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Rosen and Darnold declared for the draft today.Time to move on from KC and draft a QB. There should be a decent QB available in the first round. The key is can the Redskins figure out who it is ?

[url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2018/QB[/url]

plus Allen from Wyoming

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[quote=Irrefutable;1184975]Rosen and Darnold declared for the draft today.Time to move on from KC and draft a QB. There should be a decent QB available in the first round. The key is can the Redskins figure out who it is ?[/quote]

Give up a top 10 QB to draft a potential starter?

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1184976]Give up a top 10 QB to draft a potential starter?[/quote]

Thst is the question. Pro GM's get it wrong all the time.

How many of our 1st through 3rd round draft picks have been "good" in the last 5 years?

QB is different than all the other positions. It is harder to play and predict.

Is there a decent pro QB in this year's draft? The answer is nobody knows until they get on the field.

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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1184974]Whatever the FO does I hope the plan is legit and they don't shit all over themselves just for the fun of it.[/QUOTE]



🤣🤣🤣🤣 I feel the same way my friend. I can’t see Kirk coming back to DC though. I hope we have a good plan B.


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[quote=DYoungJelly;1184977]Thst is the question. Pro GM's get it wrong all the time.

How many of our 1st through 3rd round draft picks have been "good" in the last 5 years?

QB is different than all the other positions. It is harder to play and predict.

Is there a decent pro QB in this year's draft? The answer is nobody knows until they get on the field.[/quote]

The debate is silly. You keep KC and draft a RB or LG.

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[QUOTE=OmahaRedskins;1184979]The debate is silly. You keep KC and draft a RB or LG.[/QUOTE]It's the redskins we are talking about

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[quote=Irrefutable;1184975]Rosen and Darnold declared for the draft today.Time to move on from KC and draft a QB. There should be a decent QB available in the first round. The key is can the Redskins figure out who it is ?

[URL]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2018/QB[/URL]

plus Allen from Wyoming[/quote]

Sweet, I'm looking forward to the 3 year qb grooming period bringing in a rookie will take before he actually becomes good.

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I wonder if Case Keenums success this year has JG and BA thinking Colt can do the same.

It’s been a while but I got the impression early on that Jay preferred Colt over Kirk.

Colt might be a solid back up plan if Jay was right.
Then again, Gruden thinks Ryan Grant is as good as Julio Jones....

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[quote=jamf;1184982]I wonder if Case Keenums success this year has JG and BA thinking Colt can do the same.

It’s been a while but I got the impression early on that Jay preferred Colt over Kirk.

Colt might be a solid back up plan if Jay was right.
Then again, Gruden thinks Ryan Grant is as good as Julio Jones....[/quote]

Colt is a solid back up - no more no less.

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[quote=mooby;1184981]Sweet, I'm looking forward to the 3 year qb grooming period bringing in a rookie will take before he actually becomes good.[/quote]

In the good old days that was true. However, now a day there are 1st and 2nd year QBs leading teams into the play-offs. The Redskins need a good GM more than anything else. They have squandered to many draft choices, money on free-agents, and contracts on their players.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1184984]In the good old days that was true. However, now a day there are 1st and 2nd year QBs leading teams into the play-offs. The Redskins need a good GM more than anything else. They have squandered to many draft choices, money on free-agents, and contracts on their players.[/quote]

How many of those first year flash-in-the-pans built upon it their second year and their third year? I'll admit it's easier for coaches to tailor game plans that make their rookie qb's succeed these days, but it doesn't always translate to bigger and better things in their later years. The kind of qb Kirk is now, aka the stay-in-the-pocket, go through your progressions while still having solid pocket awareness to make things happen when the pocket collapses, kinda guy that he is, those style qb's take at least a couple years to mold.

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[quote=MTK;1184972]Meh for me on Bridgewater, lanky RG3 frame, durability a concern. Limited arm strength. I don’t get the hype.[/quote]

I don't either. TB does nothing for me.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1184975]Rosen and Darnold declared for the draft today.Time to move on from KC and draft a QB. There should be a decent QB available in the first round. The key is can the Redskins figure out who it is ?

[url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2018/QB[/url]

plus Allen from Wyoming[/quote]

Rosen won't be there when we pick and Darnold looks like a project. I just don't have the stomach for a rookie. Not right now...

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This situation sucks. My opinion literally changed for the 1000th time as I started typing this.

Don't see Kirk ever winning a SB. To me that outweighs everything. I'd rather take my chance on a rookie QB and tons of cap space to bring some younger vets in.

Yes, he's the best we've had in a long time, but if the best we have is 9ish wins and a 1st round exit, then that does nothing for me. If you ain't 1st you're last.

