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In actual football news.....


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@Giants

The @Giants have waived Safety Will Hill. Details: [url=http://bit.ly/1wUJbHd]Giants waive Safety Will Hill[/url] pic.twitter.com/4DC3neydX5[/SIZE][/B]



Dude has been a complete moron since college. It's ok guys, he only tested positive because of second hand smoke from guys in the club. :doh:

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[quote=NC_Skins;1073454]In actual football news.....


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The @Giants have waived Safety Will Hill. Details: [url=http://bit.ly/1wUJbHd]Giants waive Safety Will Hill[/url] pic.twitter.com/4DC3neydX5[/SIZE][/B]



Dude has been a complete moron since college. It's ok guys, he only tested positive because of second hand smoke from guys in the club. :doh:[/quote]

T Jax and Will Hill, your 2014 starting safties. It would be like Cypress Hill on the team. Silverblunt would be DJ Muggs.

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[quote=Chico23231;1073455]T Jax and Will Hill, your 2014 starting safties. It would be like Cypress Hill on the team. Silverblunt would be DJ Muggs.[/quote]



:laughing2

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[quote=Chico23231;1073455]T Jax and Will Hill, your 2014 starting safties. It would be like Cypress Hill on the team. Silverblunt would be DJ Muggs.[/quote]

We'll just tell them that there are Hershey bars inside the football. They'll be picking off passes left and right. :joecool:

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[quote=NC_Skins;1073454]In actual football news.....


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The @Giants have waived Safety Will Hill. Details: [url=http://bit.ly/1wUJbHd]Giants waive Safety Will Hill[/url] pic.twitter.com/4DC3neydX5[/SIZE][/B]



[B]Dude has been a complete moron since college[/B]. It's ok guys, he only tested positive because of second hand smoke from guys in the club. :doh:[/quote]

Brah, most people don't know who Will Hill be. You have to refresh their memory #Sour.

[url=http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2011/1/19/1943956/the-happy-football-life-of-will-hill]THE HAPPY FOOTBALL LIFE OF WILL HILL - Every Day Should Be Saturday[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;1073441]Which was my point earlier. No one thinks Native Americans when they think of "Redskins" because truth be told most people simply don't think of Native Americans. [B]Let's say the name changes, do we really believe all these clamoring for a name change are gonna say "Well'that's just the first step. Let's improve their living conditions, address issues such as illiteracy, alcoholism, poverty in the NA community" No....Hell to the No. They'll just pat themselves on the back and say "Look at the change we made!"[/B]

I'm not a gung ho keep the name at all costs guy, but the fake sincerity of those that demand the name change irks me[/quote]

Well said. I'm guessing from a slimy politician standpoint it takes a lot less political capital to make a couple of public outcries about the 80 year old name of a football team instead of moving to acquire federal money to improve quality of life problems on reservations.

Plus at the end of the day they can throw onto their political resume that they're "staunch supporters of Native American rights."

[B]Natives against the name:[/B] Excuse us Senator but if possible we would like to ask for your help in our efforts to change the name of the Washington Football teams name as we find it offensive.

[B]Senator: [/B]WELL THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! You know what I'm going to send out a press release, publish an open letter, and hold a press conference to call out this despicable organization that's clearly promoting racism. 80 years is way to long. This needs to be addressed [URL="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nao"]NAO[/URL]!

[B]Natives against the name:[/B] Also while we're here we'd also like to ask for your assistance with many issues that are critical to our people. For starters our literacy rates are falling so we require more teachers to help our young people. Also many of our schools are outdated, some of them have asbestos so if possible we would need to procure funds to help with our facilities. We also....

[B]Senator: [/B] [URL="http://youtu.be/kVmC0ktznNo?t=1m2s"]Ooh, um, yeahhhhhh[/URL] thats going to be tricky. I tell you what lets table that for now and have another meeting on this later in the month. Talk to my secretary I'm pretty sure my [URL="http://youtu.be/fHH4Ry_H4O4"]calender for June 31 is WIDE OPEN[/URL]. However I'm going to get started on that football name change RIGHT AWAY. Right after [URL="http://youtu.be/IY_bhVSGKEg"]I go to the mall....in Canada[/URL].

