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Say what you want I get kirk played well tonight but its hard to believe that a healthy RGIII doesn't make this game closer if not a win.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1088368]Seattle is a better team than we are. They were just manhandling our o-line all night long. And what the hell was that pooch kick off shit? Call Matt Prater, get his ass in here and lets get a kicker who can pon the other team at the 20. Enough of this bullshit with the kick offs. Oh...and Russell Wilson was simply the best player on the field. Give that guy all the credit.[/quote]

Detroit might get him, they cut Henery today.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1088365]I hate to harp on Haslett, but he needs to go. Changes are needed, Riley, Jenkins, Biggers stink on D. Our OL is beat up Williams, Lauvao, Polumbus. When Bowen is ready to come back I'd cut Jenkins his had many chances and still nothing. Biggers should be in unemployed rather have Crawford active.[/quote]

Ok so fire Haz. We still have Riley, we still have Biggers, Bowen isn't any good either. This is more of a personnel issue. It's more of not having enough good players on defense.

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[quote=CASKINS;1088369]Say what you want I get kirk played well tonight but its hard to believe that a healthy RGIII doesn't make this game closer if not a win.[/quote]

Hard to tell. Griffin would have taken more sacks and negative plays, but also we probably run the ball much better as I believe we would've had more RO. In the end, they're better, with or without Griffin.

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[quote=Mattyk;1088363]I got it dude, you're miserable.[/quote]

Lol... Ok "bro", you aren't? I think any fan watching their team fail for 23 years and go 4-18 since we thought we turned a little corner... Meaning, we've actually hit a 22 game stretch that may be our worst ever directly after that...

Honestly... Only source of negativity is watching the skins every week. How anyone can argue the point I was making... Is just someone TRYING to be argumentative and holier than thou... But... I've been around since 2004... It's been seen a lot...

Along with, like I said, a franchise that clearly does actually find ways to lose games, rather than find ways to win them like good teams (like the eagles... Sadly right now... and the Seahawks)

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1088371]Ok so fire Haz. We still have Riley, we still have Biggers, Bowen isn't any good either. This is more of a personnel issue. It's more of not having enough good players on defense.[/QUOTE]


Combination of both sadly.

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I don't know. I think it depends on how some key injuries play out. We do have a pretty easy schedule. We could end up with a decent record. Honestly, they looked better tonight then I thought they would, but the Seahawks were shooting themselves in the foot all game and still won decisively. Still there are some bright spots, DJax is certainly what we hoped he'd be, Breeland may be a decent player, Cousins can execute a no huddle drive (without the game on the line though). Kind of surprised by the lack of production by Alfmo.

Now for complete Homerism. I have seen the Redskins comeback from this kind of early season deficit to make the playoffs 3 TIMES in recent history. Don't count this team out yet. I could see them go into the bye at 4-5, then we have all the NFCE rematches. 9-7 isn't completely out of the realm of possibilities. 10-6 isn't impossible . . .


That said, I can't stop believing, and all it does is hurt me. As much as I want to keep hoping, it would be worse to have my hopes cut down at the end of the season, at least I could give up at 1-6.

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Positives on our roster...

Our offense outside of our RT, RG, ...and QB. Honestly, 30 teams in this league wish they had Morris, Garçon, DJax, Roberts, and Reed as weapons. No doubt.

On defense... The D line is not bad really... Keenan Robinson is going to be a good one...

That's me being positive after this game...

And honestly... That's enough pieces to NOT be a 3 win team... But... Inconsistent QB play, plus zero secondary skills in a passing league... Will do that...

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[QUOTE=WillH;1088375]I don't know. I think it depends on how some key injuries play out. We do have a pretty easy schedule. We could end up with a decent record. Honestly, they looked better tonight then I thought they would, but the Seahawks were shooting themselves in the foot all game and still won decisively. Still there are some bright spots, DJax is certainly what we hoped he'd be, Breeland may be a decent player, Cousins can execute a no huddle drive (without the game on the line though). Kind of surprised by the lack of production by Alfmo.



