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You guys should have been a part of my FB status I made. Sparked some serious comments...lol My friend up up crushing this Romney supporter with his constant accusations of Obama being a socialist/marxist.


[quote][B]>> I know your grinning now because you got me, right? What about Romneycare you say? Yeah that is social health care as well. The big difference is not in either of those abominations but that while Romney is a big government guy he still believes in capitalism and this country whereas Obama believes in socialism and thinks American is bad. [/B]

There is no government in the entire world that is completely laissez-faire capitalism, except maybe Somalia because they don't have a government, and they're not exactly the picture of prosperity. This whole idea that Obama doesn't "believe" in capitalism is a sham. They are both about the same degree of capitalists, Romney just argues whatever point is most politically convenient for him at the time. They both voted for the auto bailouts, they both voted for TARP, etc. The biggest trick the GOP has ever pulled has been convincing everyone that they are small-government and pro-freedom (Patriot act anyone?) Every single GOP president in the last 40 years has seen huge increases in the Federal budget and the Federal deficit - especially Reagan, whose by today's Republican standards would be too far to the left to be electable - and in fact the only President who has seen a budget surplus was Clinton, a Democrat. Obama's annualized budget increase average for his first term is 1.7%. Reagan's first term was over 8%. Yet all the Republicans talk about is how Obama is a huge spender and ruining the economy with his massive debt. But whenever they are in charge the deficit and debt are never a problem, and the government never actually gets any smaller. The only difference is that the money gets spent on the military and blowing up brown people overseas, rather than on actually helping American citizens, or heaven forbid, returning that money back to the tax payers, which is what they always talk about doing.

No offense man, but all of your arguments are almost cut+paste Fox News sound bites which have no basis in reality. This is why I don't really bother to write huge posts like this in response to "conservatives" very often, because the right in this country has convinced people that logic and reason are liberal traits and undesired. Just trust them and vote GOP and they'll fix everything. So let me ask you, when was the last time we had a Republican president who actually did any of the things they said they were going to do?[/quote]

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I want to hear what Slingin has to say about Mitt Romney's father hanging with the radical Saul Alinsky. A man he said we ought to listen to.

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[quote=12thMan;934409]I want to hear what Slingin has to say about Mitt Romney's father hanging with the radical Saul Alinsky. A man he said we ought to listen to.[/quote]

Part of that FB status comments I spoke up, that same conservative brought up the same talking points sammy did.


[quote][B]>> to surrounding himself with the ideas of confessed Marxist\Socialists like Van Jones, Anita Dunn, Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Cass Sunstein, etc.[/B]

It doesn't matter who you surround yourself with, it ultimately matters what you do. Nixon surrounded himself with Chicago-style and conservative economists and then enacted Keynesian wage and price controls in the 70s. Case in point.[/quote]

Sounded like ownage to me.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/romney-releasing-tax-returns-would-violate-my-religious-privacy/2012/08/24/333ec2d0-edfc-11e1-afd8-097e90f99d05_blog.html]Romney: Releasing tax returns would violate my religious privacy - The Plum Line - The Washington Post[/url]


[quote]I’d add one more point here: One of those calling on Romney to release his returns happens to be ... a very prominent Mormon. As you may recall, Jon Huntsman Sr., a longtime Romney backer and fundraiser, has publicly told Romney that he needs to release his returns in order to be “square with the American people.”[/quote]

Mitt...Mitt....Mitt.. :laughing-

So Huntsman a Mormon has no issues with it religiously, but not Mittens does?...lol


My crazy conservative friend thinks Romney sucks and is still going to vote for him...lol I call him crazy because he's still harping about birther and marxists stuff.

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[quote=Giantone;934369]If it Looks like the klan,walks like the klan ...and "sounds" like the klan,.....it's probably the klan.[/quote]As I mentioned earlier, any conservative challenging Obama is labeled a racist.

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[quote=NC_Skins;934410]Part of that FB status comments I spoke up, that same conservative brought up the same talking points sammy did.