[B]Natives against the name:[/B] But Senator......

[B]Secretary: [/B] So doe June 31st at 2:65 work for you? [URL="http://youtu.be/RWRKgEy6Okg"]Or would you rather have July 32nd at zero dark ninety slash potato[/URL]?

^ that is fantastic. Lololol

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If I'm Dan I tell the NFL and anyone else ,ok, you want to change the name ,I want a new stadium and a super bowl in it and I will change it ,what do you think ?

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[quote=Giantone;1073471]If I'm Dan I tell the NFL and anyone else ,ok, you want to change the name ,I want a new stadium and a super bowl in it and I will change it ,what do you think ?[/quote]

Who pays for the stadium?

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/for-redskins-pride--and-hashtags--often-precede-their-falls/2014/06/02/a31fad6e-ea6a-11e3-b98c-72cef4a00499_story.html]For Redskins, pride — and hashtags — often precede their falls - The Washington Post[/url]

Jason Reid is very good here.

I can't tell if Bruce Allen has been unable to change the culture of the organization or whether he has changed things, and the new normal just looks a lot like the old normal. I'm not close enough to the situation to see any difference.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1073484][URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/for-redskins-pride--and-hashtags--often-precede-their-falls/2014/06/02/a31fad6e-ea6a-11e3-b98c-72cef4a00499_story.html"]For Redskins, pride — and hashtags — often precede their falls - The Washington Post[/URL]

Jason Reid is very good here.

I can't tell if Bruce Allen has been unable to change the culture of the organization or whether he has changed things, and the new normal just looks a lot like the old normal. I'm not close enough to the situation to see any difference.[/quote]

Let's give Bruce some time. It's his team now. The buck stops with him. Not the case the last four years. I do know this. The days of handing out bad contracts are over.

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[quote=SirLK26;1073438]I'm sure you're aware that there's a number of high schools here in America with a majority Native-American population that still use the nickname Redskins. Suzan Harjo should perhaps unite her fellow "offended" Native Americans if she wants to succeed.

In addition, there's considerable evidence that the name did not begin as a racist term. And obviously it's not used as a derogatory term today. [B]So why must it go?[/B]

[url=http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/hail-to-the-redskins-nfl-must-save-name-image-legacy/25861/]Hail To the Redskins: NFL Must Save Name, Image, Legacy[/url]

[url=http://www.slate.com/blogs/lexicon_valley/2013/12/18/redskins_the_debate_over_the_washington_football_team_s_name_incorrectly.html]Redskins: The debate over the Washington football team's name incorrectly invokes history.[/url][/quote]

This is a time of racial sensitivity. People are eager to get on board to fight any form of racism, real or imagined, or at least, to avoid being associated with anything that is generally perceived to be racist.

Once the press gets ahold of a story that is, to them, representative of the vestiges of racism, they will work it like a dog works a bone. People who were on the fence will be overwhelmed by the press coverage and by their friends and acquaintances who have been told what to think by the press. Eventually, the fence sitters will change their minds and support the name change.

When it becomes apparent to politicians that there is advantage to be gained by showing support for forcing the name change they will bestow on us their brand of "moral leadership" by writing letters, threatening the NFL, and eventually holding congressional hearings on the issue. In time, the NFL will tire of this unwanted congressional attention and drop their support of Dan Snyder on this issue.

That leaves only Dan Snyder, his minions, and a small group of hardcore fans on his side of the issue. At that point, it's all over. Snyder is not going to win, so why should he go through all of aggravation?

I can think of one reason. I assume that Dan Snyder is working right now on a comprehensive marketing campaign to roll out a new team name complete with new uniforms, lots and lots of cool new gear for fans to purchase, etc. Once this is ready to roll out, he'll announce that he has had a change of heart and the name will be changed. He instantly becomes a good guy who is in the spotlight and in a perfect position to roll out all the good money-making stuff. He'll take the lemons and make lemonade, as he should.

Ultimately, the team name will be changed but the resolution of this issue will not make us a moral people or contribute much to the welfare of Native American tribes. In the end, the primary change in all of this will be that Dan Snyder will get richer. That's how our system works.