Now for complete Homerism. I have seen the Redskins comeback from this kind of early season deficit to make the playoffs 3 TIMES in recent history. Don't count this team out yet. I could see them go into the bye at 4-5, then we have all the NFCE rematches. 9-7 isn't completely out of the realm of possibilities. 10-6 isn't impossible . . .





That said, I can't stop believing, and all it does is hurt me. As much as I want to keep hoping, it would be worse to have my hopes cut down at the end of the season, at least I could give up at 1-6.[/QUOTE]


Hard for Alfmo to produce on 13 carries.

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I don't know why a lot of people expect the defense to carry the team. The offense didn't do anything until late in the first half, and the running game was non-existent (32 total rushing yards).

Oh well, moving on to the next game.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1088371]Ok so fire Haz. We still have Riley, we still have Biggers, Bowen isn't any good either. This is more of a personnel issue. It's more of not having enough good players on defense.[/quote]

Look at the Cowboys with Marinelli, no Clayborne, Ware, Hatcher, MLB (Sean something), Bruce Carter and others and still play agressive competitive defense, it reflects their DC. Haslett looks lost like our D does many times. I would promote Baker as DC.

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;1088373]Lol... Ok "bro", you aren't? I think any fan watching their team fail for 23 years and go 4-18 since we thought we turned a little corner... Meaning, we've actually hit a 22 game stretch that may be our worst ever directly after that...
[/quote]

The trick is, not to take is serious. Lower your expectations and start being a realist. If you saw this team as anything less than a 7-9 or less [I](9-7 if everything went right)[/I], you are delusional. You already knew our DC was shit, and many of the same players from a 3-13 team were still on this squad. On top of that, we have a first year NFL coach feeling his way into the position. Now add the injuries to all of this. It's not going to be a surprise if the squad ends up with only 4-6 wins. We have some critical starters out of the lineup and match the Dolphins for the most injuries. Then to get mad because we don't beat the reigning world champs? Just setting yourself up for stress/anxiety for no reason.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1088380]The trick is, not to take is serious. Lower your expectations and start being a realist. If you saw this team as anything less than a 7-9 or less [I](9-7 if everything went right)[/I], you are delusional. You already knew our DC was shit, and many of the same players from a 3-13 team were still on this squad. On top of that, we have a first year NFL coach feeling his way into the position. Now add the injuries to all of this. It's not going to be a surprise if the squad ends up with only 4-6 wins. We have some critical starters out of the lineup and match the Dolphins for the most injuries. Then to get mad because we don't beat the reigning world champs? Just setting yourself up for stress/anxiety for no reason.[/quote]

I find it laughable that people expect the 85 Bears on defense. We're not a good team and to even have a chance at winning, both sides of the ball have to play well.

I was expecting another blowout like last week. We played slightly better, but no single unit is going to carry the other with this team.

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Too many "moral victory" type comments tonight. The only reason the score wasn't much worse is that the Seahawks shot themselves in the foot with penalties all night long. We got a couple of long passes and one late drive that was halfway decent. That's it.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1088379]Look at the Cowboys with Marinelli, no Clayborne, Ware, Hatcher, MLB (Sean something), Bruce Carter and others and still play agressive competitive defense, it reflects their DC. Haslett looks lost like our D does many times. I would promote Baker as DC.[/quote]

Baker has never been a DC. The change will have to happen off season i think. Actually, the defense settled down and played ok after a terrible start. They kept having bad field position but held Seattle on a few drives.

Cowboys are playing well on defense. But it's early. Long way to go.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1088383]Baker has never been a DC. The change will have to happen off season i think. Actually, the defense settled down and played ok after a terrible start. They kept having bad field position but held Seattle on a few drives.

Cowboys are playing well on defense. But it's early. Long way to go.[/quote]

My point is they play with intensity all the time, we don't.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1088382]Way too many "moral victory" type comments tonight. The only reason the score wasn't much worse is that the Seahawks shot themselves in the foot with penalties all night long. We got a couple of long passes and one late drive that was halfway decent. That's it.[/quote]

Mistakes happen all the time, but our team cannot capitalize offensively on these mistakes or key defensive stops.

