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[quote=NC_Skins;1060676]No, pretty delusional to think a supreme being created all that and only showed his "works" in one location.

Besides, if he's so powerful, how come it took him 6 days to create? Why not one?[/quote]



Bureaucratic Red tape .:)

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[quote=NC_Skins;1060676]No, pretty delusional to think a supreme being created all that and only showed his "works" in one location.

Besides, if he's so powerful, how come it took him 6 days to create? Why not one?[/quote]Most of God's "works" [U]in the Bible[/U] are in one location. Excluding the rest of our lives, the planet, and universe from the definition of God's "works" of course.

Who's to say God[U] couldn't[/U] make the Earth in one day?

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A man walks up to God and says "Oh God, I am but a piteous soul seeking to understand your wisdom. Please help me understand, how long is a second to you?" God replies "An infinite number eons, so long as to be beyond your reckoning." The man says "God, poor soul that I am, help me understand your wisdom, how much is a penny in your reckoning?" God replies "A sum of riches so vast as to be beyond the sum of all the sand particles on all the beaches on Earth." The mans falls to his knees and asks "Oh God, can you please spare a penny for a poor, helpless creature a penny?"

God replies "In a second."

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Jesus appeared to a man in a vision and, because the man had been a good Christian, Jesus granted him a wish. The man wished for a road bridge between California and Hawaii to make it cheaper to get to Hawaii for golf vacations. Jesus said, "Bridging all of those miles of open ocean? That's nearly impossible even for me! Please ask for something different." The man then asked, "I want to understand women: why they laugh, why they cry, why they do the things that they do and why they think the way that they do." Jesus replied, "Will that be two lanes or four?"

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More oil companies = more jobs for the unemployed



When choosing to support the job market or paying the individual for not working, it's always better for the country as a whole to do the first.


What we really need is less subsidies AND less taxes. Let the companies sustain themselves fairly.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1060780]More oil companies = more jobs for the unemployed



When choosing to support the job market or paying the individual for not working, it's always better for the country as a whole to do the first.


What we really need is less subsidies AND less taxes. Let the companies sustain themselves fairly.[/quote]

What about the companies that hire people, but don't pay high enough wages for the person to support themselves with a full-time job? Personally, I agree. Subsidies should not be given out easily. I don't think we need less taxes, I do think we need simpler and harder to evade tax laws. Overall, I think companies should be able to both survive and allow their employees to survive without outside assistance, if they are unable to, they shouldn't be in business.

The caveat is I believe subsidies are necessary for certain products/services. There are certain things that simply cannot be profitable, but greatly benefit us as a country. For instance, ensuring everyone has access to high speed internet, power, telephone, etc. There may not be the ability to make a profit there, but it is important for us, as a country, to ensure certain basic necessities to everyone.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1060780]More oil companies = more jobs for the unemployed



When choosing to support the job market or paying the individual for not working, it's always better for the country as a whole to do the first.
[/quote]


This is the mentality that has led to this country's downfall. GIVING RICH PEOPLE MONEY DOES NOT EQUATE TO CREATING JOBS.

How often to people have to keep parroting this stupid bullshit?


[url=http://www.labor4sustainability.org/articles/fossil-fuel-subsidies-are-the-real-job-killers/]Fossil-fuel subsidies are the real job killers *|*Labor Network for Sustainability[/url]


[quote][B]They discovered that despite generating $546 billion in profits between 2005 and 2010, ExxonMobil, Chevron, Shell, and BP reduced their U.S. workforce by 11,200 employees over that period.[/B]

In 2010 alone, the top five oil companies slashed their global workforce by 4,400 employees — the same year executives paid themselves nearly $220 million. But at least those working in the industry as a whole get paid high wages, right? Turns out that 40 percent of U.S oil-industry jobs consist of minimum-wage work at gas stations.[/quote]

You were saying?


[quote]When choosing to support the job market or paying the individual for not working, it's always better for the country as a whole to do the first.[/quote]

The ignorance in this country is outstanding. I can see how and why people are enslaved so easily. Create a lie, repeat it enough to where it becomes their truth and way of life.

You spouting this crap is worse than G1 speaking about the stigmatas.

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China/North Korea/South Korea at night as viewed by the international space station. Can you guess which part is NK???[IMG]http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/.oVGnqnJDuXwwWG87EVsAg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTM4MztweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz01NzU-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_US/News/LiveScience.com/north-korea.jpg1393442685[/IMG]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1060802]China/North Korea/South Korea at night as viewed by the international space station. Can you guess which part is NK???[IMG]http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/.oVGnqnJDuXwwWG87EVsAg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTM4MztweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz01NzU-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_US/News/LiveScience.com/north-korea.jpg1393442685[/IMG][/quote]

The one with all the romantic candle light?