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I think Dan should just offend everyone like Donald Sterling did ,be forced to sell and make $2 billion for his team. Is this a great country or what?!!!

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[url=http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/06/gmu-names-former-redskins-player-brad-edwards-as-new-athletic-director-103714.html]GMU names former Redskins player Brad Edwards as new athletic director | WJLA.com[/url]

my alma mater getting a Redskin as AD, I like it

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[quote=Chico23231;1073488][URL="http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/06/gmu-names-former-redskins-player-brad-edwards-as-new-athletic-director-103714.html"]GMU names former Redskins player Brad Edwards as new athletic director | WJLA.com[/URL]

my alma mater getting a Redskin as AD, I like it[/quote]

I wonder if he'll try and bring football to Mason. I'll always remember him destroying the Bills wr's in the 92 SB. lol.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1073491]I wonder if he'll try and bring football to Mason. I'll always remember him destroying the Bills wr's in the 92 SB. lol.[/quote]

I havent been on campus for about 10 years, they always had room for it, but dont think the county or fairfax city really wanted a team.

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yeah, everyone was super offended by sterling, but you realize his racism made him 2 billion dollars. 2 billion! what's karma?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1073486]This is a time of racial sensitivity. People are eager to get on board to fight any form of racism, real or imagined, or at least, to avoid being associated with anything that is generally perceived to be racist.

Once the press gets ahold of a story that is, to them, representative of the vestiges of racism, they will work it like a dog works a bone. People who were on the fence will be overwhelmed by the press coverage and by their friends and acquaintances who have been told what to think by the press. Eventually, the fence sitters will change their minds and support the name change.

When it becomes apparent to politicians that there is advantage to be gained by showing support for forcing the name change they will bestow on us their brand of "moral leadership" by writing letters, threatening the NFL, and eventually holding congressional hearings on the issue. In time, the NFL will tire of this unwanted congressional attention and drop their support of Dan Snyder on this issue.

That leaves only Dan Snyder, his minions, and a small group of hardcore fans on his side of the issue. At that point, it's all over. Snyder is not going to win, so why should he go through all of aggravation?

I can think of one reason. I assume that Dan Snyder is working right now on a comprehensive marketing campaign to roll out a new team name complete with new uniforms, lots and lots of cool new gear for fans to purchase, etc. Once this is ready to roll out, he'll announce that he has had a change of heart and the name will be changed. He instantly becomes a good guy who is in the spotlight and in a perfect position to roll out all the good money-making stuff. He'll take the lemons and make lemonade, as he should.

Ultimately, the team name will be changed but the resolution of this issue will not make us a moral people or contribute much to the welfare of Native American tribes. In the end, the primary change in all of this will be that Dan Snyder will get richer. That's how our system works.[/quote]

I'm afraid you're right. Great post.

That being said, I'm glad Snyder's holding fast with the name. And if he hangs onto it until he's absolutely forced to change, he'll still have my respect. As it is now, the money/attention-seeking Native Americans, vote-seeking politicians, and the other people that are adding their voices to the mix(perhaps in an attempt to make themselves feel better about their own racism?) are having no effect on Snyder and I love it.

Also, I don't think it's a guarantee that a new name, color scheme, and logo would equal dollars for Snyder. A huge change like that would alienate/upset a lot of fans. Many would likely begin rooting for another team.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1073484][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/for-redskins-pride--and-hashtags--often-precede-their-falls/2014/06/02/a31fad6e-ea6a-11e3-b98c-72cef4a00499_story.html]For Redskins, pride — and hashtags — often precede their falls - The Washington Post[/url]

Jason Reid is very good here.

I can't tell if Bruce Allen has been unable to change the culture of the organization or whether he has changed things, and the new normal just looks a lot like the old normal. I'm not close enough to the situation to see any difference.[/quote]

Jason Reid is an a**hole there.

First of all, he has no idea whether the Twitter campaign was a success or failure; it certainy lifted out the fact that there are a number of Native Americans that love the team. As far as the other things Snyder has done, Reid brings out a few of the bad ones, but naturally leaves out the good ones. You know, little things like increasing the franchise revenue from $100 million in 1999 to $381 million in 2012. Players like Trent, Garcon, Hall, Fletcher, Moss, and #21, just to name a few, all came here under Snyder's watch. And sure, there've been some bad drafts in the past, like every team has had, but the drafts recently have been great. The 2012 class could very well be one of the best the Redskins have ever had, the 2013 class has a ton of potential if Reed and Thomas stay healthy, and the 2014 class looks pretty darn good too. Listen, Reid, didn't your momma teach you that if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all?