For example, after the Redskins scored their first TD late in the first half, the defense stopped the Seahawks and the Redskins had a chance to put some points before the half ended. Instead they went three out and had to punt the ball. They get the ball in the second half, and they only muster a FG.

You can't beat good teams by giving up these opportunities. We're bad and have issues/injuries on both side of the ball.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1088385]Mistakes happen all the time, but our team cannot capitalize offensively on these mistakes or key defensive stops.

For example, after the Redskins scored their first TD late in the first half, the defense stopped the Seahawks and the Redskins had a chance to put some points before the half ended. Instead they went three out and had to punt the ball. They get the ball in the second half, and they only muster a FG.

You can't beat good teams by giving up these opportunities. We're bad and have issues/injuries on both side of the ball.[/

On that drive Roberts had a pass that hit him right in the hands. That would have been a big gain. Instead...punt. Biggest missed play of the game.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1088385]Mistakes happen all the time, but our team cannot capitalize offensively on these mistakes or key defensive stops.

For example, after the Redskins scored their first TD late in the first half, the defense stopped the Seahawks and the Redskins had a chance to put some points before the half ended. Instead they went three out and had to punt the ball. They get the ball in the second half, and they only muster a FG.

You can't beat good teams by giving up these opportunities. We're bad and have issues/injuries on both side of the ball.[/quote]

ISSUES .. keyword. The team franchise, offense, defense has serious issues.

Yeah, I'm venting. Sorry .. its just the first week of October, and knowing that we have a less than 1% chance of going to the playoffs, it would be nice at least entering December thinking we have a chance...

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[quote=skinsfan69;1088386]On that drive Roberts had a pass that hit him right in the hands. That would have been a big gain. Instead...punt. Biggest missed play of the game.[/quote]

We also had a lot 3rd and short non-conversions that killed us. I think that opening drive in the second half ended in a FG because of a missed 3rd and short.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1088384]My point is they play with intensity all the time, we don't.[/quote]

Who cares about intensity? A defense can play with all the intensity in the world, but if they're not that talented, have injuries, and their offense can't do much (especially during key situations) intensity won't matter.

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Perry Riley, c'mon man. You can't let some no name back up TE beat you like a damn drum. That was a great play by Wilson, rolling left and making a really nice throw. But Riley simply has to make that play. They need to start taking him off the field in passing situations. Every team is picking on him.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1088390]Perry Riley, c'mon man. You can't let some no name back up TE beat you like a damn drum. That was a great play by Wilson, rolling left and making a really nice throw. But Riley simply has to make that play. They need to start taking him off the field in passing situations. Every team is picking on him.[/quote]

He shouldn't have been playing later on after he got injured. He was hobbling to Lynch during that late TD.

We also desperately need a good blocking TE. Niles Paul was horrible at blocking.

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[quote]
Some will win, some will lose
Some were born to sing the blues
Oh, the movie never ends
It goes on and on and on and on

... ...

Don't stop believin'
Hold on to that feelin'
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My only contribution... good night folks.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1088389]Who cares about intensity? A defense can play with all the intensity in the world, but if they're not that talented, have injuries, and their offense can't do much (especially during key situations) intensity won't matter.[/quote]

Disagree, I'm tired on hearing we have no talent on D, 5 years of it. We have some holes like Riley, but we also have some nice young talent Robinson, Amerson, Breeland. Our CB's give opposing WR like a 10 yards cushion. That's on the coach.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1088393]Disagree, I'm tired on hearing we have no talent on D, 5 years of it. We have some holes like Riley, but we also have some nice young talent Robinson, Amerson, Breeland. Our CB's give opposing WR like a 10 yards cushion. That's on the coach.[/quote]

I agree with the cushion to the wr's. We've been doing that shit for way too long. Do they even teach bump and run at all??

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;1088344]I hate myself more than this franchise...

For watching them every week ... And I can't stop myself... What a complete waste of my life this team has been for 23 years.[/quote]

Surprised you hadn't given up already after last week

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;1088373]Lol... Ok "bro", you aren't? I think any fan watching their team fail for 23 years and go 4-18 since we thought we turned a little corner... Meaning, we've actually hit a 22 game stretch that may be our worst ever directly after that...