Sounded like ownage to me.[/quote]I gave specific points, policies, and executive orders that square with what I've stated. You've supported your argument with nothing more than talking points....as usual

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[quote=12thMan;934405]By the way, Mitt Romney's grandfather was born in Mexico. Nothing wrong with that, just saying this born in Kenya shit swings both ways.[/quote]I don't follow? What does Romney's grandfather being born in Mexico have to do with Obama's birth father being a anti-colonialist, far-left radical? I don't care about Obama's father being from Kenya, and I've never believed the birther crap....not sure where you're going with this.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;934443]As I mentioned earlier, any conservative challenging Obama is labeled a racist.[/quote]

Funny you mention that, but this come up recently. The clash between Chris Matthews and the RNC Chairman Reince Priebus about Romney using the race card.

[url=http://www.politicususa.com/chris-matthews-calls-rnc-chair-reince-priebus-romney-playing-race-card.html]Chris Matthews Erupts on Reince Priebus for GOP Playing the Race Card[/url]


Now, I'm not saying that Romney was playing the race card on the "birth certificate" joke, but he was playing to his crowd (who do believe that shit).


Out of this article, these last 3 paragraphs really sum it up pretty well. The GOP does play the race card indirectly when they talk about welfare and other social programs.


[quote]Chris Matthews had his moment in the sun when he called it as it is. The people loved it, the corporate media hated it and the Super Smart Pundit types played Balanced by pretending they have never heard of Southern Strategy, they missed Romney’s “Anglo Saxon” moment, they missed the entire birther movement of the last four years and Sarah Palin never existed in 2008. Racism, they gasp? How dare you!

Of course, Joe’s answer to this is the Republican stand by – their go to statement is that there is no racism because we elected a black man. To which I respond, you (Republicans) did not elect him, so how does that prove your point?

Joe is right, some of the country is not racist. But some of it is. [B][U]Republicans are not all racists, but racists are mostly Republican[/U][/B]. This is hardly an accident or a shock. Republicans have a long history of using the Southern Strategy to deliberately to stoke racial fears in order to win elections.[/quote]

I feel bad for the conservatives who aren't racists, but let's be honest. The base is full of people just like this in the video below. This white dude who's paying ZERO taxes complaining about black families getting social welfare. The irony is so rich. I laughed my ass off. You will too.

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By means am I throwing you guys into the lump with him, just making a general point about a good deal of the people that support the GOP base.

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[quote=NC_Skins;934464]Funny you mention that, but this come up recently. The clash between Chris Matthews and the RNC Chairman Reince Priebus about Romney using the race card.

Now, I'm not saying that Romney was playing the race card on the "birth certificate" joke, but he was playing to his crowd (who do believe that shit).

By means am I throwing you guys into the lump with him, just making a general point about a good deal of the people that support the GOP base.[/quote]Romney was making a joke about the birth certificate thing, which he has said is crap (as have all credible conservatives). I thought it was pretty funny and didn't see it as racist at all.

Here we go with the racist crap again, there isn't a "good deal of people" in the GOP that support racism, overt or covert. I haven't watched your video, but I'm sure it's some uneducated clown babbling some racist nonsense. There are many folks who voted for Obama because of his race, are those folks racist?

If someone is spouting racist $hit I'll call them out. What pisses me off is folks that label others racist (or directly/inderectly link someone to the klan) because they have serious policy/ideological disagreements with this POTUS.

I would say someone making a comment linking me to the klan is one of three things; an idiot, knows nothing of history, or hasn't read my posts in this thread (particularly the one where I mention being Catholic). I'll connect the dots.....anyone who knows history, knows Catholics were also targets of the klan....not a part of it.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;934463]I don't follow? What does Romney's grandfather being born in Mexico have to do with Obama's birth father being a anti-colonialist, far-left radical? I don't care about Obama's father being from Kenya, and I've never believed the birther crap....not sure where you're going with this.[/quote]

How did Obama's father influence his political views when Obama met him once when was eleven years old and never lived in Kenya?

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How could Obama, at age 11 or so, pick up an anti-colonialist, far left radical ideology. He wasn't even in High School, Sammy? Do you realize how ridiculous you sound?

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;934473]Romney was making a joke about the birth certificate thing, which he has said is crap (as have all credible conservatives). I thought it was pretty funny and didn't see it as racist at all.[/quote]

I don't think it was racist at all either. Didn't agree with Matthews on that.

