andrew Luck at #6!!!!![/quote]

Puff puff pass.
:cool-smil

LOL!

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I find the differing perceptions between Colt McCoy and Sam Bradford interesting.

Other then McCoy playing in a much more difficult division their career production this far has been similar if not identical.

Yet everyone in this forum (and beyond) seems convinced that the Browns want to use the 6th pick or move up to replace him.
Yet very few or none seem to think that Rams sitting at No.2 will replace Bradford.

Must be good to be perceived as a franchise QB.

[QUOTE=30gut;876931]I find the differing perceptions between Colt McCoy and Sam Bradford interesting.

Other then McCoy playing in a much more difficult division their career production this far has been similar if not identical.

Yet everyone in this forum (and beyond) seems convinced that the Browns want to use the 6th pick or move up to replace him.
Yet very few or none seem to think that Rams sitting at No.2 will replace Bradford.

Must be good to be perceived as a franchise QB.[/QUOTE]

I agree and both have horrible support around them

#Hail to the Redskins

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[quote=Ruhskins;876916]Puff puff pass.
:cool-smil

LOL![/quote]

More than two puffs me thinks....

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[quote=30gut;876931]I find the differing perceptions between Colt McCoy and Sam Bradford interesting.

Other then McCoy playing in a much more difficult division their career production this far has been similar if not identical.

Yet everyone in this forum (and beyond) seems convinced that the Browns want to use the 6th pick or move up to replace him.
Yet very few or none seem to think that Rams sitting at No.2 will replace Bradford.

Must be good to be perceived as a franchise QB.[/quote]Preach.

The only way I don't think RG3 is going to be there at third overall is if the Rams are willing to take him (and start him) at no. 2 overall.

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[quote=30gut;876931]I find the differing perceptions between Colt McCoy and Sam Bradford interesting.

Other then McCoy playing in a much more difficult division their career production this far has been similar if not identical.

Yet everyone in this forum (and beyond) seems convinced that the Browns want to use the 6th pick or move up to replace him.
Yet very few or none seem to think that Rams sitting at No.2 will replace Bradford.

Must be good to be perceived as a franchise QB.[/quote]

Perception is everything.

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[quote=30gut;876931]I find the differing perceptions between Colt McCoy and Sam Bradford interesting.

Other then McCoy playing in a much more difficult division their career production this far has been similar if not identical.

Yet everyone in this forum (and beyond) seems convinced that the Browns want to use the 6th pick or move up to replace him.
Yet very few or none seem to think that Rams sitting at No.2 will replace Bradford.

Must be good to be perceived as a franchise QB.[/quote]

Prove your point statistical becasue I beleive Bradford has been a much better QB to date then McCoy.

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Im all for getting RGIII, but if a trade up to get him was TOO expensive, another plan could be morris claiborne with in the first round pick and possibly nick foles with the second round pick. Then add OL depth WR, and ILB. Thatd be awesome.

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[quote=mredskins;877014]Prove your point statistical becasue I beleive Bradford has been a much better QB to date then McCoy.[/quote]

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13197/sam-bradford]Sam Bradford Stats - St. Louis Rams - ESPN[/url]

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13199/colt-mccoy]Colt McCoy Stats - Cleveland Browns - ESPN[/url]


One was paid close to 30 million for those two years, the other one a ham sandwich and a bag of chips.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;877017][url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13197/sam-bradford]Sam Bradford Stats - St. Louis Rams - ESPN[/url]

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13199/colt-mccoy]Colt McCoy Stats - Cleveland Browns - ESPN[/url]


One was paid close to 30 million for those two years, the other one a ham sandwich and a bag of chips.[/QUOTE]

That's an expensive sandwich and chips.

#HTTR

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[quote=skinsfaninok;877019]That's an expensive sandwich and chips.

#HTTR[/quote]



Compared to about 30 mil? Not really. McCoy is averaging a little over 1 mil.

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[quote=NC_Skins;877017][URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13197/sam-bradford"]Sam Bradford Stats - St. Louis Rams - ESPN[/URL]

[URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13199/colt-mccoy"]Colt McCoy Stats - Cleveland Browns - ESPN[/URL]


One was paid close to 30 million for those two years, the other one a ham sandwich and a bag of chips.[/quote]


Wow they really are pretty close. McCoy with the rush title.

thanks!

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[quote=mredskins;877014]Prove your point statistical becasue I beleive Bradford has been a much better QB to date then McCoy.[/quote]I'm kinda lazy and the stats are out there at your finger tips but:

Going back to their rookie seasons:

Sam Bradfrod (1) Rams
16 games- 60.0comp% 18tds-15ints/ 6.0 YPA/ 76.5 QBR/ 63 rsh-1 TD 22.2% rsh for 1st down
Rookie of the year

Colt McCoy (3) Browns
8 games- 60.6comp% 6tds-9ints/ 7.1 YPA/ 74.5 QBR/ 136 rsh-1 TD 35.7% rsh for 1st down

Football Outsiders advanced metrics: [url=http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb2010]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | QUARTERBACKS 2010[/url]
Bradford DYAR 34/DVOA 34
McCoy DYAR 27/DVOA 25

ESPN Total QBR: [url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr/_/year/20.../player-season]NFL Total Quarterback Rating - National Football League - ESPN[/url]
Bradford rank 24th QBR: 40.1
McCoy rank 18th QBR: 46.2