Just leave a**hole. Go write for [url=http://m.dallascowboys.com]Cowboys Home[/url]

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[quote=GTripp0012;1073484][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/for-redskins-pride--and-hashtags--often-precede-their-falls/2014/06/02/a31fad6e-ea6a-11e3-b98c-72cef4a00499_story.html]For Redskins, pride — and hashtags — often precede their falls - The Washington Post[/url]

Jason Reid is very good here.

I can't tell if Bruce Allen has been unable to change the culture of the organization or whether he has changed things, and the new normal just looks a lot like the old normal. I'm not close enough to the situation to see any difference.[/quote]

This is a terrible article. All I see is that he regurgitated some of the old team mishaps and somehow connected them to the team name situation.

In terms of the team itself, I don't remember the last time our team had a core of young talented players like they do now. Aside from the McNabb blunder, I don't remember seeing any outlandish free agency moves since Vinny was f*cking things up here. And I can't believe how someone can defend the NFL's actions against the Redskins after the uncapped year.

The sports writers at the post have become so irrelevant in providing news about the Redskins and this article is another proof.

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[url=http://m.redskins.com/s/30856/374?itemPos=2&itemUri=-1063462832%2F13117066013111413331111511450]Brian Orakpo Makes Appearance On NFL.com’s Indispensable List[/url]

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000355044/article/richard-sherman-luke-kuechly-among-indispensable-defenders?campaign=Twitter_writers_schein]Richard Sherman, Luke Kuechly among indispensable defenders - NFL.com[/url]

Ehhh...Orakpo's a great player, but the most indispensable we have? Nope. That would be Trent Williams or Robert Griffin lll. We won the division in 2012 without Orakpo, but it wouldn't have happened without Trent or RG. Don't agree with Schein here.

Also, Sherman on that list is a joke. If he had left in FA, Seattle's defense would still be among the best. And I'm surprised Tom Brady wasn't mentioned; NE would be crap without him, especially last year.

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[quote=SirLK26;1073503]Ehhh...Orakpo's a great player, but the most indispensable we have? Nope. That would be Trent Williams or Robert Griffin lll. We won the division in 2012 without Orakpo, but it wouldn't have happened without Trent or RG. Don't agree with Schein here.[/quote]

In fairness, they were only talking about defensive players. Given the state of our defense, not sure anyone is "indispensable" but Rak is probably the closest to an indispensable [I]defensive [/I]player we have.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1073504]In fairness, they were only talking about defensive players. Given the state of our defense, not sure anyone is "indispensable" but Rak is probably the closest to an indispensable [I]defensive [/I]player we have.[/quote]

I would have said Fletcher .

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1073504]In fairness, they were only talking about defensive players. Given the state of our defense, not sure anyone is "indispensable" but Rak is probably the closest to an indispensable [I]defensive [/I]player we have.[/quote]

:doh: Yep, I missed that, and now my argument is invalid. Darn. :frustrated:

What would Dirtbag say? Oh yeah. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

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[quote=Giantone;1073505]I would have said Fletcher .[/quote]

I hope that Fletcher is not "indispensable" since he is retired.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1073504]In fairness, they were only talking about defensive players. Given the state of our defense, not sure anyone is "indispensable" but Rak is probably the closest to an indispensable [I]defensive [/I]player we have.[/quote]

I would've probably said DHall since he takes the opponents best WR. The defense played it's best in a while when Rak wasn't on the field ( in 2012) and poorly in 2013, so to me he's not indispensable at all. I want to seE Rak be a difference maker, get a sack to close out a game, get some strip sack fumbles. In other words, make more plays, like Rob Jackson did in 2012.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1073508]I would've probably said DHall since he takes the opponents best WR. The defense played it's best in a while when Rak wasn't on the field ( in 2012) and poorly in 2013, so to me he's not indispensable at all. I want to seE Rak be a difference maker, get a sack to close out a game, get some strip sack fumbles. In other words, make more plays, like Rob Jackson did in 2012.[/quote]

When it is all said and done, I don't think it will be Orakpo who is our best defensive player. (He is the best now and I think we sign him long term) but in the long run I dont think he will be the best.