Honestly... Only source of negativity is watching the skins every week. How anyone can argue the point I was making... Is just someone TRYING to be argumentative and holier than thou... But... I've been around since 2004... It's been seen a lot...

Along with, like I said, a franchise that clearly does actually find ways to lose games, rather than find ways to win them like good teams (like the eagles... Sadly right now... and the Seahawks)[/quote]

If they cause you so much misery just walk away. Surely you weren't expecting to win last night. I figured at this point we'd be 2-2 at best so no, I'm not miserable, plus it's just a game we have zero control over so it's certainly not going to ruin my day. On to the next.

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Stats held up true on west coast teams struggling when they come to the east coast. We were just not good enough to capitalize on their mistakes.

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There is a reason they had to hire a brand new coach. This team is a project. To get to the point where Seattle is now it took Carroll and company 3 or 4 years to completely rebuild that roster.

This team is not close to where it needs to be to compete. I'm not sure what you guys were expecting this year. If 3-4 years from now they are getting the same result... then there is a problem.

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it's ridiculous that we do not have a kickoff man. we NEED touchbacks on kickoffs, it's worth a roster spot if forbath or way can't do it.

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[quote=los panda;1088415]it's ridiculous that we do not have a kickoff man. we NEED touchbacks on kickoffs, it's worth a roster spot if forbath or way can't do it.[/quote]

Good point. I agree that it is worth a roster spot if Way can't do the job. Forbath has proven that he can't do it, although he is a good FG kicker. We have players who can't get off the bench, so cut one of them to add a KO specialist.

Now, we're even pooching KO's out of fear of a big return which, of course, sets up the opponents at the 40 yard-line anyway.

Poor field position is absolutely killing us game after game. Something must be done about it.

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Wilson is great, but I wonder how efficient Kirk or RG3 would be with an average starting field position of the 40 yard line against a below average defense. Seattle's gunner on punts is amazing. If Roberts didn't call fair catch every time, that heat seeking missile would have taken his head off.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1088393]Disagree, I'm tired on hearing we have no talent on D, 5 years of it. We have some holes like Riley, but we also have some nice young talent Robinson, Amerson, Breeland. Our CB's give opposing WR like a 10 yards cushion. That's on the coach.[/quote]

We don't. Look how Seattle kept subbing d-linemen throughout the game and look at our depth in the same department.

Amerson and Breeland are talented, and we have talented pass rushers, but that's it. Our ILBs are suspect, we have no dependent safeties, and our interior d-linemen are banged up.

Throw in an offense that can't stay on the field for most of the time, you're going to get what we got last night.

I'm not saying the D is perfect or justify their flaws on injuries. But we don't have the defense that's going to carry an inept offense, which is what we had last night.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1088424]We don't. Look how Seattle kept subbing d-linemen throughout the game and look at our depth in the same department.

Amerson and Breeland are talented, and we have talented pass rushers, but that's it. Our ILBs are suspect, we have no dependent safeties, and our interior d-linemen are banged up.

Throw in an offense that can't stay on the field for most of the time, you're going to get what we got last night.

I'm not saying the D is perfect or justify their flaws on injuries. But we don't have the defense that's going to carry an inept offense, which is what we had last night.[/quote]

A very good O can hid the deficiencies of a poor D a la Eagles or vice versa. Unfortunately we have neither right now.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1088424]We don't. [B]Look how Seattle kept subbing d-linemen throughout the game and look at our depth in the same department. [/B]

Amerson and Breeland are talented, and we have talented pass rushers, but that's it. Our ILBs are suspect, we have no dependent safeties, and our interior d-linemen are banged up.

Throw in an offense that can't stay on the field for most of the time, you're going to get what we got last night.

I'm not saying the D is perfect or justify their flaws on injuries. But we don't have the defense that's going to carry an inept offense, which is what we had last night.[/quote]

To be fair, injuries on the D-line have killed our chance to do the same. But, in general, you are right.