2011:
Sam Bradford 53.5% 2164 6 TD 6 INT 70.5 rating
DYAR 42/DVOA 43
ESPN QBR 27.3 ranked 31st

Colt McCoy 57.2% 2711 14 TD 11 INT 74.6 rating
DYAR 30/DVOA 30
ESPN QBR 39.8 ranked 25th

Career:
Sam Bradford
57.6 5676 24 TD 21 INT 6.0 YPA 74.2 rating
Colt McCoy
58.4 4309 20 TD 20 INT 6.3 YPA 74.5 rating

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[quote=30gut;877046]I'm kinda lazy and the stats are out there at your finger tips but:

Going back to their rookie seasons:

Sam Bradfrod (1) Rams
16 games- 60.0comp% 18tds-15ints/ 6.0 YPA/ 76.5 QBR/ 63 rsh-1 TD 22.2% rsh for 1st down
Rookie of the year

Colt McCoy (3) Browns
8 games- 60.6comp% 6tds-9ints/ 7.1 YPA/ 74.5 QBR/ 136 rsh-1 TD 35.7% rsh for 1st down

Football Outsiders advanced metrics: [URL="http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb2010"]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | QUARTERBACKS 2010[/URL]
Bradford DYAR 34/DVOA 34
McCoy DYAR 27/DVOA 25

ESPN Total QBR: [URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr/_/year/20.../player-season"]NFL Total Quarterback Rating - National Football League - ESPN[/URL]
Bradford rank 24th QBR: 40.1
McCoy rank 18th QBR: 46.2[/quote]

All ready answered above by NC but thanks.

They are amazingly close.

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[quote=mredskins;877047]All ready answered above by NC but thanks.

They are amazingly close.[/quote]No worries although I am quite lazy I like to be thorough.

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[quote=30gut;877049]No worries although I am quite lazy I like to be thorough.[/quote]

Lazy and thorough. Interesting...

Thoroughly lazy? Or lazy with thoroughness?

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30gut might be the reincarnation of Albert Einstein. He is clearly a genius.

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According to Redskins president of operations Dennis Greene, the Redskins new QB has been chosen, and "fans will be elated." Huh...

[URL="http://www.washingtonian.com/blogarticles/people/capitalcomment/22403.html"]Heard at Lunch: The Redskins Have Chosen a New Quarterback - Capital Comment Blog (washingtonian.com)[/URL]

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[quote=GMScud;877143]According to Redskins president of operations Dennis Greene, the Redskins new QB has been chosen, and "fans will be elated." Huh...

[URL="http://www.washingtonian.com/blogarticles/people/capitalcomment/22403.html"]Heard at Lunch: The Redskins Have Chosen a New Quarterback - Capital Comment Blog (washingtonian.com)[/URL][/quote]

Is it Superman??

Joe theisman is back

#HTTR

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;877148]Is it Superman??[/quote]

No. But he lives in Mississippi and wears Wranglers.

[QUOTE=SkinzWin;877156]No. But he lives in Mississippi and wears Wranglers.[/QUOTE]

Lotus?

#HTTR

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[quote=skinsfaninok;877157]Lotus?

#HTTR[/quote]

:lol: :nono: :laughing2

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I think that Manning should go to the Dolphins. They should hire Caldwell pick up Reggie Wayne. With that young defense they could make a run.

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[quote=GMScud;877143]According to Redskins president of operations Dennis Greene, the Redskins new QB has been chosen, and "fans will be elated." Huh...

[URL="http://www.washingtonian.com/blogarticles/people/capitalcomment/22403.html"]Heard at Lunch: The Redskins Have Chosen a New Quarterback - Capital Comment Blog (washingtonian.com)[/URL][/quote]

its RG3

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[quote=bsteinel;877193]RG3 would take a few years to develop. Manning would make the Skins instant contenders.[/quote]

Why would RGIII take a few years to develop

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[quote=bsteinel;877193]RG3 would take a few years to develop. Manning would make the Skins instant contenders.[/quote]

Uh, no. Not for his talent level and no, because of what has to be given up to get him.

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[quote=bsteinel;877205]If you think RG3 will come in next year and put us in the playoffs you're crazy..[/quote]

Did I say that? I said it won't take him a few years to develop. Shoot with the way the NFC East was this year with decent QB play we would have won it.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;877200]Why would RGIII take a few years to develop[/quote]

If you're talking about a guy that can win playoff games and lead the team to a Super Bowl then yes it will take him a few years to develop. If you're talking about a guy that can contribute heavily in winning games the team wouldn't otherwise win and improving the production on offense then I say the developmental time would be minimal.

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[quote=GMScud;877143]According to Redskins president of operations Dennis Greene, the Redskins new QB has been chosen, and "fans will be elated." Huh...

[URL="http://www.washingtonian.com/blogarticles/people/capitalcomment/22403.html"]Heard at Lunch: The Redskins Have Chosen a New Quarterback - Capital Comment Blog (washingtonian.com)[/URL][/quote]

I think we'll be lucky to get the QB he was supposedly talking about.

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^ no name, gee thanks... lol

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[quote=Dirtbag59;877212]If you're talking about a guy that can win playoff games and lead the team to a Super Bowl then yes it will take him a few years to develop. If you're talking about a guy that can contribute heavily in winning games the team wouldn't otherwise win and improving the production on offense then I say the developmental time would be minimal.[/quote]

I'm talking about a guy who will deliver my pizza on time instead of halfway through the 2nd qtr after telling me it would take 20 mins. F***ing bastard!