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It's about time we fans become more realistic about the Redskins and Free Agency this time around. The $18M cap penalty that the Skins are facing this year is going to severely impact their ability to sign FA's, including their own. The Skins will not be able to significantly improve the team through FA this time around.

Some of our favorite players are not going to be re-signed. Lorenzo Alexander and the Skins may never reach a compromise on his compensation. Adam Carriker may be as good as gone. DeAngelo Hall may end up being cut rather than having his contract restructured, etc. The Redskins will probably lose some players that they would very much like to bring back.

We're out of the running for any big name FA's. We just can't afford them. Any time we sign a mid-tier FA, the salary cap may require us to part with another player we would have liked to keep. My assumption here is that any FA signing would address a position of greater need than that of the player who is cut.

At this point, we're going to need to strike gold on one or two mid-tier FA additions at key positions and have a very strong draft class to upgrade the overall talent level of the team.

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[quote=Mattyk;996005][url=http://httr24-7.com/blog/the-case-against-deangelo-hall/]The Case Against DeAngelo Hall[/url][/quote]

Best article I've read and so accurate, that it feels like I wrote it.

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[quote=Mattyk;996005][url=http://httr24-7.com/blog/the-case-against-deangelo-hall/]The Case Against DeAngelo Hall[/url][/quote]

Meh... I got to weeks 3 and 4, and realized this guy was going to blame Dhall for his own milk spoiling after he forgot to get it out of his trunk after a grocery trip and it sat there for 3 weeks.

I agree that he is overpaid and should be cut, will not care one bit if it happens. But he was clearly covering a different receiver in week 3. He came off of that to try to catch AJ Green (who had single coverage on a safety). Week 4, you never, and I mean never, put an elite outside receiver one on one late in a game where you are holding the lead. The ball missed his hand by several inches and it took a diving catch by Vincent Jackson. Darrelle Revis wasnt stopping that one. The only thing that was stopping that one would have been a safety over the top. One that actually understands what over the top means, so that automatically rules out M. Williams and R. Doughty.

If we take the worst play of every game for every player, and judge them only on that. Do we have a single player ever in the history of the NFL that would rate as a good player?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;996015]Best article I've read and so accurate, that it feels like I wrote it.[/quote]

Agreed. Can't stand the dude. He's an overpaid, washed up, hot-headed, loud-mouthed, finger pointing, me-first jerk with no sense of accountability for his routinely piss-poor play. Show him the door. We can get someone younger, harder working, more humble, and most importantly, much less expensive than this headache.

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[quote=Skinzman;996018]Meh... I got to weeks 3 and 4, and realized this guy was going to blame Dhall for his own milk spoiling after he forgot to get it out of his trunk after a grocery trip and it sat there for 3 weeks.

I agree that he is overpaid and should be cut, will not care one bit if it happens. But he was clearly covering a different receiver in week 3. He came off of that to try to catch AJ Green (who had single coverage on a safety). Week 4, you never, and I mean never, put an elite outside receiver one on one late in a game where you are holding the lead. The ball missed his hand by several inches and it took a diving catch by Vincent Jackson. Darrelle Revis wasnt stopping that one. The only thing that was stopping that one would have been a safety over the top. One that actually understands what over the top means, so that automatically rules out M. Williams and R. Doughty.

If we take the worst play of every game for every player, and judge them only on that. Do we have a single player ever in the history of the NFL that would rate as a good player?[/quote]

Keep in mind he's also working on an article giving the opposite perspective, the case for D-Hall. Although I'm sure that one will be much shorter and probably a lot harder to write.

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Haters, haters. Why cut a guy that leads the team in INT's?

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[quote=SirLK26;996022]Haters, haters. [B]Why cut a guy that leads the team in INT's[/B]?[/quote]

Because he's making way too much $$ and isn't that good to begin with?

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I think in order for Hall to stay he needs to take a pay cut period. Otherwise it would be economically sound for the team to get rid of him.

In terms of production, he is ridiculously inconsistent and whether he stays or not, the team should be looking to upgrade. Although, the same can be said of the entire secondary ; and I still stand by my belief that the secondary won't be successful until we find a decent Free Safety.

Since I don't have the boner-inducing hatred for Hall, I don't think the team should get rid of him "just because". If he was as terrible (in all aspects) as some people here cry about, the team would have gotten rid of him a long time ago.

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Say all you want about d hall, yes he is overpaid yes he takes chances on ints. IMO the bottom line is this he played well down the stretch, how can we just cut the guy with no replacement?? who would be a starter across from Wilson? Crawford? don't mind cutting him but the player to take is place is a huge ?

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[quote=SirLK26;996022]Haters, haters. Why cut a guy that leads the team in INT's?[/quote]

And bonehead personal fouls.

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Whatever. Yes, he needs to take a pay cut, not just a restructuring, but the more our offense has the ball the better.

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;996030]Say all you want about d hall, yes he is overpaid yes he takes chances on ints. IMO the bottom line is this he played well down the stretch, [B]how can we just cut the guy with no replacement??[/B] who would be a starter across from Wilson? Crawford? don't mind cutting him but the player to take is place is a huge ?[/quote]

That's what free agency and the draft is for.

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nobody on our roster is a better replacement than Hall. he is better than anyone other than Wilson. that being said he def needs to take a paycut but I don't trust anyone else on our team to start and do not trust a rookie cb to start if we even use our 2nd considering we need a safety bad. I say make him take a pay cut and keep him! he played good down the stretch and better then anything else we got

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[quote=Mattyk;996045]That's what free agency and the draft is for.[/quote]

yeahhhh but we do not have much money to play with and nobody we can afford sticks out to me being clearly better than hall

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;996049]yeahhhh but we do not have much money to play with and nobody we can afford sticks out to me being clearly better than hall[/quote]

You really think the market for corners is that bare?