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;934473]Here we go with the racist crap again, there isn't a "good deal of people" in the GOP that support racism, overt or covert. I haven't watched your video, but I'm sure it's some uneducated clown babbling some racist nonsense. There are many folks who voted for Obama because of his race, are those folks racist?[/quote]

Come on Sammy. Be real. The South is predominately red and we all know that racism is very much alive in the south. I grew up in the south, I've lived it, experienced and still do. That's not to say it only happens there because that's a load of shit. Not sure I said these people would support racism overtly or covertly. Take the people of my former church, I guarantee you they wouldn't vote for any legislation denying blacks right to vote, but they sure as hell asked me to quit the basketball team because I dated a black girl? Did they support racism overtly or covertly? No. Were they racist? You damn right they were.

Again, that's not to say the whole GOP base is racist, nor was that my implication, but there are quite a few in that base that are. To deny it is denial at its best. Actually, the video didn't display a guy babbling racist nonsense, but he was linking blacks with welfare recipients or saying they should get jobs. (even though he doesn't pay taxes himself)


[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;934473]I would say someone making a comment linking me to the klan is one of three things; an idiot, knows nothing of history, or hasn't read my posts in this thread (particularly the one where I mention being Catholic). I'll connect the dots.....anyone who knows history, knows Catholics were also targets of the klan....not a part of it.[/quote]

I haven't linked you to the Klan.

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[quote=12thMan;934474]How did Obama's father influence his political views when Obama met him once when was eleven years old and never lived in Kenya?[/quote]see the movie :)

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[quote=NC_Skins;934481]Come on Sammy. Be real. The South is predominately red and we all know that racism is very much alive in the south. I grew up in the south, I've lived it, experienced and still do. That's not to say it only happens there because that's a load of shit. Not sure I said these people would support racism overtly or covertly. Take the people of my former church, I guarantee you they wouldn't vote for any legislation denying blacks right to vote, but they sure as hell asked me to quit the basketball team because I dated a black girl? Did they support racism overtly or covertly? No. Were they racist? You damn right they were.

Again, that's not to say the whole GOP base is racist, nor was that my implication, but there are quite a few in that base that are. To deny it is denial at its best. Actually, the video didn't display a guy babbling racist nonsense, but he was linking blacks with welfare recipients or saying they should get jobs. (even though he doesn't pay taxes himself)[/quote]I've never lived in the deep south, VB is the furthest down I've lived. However I grew up just outside DC and was in the military. I've seen racism from both sides, I guess I'm a bit more optimistic that we've made greater strides.

Hearing some of your background stories puts things into perspective. It's disheartening that folks who are supposed to be part of one family under God would act how they did.

[quote]I haven't linked you to the Klan.[/quote]I know you didn't. That was a shot at Giantone, who did in an earlier post. I should've put that in a separate post but was pretty pissed about it last night and didn't think through where to post that part. Sorry about that.

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Has anyone heard Obama's plan for the economy? Me neither

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[quote=12thMan;934409]I want to hear what Slingin has to say about Mitt Romney's father hanging with the radical Saul Alinsky. A man he said we ought to listen to.[/quote]Proper context from Huff Post:

"Ironically, Mitt Romney's father George, the one-time governor of Michigan, met with Alinsky in 1967 [I][B]to ask his advice about addressing the racial turmoil following that summer's Detroit riots.[/B][/I] "I think you ought to listen to Alinsky," the liberal Republican advised his political allies (see T. George Harris' [I]Romney's Way[/I], 1968). [I][B]"It seems to me that we are always talking to the same people. Maybe the time has come to hear new voices."[/B][/I] When this anecdote surfaced earlier this year on the right-wing blogosphere, conspiracy-minded extremists used it as evidence that Mitt Romney had also, like Obama, been infected by Alinsky's influence."

George Romney, who supported the Civil Rights movement, consulting with Alinsky, who was deeply involved in fueling civil unrest, to find a peaceful solution to race riots in Detroit in the late '60s far from makes Mitt Romney a far-left radical or Alinsky supporter. Nor does it change Alinsky's far-left ideology.

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Alinsky was a genius

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;934519]Proper context from Huff Post:

"Ironically, Mitt Romney's father George, the one-time governor of Michigan, met with Alinsky in 1967 [I][B]to ask his advice about addressing the racial turmoil following that summer's Detroit riots.[/B][/I] "I think you ought to listen to Alinsky," the liberal Republican advised his political allies (see T. George Harris' [I]Romney's Way[/I], 1968). [I][B]"It seems to me that we are always talking to the same people. Maybe the time has come to hear new voices."[/B][/I] When this anecdote surfaced earlier this year on the right-wing blogosphere, conspiracy-minded extremists used it as evidence that Mitt Romney had also, like Obama, been infected by Alinsky's influence."