Its a gamble going with a rookie, but so is locking into a 5 year expensive contract with a 30 year old qb that hasn't consistently shown he can win when it counts.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1184979]The debate is silly. You keep KC and draft a RB or LG.[/quote]

-That's what I want, but I kinda lost any hope.


-I like Alex Smith a lot, but I'm not sure he would have the same production here, this team is still missing some pieces and he's 4 years older than KC.

I would sure like Case Keenum over Bridgewater, but wouldn't the Vikings be even fooler to let him go than the Skins to let Kirk go ?

(Not that Case would necessarily be better than Kirk but they/he had one hell of a season and they're going to the playoffs... And he might still be "cheaper" than Kirk, wouldn't he?)

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Keenum probably isn't coming here. Why would he leave his situation in Minnesota to come here? Makes no sense. He's playing on one of the best teams in the league.

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[quote=jamf;1184982]i wonder if case keenums success this year has jg and ba thinking colt can do the same.

It’s been a while but i got the impression early on that jay preferred colt over kirk.

Colt might be a solid back up plan if jay was right.
Then again, gruden thinks ryan grant is as good as julio jones....[/quote]

[b][size="3"]Noodle Arm!!![/size][/b]

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1184973]Teddy is a back half QB. We would be going from a top 10 to 20 or 25. No thank you.

Alex Smith and Case Keenum are the only options and they are a step back to KC.

KC is not going any where. The only question is how much is it going to cost us, today's over payment is tomorrows bargain. They could make him the highest paid QB tomorrow and then Rodgers or the next QB deal will pass him. Sign a today tier "15 or 20" RB and we are a 10 - 12 win team. We went 7 - 9 with 20 players on IR. Starting WR, TE, RB, 3rd down back, LT, LG, C, and 3 string RB. This does not include all defensive players. The year sucked and we blew few and won a few we should not. Next year will be better if we sign KC.[/quote]

I agree. IMO KC is staying here and its only a matter of how much it costs. Like you say, today's over payment is tomorrow's bargain. Why didn't they sign KC back when they could for what $20M? Because it was too expensive. Now everyone is saying what a bargain that would have been.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1184988]This situation sucks. My opinion literally changed for the 1000th time as I started typing this.

Don't see Kirk ever winning a SB. To me that outweighs everything. I'd rather take my chance on a rookie QB and tons of cap space to bring some younger vets in.

Yes, he's the best we've had in a long time, but if the best we have is 9ish wins and a 1st round exit, then that does nothing for me. If you ain't 1st you're last.

Its a gamble going with a rookie, but so is locking into a 5 year expensive contract with a 30 year old qb that hasn't consistently shown he can win when it counts.[/quote]

Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl with 12 tds 11 int. 1,500 yds. The Redskins could be very successful with KC at QB, he just needs a much better supporting cast....RB, WR and a great defense. He is not Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers, but most of the fans expect a two minute drive to win every game.

It is a moot point though, there is little evidence KC wants to stay in DC.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1184990]Keenum probably isn't coming here. Why would he leave his situation in Minnesota to come here? Makes no sense. He's playing on one of the best teams in the league.[/QUOTE]


Unless he just bombs and they get bounced out of the playoffs quick I don’t see them letting Keenum go. He’s earned the job and a nice extension.

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[QUOTE=irish;1184992]I agree. IMO KC is staying here and its only a matter of how much it costs. Like you say, today's over payment is tomorrow's bargain. Why didn't they sign KC back when they could for what $20M? Because it was too expensive. Now everyone is saying what a bargain that would have been.[/QUOTE]I want that too. That would be the smartest decision.
But I'm losing hope. Jay has been a Kirk supporter, and now he's starting to pin the 7-9 season on him ? Nonsense! He's the reason we're not 3 and 13 with all the injuries!

So this tells me Jay:

A) doesn't believe in Kirk anymore (hardly credible)

B) knows the FO doesn't believe in Kirk enough to pay him (pretty credible)

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Jay has never been one to give glowing reviews so ultimately I’ll chalk it up to that.

As far as Kirk not wanting to be here I don’t know about that. I think he just wants to feel wanted and he hasn’t felt that yet. AKA show him the $$. I don’t even think he cares about being the highest paid, he just wants an offer in the ballpark.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1184995]I want that too. That would be the smartest decision.
But I'm losing hope. Jay has been a Kirk supporter, and now he's starting to pin the 7-9 season on him ? Nonsense! He's the reason we're not 3 and 13 with all the injuries!

So this tells me Jay:

A) doesn't believe in Kirk anymore (hardly credible)

B) knows the FO doesn't believe in Kirk enough to pay him (pretty credible)

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IMO people are reading waaaay too much into JG's comments. He knows KC is his guy and if KC leaves next year will be another losing season and his final year as Skins head coach.