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[quote=NC_Skins;1060787]This is the mentality that has led to this country's downfall. GIVING RICH PEOPLE MONEY DOES NOT EQUATE TO CREATING JOBS.
[/quote]


So you gave gotten all of your jobs from poor people?

Successful people are exactly the people who are in a position to employ people and penalizing them is only going to hurt the potential people they could employ.


The lack of common sense in this nation astounds me.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1060883]So you gave gotten all of your jobs from poor people?

Successful people are exactly the people who are in a position to employ people and penalizing them is only going to hurt the potential people they could employ.


The lack of common sense in this nation astounds me.[/quote]


Nice sidestep. Why don't you just admit you were wrong? It's much easier than continuing a lie you've been told your whole life.

You still believe in trickle down economics right?...lol

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I can't admit what's not true.


Face it, Government cannot solve every problem. Leaving it up to the private market will always bring better results?


Don't believe me, get an insurance quote right now.



Glad you can still laugh at yourself like a 12-year old girl on Facebook. "lol"

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[quote=Monkeydad;1060889]I can't admit what's not true.
[/quote]


So I showed you exactly where it wasn't true, yet you still deny it? Apparently you haven't kept up with economics or have the slightest idea about it. You continue to parrot the same exact bullshit I used to because it was drilled into my head from childhood on.

GE made 14 billion in profits and paid 0 taxes the previous year. They still moved jobs overseas and cut jobs.


This was known even back in 1998 and it's gotten worse.

[url=http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/time/1998/11/02/corp.welfare.html]Corporate welfare - November 9, 1998[/url]


Can you even bother yourself to do some research?

[url]https://www.creators.com/opinion/daily-editorials/us-corporate-welfare-buys-jobs-in-finland.html[/url]

[url=http://thinkbynumbers.org/government-spending/corporate-welfare/corporate-welfare-statistics-vs-social-welfare-statistics/]Think by Numbers » Government Spends More on Corporate Welfare Subsidies than Social Welfare Programs[/url]


For fucks sake man, educate yourself.

[url]https://www.google.com/search?q=corporate+welfare+jobs&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb#channel=sb&q=corporate%20welfare%20job%20creation&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official[/url]

Stop swallowing your party's bullshit whole. CRITICAL THINKING. Try it sometime.

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walmart is a large employer and they abuse things like food stamp programs for their employees because it saves them money. yay corporate welfare!

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Hell hath no fury like a man who has installed the Google Toolbar.


I get it, the education system has done a fine job of instilling views like "big business is evil" into the minds of their future voting block.

This anti-business attitude and people voting on this emotional, not factual viewpoint is what has gotten us to the point we are in this nation, nearing the tipping point of 50% of the population on welfare. Once we reach that point of more people taking from the system than paying in, we're done as a nation and that cliff is fast approaching. This current Administration hasn't even cared about turning the situation around, they've mashed the accelerator to the floor as that cliff is in our sights.

Taking the lesser of two evils, Corporate Welfare and people at least attempting to work and provide for themselves is always better than a nation of people on welfare, who not only can't find work but actually prefer not to.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1060883]So you gave gotten all of your jobs from poor people?

Successful people are exactly the people who are in a position to employ people and penalizing them is only going to hurt the potential people they could employ.


The lack of common sense in this nation astounds me.[/quote]

Companies and the wealthy are the ones hiring people. They are not the people pumping money into our economy. The middle class and the poor are the folks who pump money into our economy. When they get a pay check they use it to purchase goods and services, they do not have the luxury to tuck away that money. Companies on the other hand are attempting to be as cost efficient as possible, they don't actively look to spend surplus money.

I'm a firm believer that more money being spent by individuals will drive demand for products, thus creating jobs. I don't believe giving a business more money to spend will motivate them to create jobs. If companies are forced to keep up with demand and their services are slipping as a result, they will hire people to handle the demand. Empower the consumers and your economy will be active. Empower businesses and they will look to use the money as efficiently as possible. Efficient use of funds does not equate to a strong economy.

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[quote=Daseal;1060914]Companies and the wealthy are the ones hiring people. They are not the people pumping money into our economy. The middle class and the poor are the folks who pump money into our economy. When they get a pay check they use it to purchase goods and services, they do not have the luxury to tuck away that money. Companies on the other hand are attempting to be as cost efficient as possible, they don't actively look to spend surplus money.

I'm a firm believer that more money being spent by individuals will drive demand for products, thus creating jobs. I don't believe giving a business more money to spend will motivate them to create jobs. If companies are forced to keep up with demand and their services are slipping as a result, they will hire people to handle the demand. Empower the consumers and your economy will be active. Empower businesses and they will look to use the money as efficiently as possible. Efficient use of funds does not equate to a strong economy.[/quote]

good post. Your top section was my arguement to my dad a couple weeks ago when explaining the affect of raising the minimum wage. Folks who make a low wage will essentially have more purchasing power and they spend. AND where do they spend it? The top retailers in the country and usually close within their community.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1060911]Hell hath no fury like a man who has installed the Google Toolbar.