George Romney, who supported the Civil Rights movement, consulting with Alinsky, who was deeply involved in fueling civil unrest, to find a peaceful solution to race riots in Detroit in the late '60s far from makes Mitt Romney a far-left radical or Alinsky supporter. Nor does it change Alinsky's far-left ideology.[/quote]

So it sounds like, correct me if I'm wrong, George Romney who met and embraced Saul Alinsky and his Mitt Romney weren't "infected by Alinksy", but Obama who never met the man, was a child when he died, was influenced by this so called radical ideology? Mmm..okay

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Classic guilt by association. President Obama never mentioned Alinksy in either of his memoirs, but te SlinginSammy has concluded, along with some on the right, that this man Alinsky is a boogeyman. I would think if this guy was such an influence he'd at least give him a quick shout out in one of his books.

As with all conspiracy theories, the Alinsky-Obama link rests on a kernel of truth. For three years in the mid-1980s, Obama worked for the Developing Communities Project, a group on Chicago’s South Side whose tactics — meeting with displaced steelworkers and marginalized public housing residents — were inspired by Alinsky. So radical.

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I think what SS3 and the folks he pals around with are saying is that talking to Alinksy can infect your thinking process. It is best to say away from people with a strong jedi force because they can trick you and manipulate you.


...also it can be mathematically proven that the associations of Romney are not reflexive while that of Obama are.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;933264]There are no job killing regulations. I was wrong and I appologize. I will withdrawal my support for Romney.

Sorry it's just that no one ever says anything like that in these threads. In all seriousness you will see in the near future how badly cap and trade fails in California. On top of that lets not forget about the Transport Rule that was recently struck down citing that the EPA had overextended itself. Keep in mind that the more and more specialized equipment and limits the EPA requires and imposes raises the cost of doing business. We are competing in a global market place.

We don't need to force every 2010 truck and newer to use $4 a gallon DEF fluid to burn slightly cleaner fumes. If global warming is nearly the problem the EPA says it is then that will barely make a dent with these nickle and dime policies. Or forcing trucks to add "freon recovery units" that stop freon from going into the atmosphere at a cost of $3,000 per truck.

Or lets not forget the EPA forcing trucks to use more and more refined diesel with lower sulfer content in an economy that already has gas prices that are to high.

These are the things I deal with on a daily basis whose cost gets passed on to you the final consumer in virtually all the tangible goods you purchase. And to clarify I am not a truck driver nor am I a dispatcher.[/quote]

You haven't put too much thought into what you wrote. Like why it's good to regulate [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas"]freon (CFC-12)[/URL], the fact that in economics the labor market is a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_sum_game#Economics"]non-zero-sum game[/URL], the idea that a sitting president is interested in destroying the economy, the notion that nickel and diming [URL="http://www.bts.gov/publications/transportation_statistics_annual_report/2010/html/chapter_02/table_02_06.html"]doesn't ad up[/URL].


..do you.

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[quote=Chico23231;934516]Has anyone heard Obama's plan for the economy? Me neither[/quote]

He also has not passed a budget in three years. The man does not know how to lead he only bitches and moans about what the right is or is not doing. That's true leadership skills.

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[quote=firstdown;934792]He also has not passed a budget in three years. The man does not know how to lead he only bitches and moans about what the right is or is not doing. That's true leadership skills.[/quote]

Wrong answer. Presidents submit budgets, Congress passes budgets. Obama has submitted a budget every year, Congress passed the first one in April/2009.

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[quote=Chico23231;934516]Has anyone heard Obama's plan for the economy? Me neither[/quote]

He's only been calling on Congress to pass the American Jobs Act for over a year now. And he actually did speak at length about this during is State of The Union address.

[url=http://articles.cnn.com/2011-09-08/politics/obama.jobs.plan_1_president-obama-deficit-reduction-political-circus?_s=PM:POLITICS]Obama calls on Congress to quickly pass his 'American Jobs Act' - CNN[/url]

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[quote=12thMan;934811]Wrong answer. Presidents submit budgets, Congress passes budgets. Obama has submitted a budget every year, Congress passed the first one in April/2009.[/quote]


I thought the president's job was to created a budget, propose it to congress, pass it through the house, pass it through the senate, mediate the house and senate conference, and finally sign it.