Cutting him saves us about $8 and that move alone would put us under the cap by about $4M.

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[quote=Mattyk;996051]You really think the market for corners is that bare?

Cutting him saves us about $8 and that move alone would put us under the cap by about $4M.[/quote]

I be shocked if he is back. He doesn't really bother I always looked at him as a expensive stop gap.

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[quote=Mattyk;996051]You really think the market for corners is that bare?

Cutting him saves us about $8 and that move alone would put us under the cap by about $4M.[/quote]

I just didn't see anyone that really lit my fire that we would be able to afford I like the draft route better but just reluctant to start a corner his first year other then nickel unless he's top tier which I doubt we can get out hands on. idk I just think keeping hall cheaper around for 1 more year or so would be good for us until we get a better option. just my thinking, we will see

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;996061]I just didn't see anyone that really lit my fire that we would be able to afford I like the draft route better but just reluctant to start a corner his first year other then nickel unless he's top tier which I doubt we can get out hands on. idk I just think keeping hall cheaper around for 1 more year or so would be good for us until we get a better option. just my thinking, we will see[/quote]

Amen.

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;996061]I just didn't see anyone that really lit my fire that we would be able to afford[/quote]Look a little harder, next time.

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[quote=Mattyk;996051]You really think the market for corners is that bare?

Cutting him saves us about $8 and that move alone would put us under the cap by about $4M.[/quote]

I can't see how we can justify paying him more than Josh. 3mil a year max (including any signing bonus) is about all I think could be justified. Here are some moves I could see happening in the order I'd like to see them happen.

Release or restructure Hall: savings: 5-8 mil.
Release or Restructure Moss. Love the guy, but more than 3 mil for a slot guy seems high: savings: 3-4 mil
Retire Fletcher: savings: 4 mil.
Restructure Trent Williams: savings 2-3 mil
Release Carriker: savings: 3 mil

Savings: 17-22 mil

I think we can afford to fill the holes made by the cuts with a few guys that will be on the market. Maybe someone could help with who we could sign to make the team better and fill these holes if we had 17 mil to spend.

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[quote=GTripp0012;996070]Look a little harder, next time.[/quote]

I'll try, just for you

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So if we release Hall, please tell me who is going to step up and take his place as interceptions leader.

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[quote=SirLK26;996073]So if we release Hall, please tell me who is going to step up and take his place as interceptions leader.[/quote]There is a good chance that someone is going to lead the Redskins in interceptions next year.

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[quote=SirLK26;996073]So if we release Hall, please tell me who is going to step up and take his place as interceptions leader.[/quote]

i just lol'ed at work, thanks

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[quote=GTripp0012;996075]There is a good chance that someone is going to lead the Redskins in interceptions next year.[/quote]

You read my mind, Tripp.

There is also a good chance that someone will lead the team in sacks, tackles, fumbles recovered, or passes defensed. Wonders never cease.

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Goodbye jarius Byrd... At least for a year

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I guess the bar has been set awfully low if people think we can't find a better corner out there than Hall. :doh:

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London Fletcher lead the Redskins in interceptions last season.
So.....wtf....

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I'm all for cutting Hall, however I do see why people want to keep him being that theres not many starting caliber CBs out there.

People have thrown out the names Greg Toler and Leodis McKelvin, but a lot of these CBs in the draft are as good or better than those guys.

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I think cutting Hall is probably a little more complicated than we think. If we test the FA market to replace Hall, at what cost does that happen vs a restructured Hall deal? If we draft a rookie, unless he's a stud, it's hard to imagine he'll come in an adjust and not skip a beat.

More importantly, who's behind Hall today, currently on the roster, that can step in and start? Deangelo played a lot of snaps last year and probably had his best game shutting down Dez Bryant in week 17. I just don't think it's a no brainer to cut him and move on like some are suggesting. Flaws and all, he's a seasoned vet and knows the system very well.

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I also happen to think Carriker will be a cap casualty.

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It's not complicated. If we release Hall, we have a hole in the roster that needs to be addressed, and about $8 million more to use. If we restructure Hall (he agrees to a pay cut), we have the same hole, but significantly less money to address it with. This is not a brain teaser.

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So, just saying we release Hall, and now we have 8 million more to use. What do we use that money for? Signing a corner as good as Hall, resigning Fred Davis, signing Wes Welker(Ha ha, I wish), or what? If we could find talent equal to or more than Hall's, than I suppose I could live with releasing him. I would shed many tears, though.

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Yeah, I'm not buying the it's a no brainer ish. Will be a tough decision.

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How about we cut Goodell and sign anybody the feck we want.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;996092]How about we cut Goodell and sign anybody the feck we want.[/quote]

Good thought. Not sure how that would work, though.

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[quote=SirLK26;996090]So, just saying we release Hall, and now we have 8 million more to use. What do we use that money for? Signing a corner as good as Hall, resigning Fred Davis, signing Wes Welker(Ha ha, I wish), or what? If we could find talent equal to or more than Hall's, than I suppose I could live with releasing him. I would shed many tears, though.[/quote]

who would you like to replace him in free agency?


Tripp?

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[quote=Chico23231;996095]who would you like to replace him in free agency?


Tripp?[/quote]

I haven't heard if Atlanta has resigned Brent Grimes. If not, he would be a good replacement. Aqib Talib or Dunta Robinson would be some other options. Still not sure about Charles Woodson; he's talented, no question, but he is a bit slow in my opinion.

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Who the heck is Tripp, anyway?