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FYI Desean Jackson coming up on NFL Total Access. You can watch it now or in one of the 50 million reruns they'll be showing between now and tomorrows episode.

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1073504]In fairness, they were only talking about defensive players. Given the state of our defense, not sure anyone is "indispensable" but Rak is probably the closest to an indispensable [I]defensive [/I]player we have.[/QUOTE]


Agreed, although there is a chance Hatcher is the beast of the least this year.

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[quote=Lotus;1073507]I hope that Fletcher is not "indispensable" since he is retired.[/quote]



Kinda my point while I like your Lbers ,I just don't know if you have found the person to replace Fletcher yet .

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[quote=donofriose;1073483]Who pays for the stadium?[/quote]

It wont be public money as long as they are called Redskins. Snyder wanting public money for a new stadium will be the reason he changes the name.

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[quote=Giantone;1073514]Kinda my point while I like your Lbers ,I just don't know if you have found the person to replace Fletcher yet .[/quote]

I don't think finding Fletcher's replacement is going to be hard, considering he was awful last year. He hasn't covered a TE in 3 years. Looking forward to seeing some new blood at that position.

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I think we will see much improved play at ILB and Safety this year from the defense. Fletcher struggled immensely as did Rambo and oft-injuried Merriweather. Its all about key guys staying healthy.

Word around OTAs, Keenan Robinson and Phillip Thomas looked really good, stood out. I know its early, but wouldnt surprise me to see both excell in camp and get a chance to start.

Great to hear. Especially about Thomas. What a bonus it would be if this guy stays healthy and contributes the way i think he can.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1073508]I would've probably said DHall since he takes the opponents best WR.<snip>[/quote]

Yeah, I agree with this. Orakpo's the best defensive player we have, but not the most indispensable. That would be DeAngelo Hall. If Orakpo had walked, we'd still have Kerrigan, Murphy, Jackson, and Jenkins at OLB; not exactly bare at that spot. But if DeAngelo were gone, who covers the #1's? 2nd year pro Amerson? Porter? Hall's loss would be devastating.

Edit: That being said, Orakpo is also important to the D. Definitely worth the money he's getting.

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[quote=irish;1073515]It wont be public money as long as they are called Redskins. Snyder wanting public money for a new stadium will be the reason he changes the name.[/quote]

Yea and if there is money involved I don't see Snyder caring as much as he seems to care now about the name. Snyder really likes his money.

I would be opposed to anyone giving Snyder money to build a new stadium, especially either state or city.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1073509]When it is all said and done, I don't think it will be Orakpo who is our best defensive player. (He is the best now and I think we sign him long term) but in the long run I dont think he will be the best.[/quote]

Trick question. The answer is RG3...because the best defense is a good offense

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[quote=irish;1073515]It wont be public money as long as they are called Redskins. Snyder wanting public money for a new stadium will be the reason he changes the name.[/quote]i still think of fedex as being brand new

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[quote=punch it in;1073537]Great to hear. Especially about Thomas. What a bonus it would be if this guy stays healthy and contributes the way i think he can.[/quote]

1. Yes. It would be great. It would almost be like getting extra draft picks this year since they would be getting on the field for the first time.

2. I remember the [I]exact same things[/I] being said about Jenkins in his second year after coming back from a rookie injury. Once they went live, he has never been better than "meh".

I hope Thomas and Robinson bring it in the regular season. Count me amongst the uber-skeptical on these two. Thomas is one year removed from playing and Robinson two - and that's from the college level. The shock and speed of the September pro game in full pads is incomparable to Spring's shorts and tees. I will believe it when I see it.

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[quote=donofriose;1073540]Yea and if there is money involved I don't see Snyder caring as much as he seems to care now about the name. Snyder really likes his money.

I would be opposed to anyone giving Snyder money to build a new stadium, especially either state or city.[/quote]

There is no chance DS will build a new stadium on his own dime.