I get it, the education system has done a fine job of instilling views like "big business is evil" into the minds of their future voting block.

This anti-business attitude and people voting on this emotional, not factual viewpoint is what has gotten us to the point we are in this nation, nearing the tipping point of 50% of the population on welfare. Once we reach that point of more people taking from the system than paying in, we're done as a nation and that cliff is fast approaching. This current Administration hasn't even cared about turning the situation around, they've mashed the accelerator to the floor as that cliff is in our sights.

Taking the lesser of two evils, Corporate Welfare and people at least attempting to work and provide for themselves is always better than a nation of people on welfare, who not only can't find work but actually prefer not to.[/quote]

MD, you say we're quickly approaching the cliff and that more and more people are relying on government handouts to make ends meet. We've been giving huge tax breaks and incentives to companies for years. Why are you against attempting to make the regulations more favorable for consumers?

Those of us in favor of limiting the support of big business don't want more people relying on subsidies. We want more people employeed and keeping more of their money. I want businesses to be succesful and do well. I want entrepreneurs to be rewarded for their risk and hard work. They still will be under a system that favors the consumer. I believe that allowing more money to flow from the people, to businesses, and back is what develops a healthy economy. Allowing these mega corporations to horde massive profits does nothing to reinvest in our economy.

You want to get people off food stamps? Me too. I would love to have entitlement reform. Problem is, you have to give your populace the means to support themselves. Having a class of people who are destitude and unable to feed themselves, find shelter, and purchase the necessities leads to a culture with signficantly more crime and social unrest. That's not good for any country.

We've been propping up big business and giving them benefits for a long time now. We've seen companies make record profits while paying historically low tax rates on that profit. We've also seen the disappearance of the middle class in this country and we're seeing the first generation who isn't off then their parents in perhaps the history of our country. Big business subsidies and tax breaks are not single handedly responsible for these issues, but they are a primary factor.

The difficult part is ensuring small businesses can be competitive with the giant mega corporations we have now. The most critical component in capitalism is the pressence of true competition.

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[quote=Daseal;1060926]MD, you say we're quickly approaching the cliff and that more and more people are relying on government handouts to make ends meet. We've been giving huge tax breaks and incentives to companies for years. Why are you against attempting to make the regulations more favorable for consumers?

Those of us in favor of limiting the support of big business don't want more people relying on subsidies. We want more people employeed and keeping more of their money. I want businesses to be succesful and do well. I want entrepreneurs to be rewarded for their risk and hard work. They still will be under a system that favors the consumer. I believe that allowing more money to flow from the people, to businesses, and back is what develops a healthy economy. Allowing these mega corporations to horde massive profits does nothing to reinvest in our economy.

You want to get people off food stamps? Me too. I would love to have entitlement reform. Problem is, you have to give your populace the means to support themselves. Having a class of people who are destitude and unable to feed themselves, find shelter, and purchase the necessities leads to a culture with signficantly more crime and social unrest. That's not good for any country.

We've been propping up big business and giving them benefits for a long time now. We've seen companies make record profits while paying historically low tax rates on that profit. We've also seen the disappearance of the middle class in this country and we're seeing the first generation who isn't off then their parents in perhaps the history of our country. Big business subsidies and tax breaks are not single handedly responsible for these issues, but they are a primary factor.

[B]The difficult part is ensuring small businesses can be competitive with the giant mega corporations we have now. The most critical component in capitalism is the pressence of true competition[/B].[/quote]

Agree with most, if not all, of what you said. Bolded part is a +100

Subsidies and corporate tax breaks, in and of themselves, are not inherently bad. When they stop being effective tools for economic stimulus, I would suggest they become bad. Since 1980, corporate executive pay has increased at a rate 40% (I think that was the number feel free to Google), there have been lots of reasons for this (not the least of which is the accounting methods used). To me, this reflects a disconnect between the corporate wealth being created through public funding and it's distribution.

Subsidies at both ends of the wealth spectrum have their purpose. The problem, of course, is that once given to either end they NEVER EVER go away without huge political battles.

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US military families are also large users of food stamps... damn moochers.

here's an example of bad policy/corporations acting in their own interests vs. the public good:

the housing market tanked due to banks giving people bad loans that they knew couldn't be paid and then betting against them or reselling those loans as AAA investments. surprisingly, the house of cards falls down and the banks get scared and stop lending.

in order to encourage banks to lend money to keep the economy going, the gov drops the overnight rate to 0% while explaining that they're doing so so that the banks will be able to continue to lend money for home purchases etc.

the banks basically stop loaning money anyways and instead take that 0% interest rate and use it to invest in 3% government treasury bonds, to the tune of 70 billion dollars in profits [b] straight from taxpayers into their wallets [/b].

it's a shame we reward bad behavior with free money.


there are other examples, like how do you expect people to compete with walmart when walmart gets up to $30million in free benefits when they open a new store (free land, free energy, sometimes the store is built for them for free too).


there's a reason monopolies are bad and that you need fair competition. otherwise the big guy can act badly and get away with it, because there simply isn't a viable replacement in line.