...still, the US is still running without a budget...pretty amazing huh?

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[quote=12thMan;934701]Classic guilt by association. President Obama never mentioned Alinksy in either of his memoirs, but te SlinginSammy has concluded, along with some on the right, that this man Alinsky is a boogeyman. I would think if this guy was such an influence he'd at least give him a quick shout out in one of his books. [/quote]or maybe write a chapter for the book “After Alinsky: Community Organizing in Illinois,”

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/After-Alinsky-Community-Organizing-Illinois/dp/0962087335/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1220587431&sr=1-1"]Amazon.com: After Alinsky: Community Organizing in Illinois (9780962087332): Peg Knoepfle: Books[/ame]

[quote]As with all conspiracy theories, the Alinsky-Obama link rests on a kernel of truth. For three years in the mid-1980s, Obama worked for the Developing Communities Project, a group on Chicago’s South Side whose tactics — meeting with displaced steelworkers and marginalized public housing residents — were inspired by Alinsky. So radical.[/quote]
- Obama first learned Alinsky’s rules in the 1980s, when Alinskyite radicals with the Chicago-based Alinsky group Gamaliel Foundation recruited, hired, trained and paid him as a community organizer in South Side Chicago. (Gamaliel’s website expressly states it grew out of the Alinsky movement.)
• Gamaliel board member John McKnight, a hard-core student of Alinsky, penned a letter for Obama to help him get into Harvard Law School.
• Obama took a break from his Harvard studies to travel to Los Angeles for eight days of intense training at Alinsky’s Industrial Areas Foundation.
• Obama also taught Alinsky’s “Power Analysis” methods at the University of Chicago.
• “Obama learned his lesson well,” said David Alinsky, son of the late socialist.
[URL="http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/letters/articles/2008/08/31/son_sees_fathers_handiwork_in_convention/"]Son sees father's handiwork in convention - The Boston Globe[/URL]

A one time meeting between George Romney and Alinsky certainly doesn't grant George or Mitt Obama's stunning ALinsky credentials.

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[quote=12thMan;934813]He's only been calling on Congress to pass the American Jobs Act for over a year now. And he actually did speak at length about this during is State of The Union address.

[URL="http://articles.cnn.com/2011-09-08/politics/obama.jobs.plan_1_president-obama-deficit-reduction-political-circus?_s=PM:POLITICS"]Obama calls on Congress to quickly pass his 'American Jobs Act' - CNN[/URL][/quote]

Your talking about the American Jobs Act thats suppose to do the same thing as the last stimulas of 800 billion that didn't work. Why keep throwing money down the same empty pit only for Obama to use it to buy more votes.

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[quote=firstdown;934912]Your talking about the American Jobs Act thats suppose to do the same thing as the last stimulas of 800 billion that didn't work. Why keep throwing money down the same empty pit only for Obama to use it to buy more votes.[/quote]C'mon FD, UAW, Solyndra, Abound, Tesla, Fisker just need a little more gov't cash to create jobs and turn it around. You'll see, Obama and the gov't did build that!

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;934443]As I mentioned earlier, any conservative challenging Obama is labeled a racist.[/quote]

A rose by any other name smells ...........................just as sweet.


Well, you are.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;934463]I don't follow? What does Romney's grandfather being born in Mexico have to do with Obama's birth father being a anti-colonialist, far-left radical? I don't care about Obama's father being from Kenya, and I've never believed the birther crap....not sure where you're going with this.[/quote]


You say you don't care,yet your postings show other wise.

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[quote=firstdown;934912]Your talking about the American Jobs Act thats suppose to do the same thing as the last stimulas of 800 billion that didn't work. Why keep throwing money down the same empty pit only for Obama to use it to buy more votes.[/quote]

You're telling my 40% tax cuts didn't boost the economy?

Are you saying the thousands of teachers, policeman, and fireman that weren't laid off didn't help the economy?

Have you ever seen a bridge or a road that fixed itself?