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also on the other side, farm subsidies have been rife with abuse historically. at one point david letterman was making 250k a year off of farm subsidies, cause lord knows he needs it. it's a huge problem in the UK too. the queen is actually the #1 recipient there, despite never actually farming/herding or growing anything ever.

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I see MD didn't make it back from that beat down on economic facts. Guess he's consulting Fox News/Glenn Beck for some ammo.




Meanwhile...

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[quote=NC_Skins;1061123]I see MD didn't make it back from that beat down on economic facts. Guess he's consulting Fox News/Glenn Beck for some ammo.




Meanwhile...

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No, I do not need search engines to find and explain beliefs like some do...

I just have better things to do than try to debate with the brainwashed who will never be open to learning something in real life. I will always believe in individuals over Governments, which also means the businesses they start and run. I also believe in forcing people to better themselves so they can rise up out of their tough situations and poverty rather than trying to "even the playing field" through redistribution of wealth and making people comfortable in their poverty without any reason to strive to be a better person. If you can't even admit those would be preferable to taxing people until you find some unobtainable economic balance that you like, I can't really say anything else to help you.



By the way, your cartoon needs edited slightly...


[url=http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/03/04/1-billion-thats-how-much-kerry-just-pledged-to-ukraine-and-putin-breaks-his-silence/]$1 Billion: That’s How Much Kerry Just Pledged to Ukraine — and Putin Breaks His Silence | TheBlaze.com[/url]

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/kerry-in-kiev-pledges-1-billion-in-us-aid/2014/03/04/9f425fc0-a398-11e3-84d4-e59b1709222c_story.html]Kerry, in Kiev, pledges $1 billion in U.S. aid - The Washington Post[/url]



Meanwhile, more military cuts and that means their families need more assistance. This Administration is running things completely backwards. It's not just bad for the economy and our security (debt IS a national security issue), it's immoral.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1061430]No, I do not need search engines to find and explain beliefs like some do...[/quote]


Dafuq does that even mean? Nobody is using a search engine to explain beliefs. It's called finding facts. Try it sometime.



[quote=Monkeydad;1061430]I just have better things to do than try to debate with the brainwashed who will never be open to learning something in real life. I will always believe in individuals over Governments, which also means the businesses they start and run. I also believe in forcing people to better themselves so they can rise up out of their tough situations and poverty rather than trying to "even the playing field" through redistribution of wealth and making people comfortable in their poverty without any reason to strive to be a better person. If you can't even admit those would be preferable to taxing people until you find some unobtainable economic balance that you like, I can't really say anything else to help you.[/quote]

So you just sidestep everything JR, Daesel, Chico and That Guy posted for a mere snip at me about being brainwashed? Really? So are they brainwashed too? I imagine that if we took a poll on who they thought was the brainwashed individual, I somehow don't think you would favor well in those polls. Probably worse numbers than Romney did in the election.

How about you actually come up with some concrete numbers on why what has been said to you by MANY MANY people on this thread about corporate welfare.



[quote=Monkeydad;1061430]By the way, your cartoon needs edited slightly...
[url=http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/03/04/1-billion-thats-how-much-kerry-just-pledged-to-ukraine-and-putin-breaks-his-silence/]$1 Billion: That’s How Much Kerry Just Pledged to Ukraine — and Putin Breaks His Silence | TheBlaze.com[/url]

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/kerry-in-kiev-pledges-1-billion-in-us-aid/2014/03/04/9f425fc0-a398-11e3-84d4-e59b1709222c_story.html]Kerry, in Kiev, pledges $1 billion in U.S. aid - The Washington Post[/url]

Meanwhile, more military cuts and that means their families need more assistance. This Administration is running things completely backwards. It's not just bad for the economy and our security (debt IS a national security issue), it's immoral.[/quote]

I laugh at your "it's immoral" comment. I guess it's not immoral to take away from the poor and give to the rich. After all, it creates jobs! :doh:


You remind me of a guy I grew up with. He's a avid Glenn Beck listener and a "professed" Libertarian. Dude's brain is so full of mush that's it's not even funny. The sad thing is, we both probably agree on a LOT of stances and issues, but they get wrapped up on stupid things or conspiracy theories that it nullifies their whole argument.

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Great posts, Giantone...I can give you credit when you're actually right.

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