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Obama is doing a AMA on Reddit. Holy crap...lol


[url]https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/240903767350968320[/url]


[url=http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/z1c9z/i_am_barack_obama_president_of_the_united_states/]I am Barack Obama, President of the United States -- AMA : IAmA[/url]




[quote]Hi, I’m Barack Obama, President of the United States. Ask me anything. I’ll be taking your questions for half an hour starting at about 4:30 ET.

Proof it's me: [url]https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/240903767350968320[/url]

We're running early and will get started soon.

UPDATE: Hey everybody - this is barack. Just finished a great rally in Charlottesville, and am looking forward to your questions. At the top, I do want to say that our thoughts and prayers are with folks who are dealing with Hurricane Isaac in the Gulf, and to let them know that we are going to be coordinating with state and local officials to make sure that we give families everything they need to recover.

Verification photo: [url]http://i.imgur.com/oz0a7.jpg[/url]
[/quote]

Obama has won the hipster crowd...lol



[url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-57502874-501465/obama-answers-questions-on-reddit-ama-site-goes-down/]Obama answers questions on Reddit AMA, site goes down - Tech Talk - CBS News[/url]

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THIS is priceless.


[url=http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/romney-party-yacht-flies-cayman-islands-flag/story?id=17105028#.UD7BaaOt2nD]Romney Party Yacht Flies Cayman Islands Flag - ABC News[/url]


:rofl:


[IMG]http://abcnews.go.com/images/Blotter/abc_flag_mitt_romney_dm_120829_wmain.jpg[/IMG]


[quote] The floating party, hosted by a Florida developer on his yacht "Cracker Bay," was one of a dozen exclusive events meant to nurture those who have raised more than $1 million for Romney's bid.

"I think it's ironic they do this aboard a yacht that doesn't even pay its taxes," said a woman who lives aboard a much smaller boat moored at the St. Petersburg Municipal Marina.

Romney's Cayman-based investments have come under fire during the campaign. [/quote]

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:laughing2


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[quote=12thMan;934813]He's only been calling on Congress to pass the American Jobs Act for over a year now. And he actually did speak at length about this during is State of The Union address.

[url=http://articles.cnn.com/2011-09-08/politics/obama.jobs.plan_1_president-obama-deficit-reduction-political-circus?_s=PM:POLITICS]Obama calls on Congress to quickly pass his 'American Jobs Act' - CNN[/url][/quote]

Jobs act...doesnt do enough. Has a couple good things, but he really hasnt pushed enough and sold it. Talk of stimulus and raising taxes on the rich is what I hear alot of. The raising tax on the wealthy (which I do support) does zero for jobs, like another round of stimulus.

Simpson and Bowles commision had alot good stuff in it, Obama and the congress ignored it.

Our nation tax code needs to be over hauled big time, this is a move with support on both sides and Bernanke and the Fed agree as well. Obama coulda really made an impact if he woulda at least pushed considerations from Simpson and Bowles debt commision and took an active approach at tax reform. Obama sat on his hands too much for me with his approach on the economy and our country's debt.

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[quote=Chico23231;935472]

Our nation tax code needs to be over hauled big time, this is a move with support on both sides and Bernanke and the Fed agree as well. Obama coulda really made an impact if he woulda at least pushed considerations from Simpson and Bowles debt commision and took an active approach at tax reform. Obama sat on his hands too much for me with his approach on the economy and our country's debt.[/quote]


I want a flate tax,across the board we all pay the same,be it 25,27 or 30 % but we all pay the same %rate.

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Great speech by Romney. Also Marco Rubio with a very good speech say one gaffe.

[QUOTE]"Let’s make sure they write that we did our part. That we chose more government instead of more freedom."[/QUOTE]

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[quote=Giantone;935637]I want a flate tax,across the board we all pay the same,be it 25,27 or 30 % but we all pay the same %rate.[/quote]

I dont want a cut and dry flat, but something similar. Just the same rate for everyone wouldnt work.

I do know we need to get the corporate tax rate down below 25%...its just insane where it is now. insane.

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I think the game just changed. Mittens got exposed for going after cheap child labor. Such a shiny beacon that our country should look towards!


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Whoever taped this was sitting on a gold mine.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;936063]I think the game just changed. Mittens got exposed for going after cheap child labor. Such a shiny beacon that our country should look towards!


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Whoever taped this was sitting on a gold mine.[/QUOTE]

This has been out for days. Not sure how big of a deal it is. I think it ought to be.