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[quote=MTK;1184996]Jay has never been one to give glowing reviews so ultimately I’ll chalk it up to that.

As far as Kirk not wanting to be here I don’t know about that. I think he just wants to feel wanted and he hasn’t felt that yet. AKA show him the $$. I don’t even think he cares about being the highest paid, he just wants an offer in the ballpark.[/quote]

Agree.

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[quote=MTK;1184996]Jay has never been one to give glowing reviews so ultimately I’ll chalk it up to that.

As far as Kirk not wanting to be here I don’t know about that. I think he just wants to feel wanted and he hasn’t felt that yet. AKA show him the $$. I don’t even think he cares about being the highest paid, he just wants an offer in the ballpark.[/quote]

I always wondered this: do you think he gets pressure from other players/QBs to take the most possible so the price keeps rising? He's a stand-up guy, so I don't see that effecting him, but I do wonder if it's a factor.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;1184999]I always wondered this: do you think he gets pressure from other players/QBs to take the most possible so the price keeps rising? He's a stand-up guy, so I don't see that effecting him, but I do wonder if it's a factor.[/QUOTE]


I think that sort of pressure may come more from the agent side of things. And ultimately what he does isn’t going to throw off the entire market so I think any pressure of that type is minimal.

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[quote=MTK;1184996]Jay has never been one to give glowing reviews so ultimately I’ll chalk it up to that.

As far as Kirk not wanting to be here I don’t know about that. I think he just wants to feel wanted and he hasn’t felt that yet. AKA show him the $$. I don’t even think he cares about being the highest paid, he just wants an offer in the ballpark.[/quote]

That's how I see it. It's Jay being Jay.

As far as Kirk goes, I can't help but think of some other destinations that look nicer than DC. I'd maybe take a ski trip out to Colorado and explore a few options if I were him.

You should have seen the Bronco's fan message boards light up about going after KC after the win against Denver.

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From Adam S. " Denver and Washington appear to be the main players in the KC race" He also said Denver is willing to pay BIG money.

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The signing to watch is the one for Jimmy G. In SF, I believe he will be signed and not franchised. They are talking Stafford money, in the 8 games he has played, I believe he won all of them, his accuracy, release and decision making are Brady like and the 49ers had 21 players on IR (one more then the Redskins).

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I'm getting to the point that any of the 2 options are fine with me. I really just want it over with:

1. Sign his ass to a long term deal (49%)

2. Trade or let his ass walk and draft rookie (51%)

As long as its not a another 1 year tag situation. For all things good in the world, please don't do this to us again.

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[quote=irish;1184997]IMO people are reading waaaay too much into JG's comments. He knows KC is his guy and if KC leaves next year will be another losing season and his final year as Skins head coach.[/quote]

Agree with this. These are grown men. They can handle their coach giving an honest assessment of their performance in the media.

Why would Kirk think that going to Denver, or somewhere else, would be any different?

He's a big boy. Gruden's comments won't factor into his decision. If he leaves, it will be because he just wanted something different.

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[quote=Schneed10;1185007]Agree with this. These are grown men. They can handle their coach giving an honest assessment of their performance in the media.

Why would Kirk think that going to Denver, or somewhere else, would be any different?

He's a big boy. Gruden's comments won't factor into his decision. [B]If he leaves, it will be because he just wanted something different.[/B][/quote]

For that to be true, we would need to assume that Smithers will make Kirk a competitive offer. He hasn't even made Kirk a respectable offer up to now, so I don't believe that Kirk will get a competitive offer from the Skins.

That leaves the Skins with only one option if they want to keep Kirk; that is, the extremely well-paid involuntary servitude of the Franchise Tag. The Transition Tag would be useless to the Skins because they won't match any offer that is at a top of the market price.

They might as well just let him walk now. Make a clean break with Kirk and draw up other plans.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1185013]For that to be true, we would need to assume that Smithers will make Kirk a competitive offer. He hasn't even made Kirk a respectable offer up to now, so I don't believe that Kirk will get a competitive offer from the Skins.

That leaves the Skins with only one option if they want to keep Kirk; that is, the extremely well-paid involuntary servitude of the Franchise Tag. The Transition Tag would be useless to the Skins because they won't match any offer that is at a top of the market price.

They might as well just let him walk now. Make a clean break with Kirk and draw up other plans.[/quote]


I think $20M offer last season was good. Now after this yr, yeah it'll have to be 25 at least

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1185013]For that to be true, we would need to assume that Smithers will make Kirk a competitive offer. He hasn't even made Kirk a respectable offer up to now, so I don't believe that Kirk will get a competitive offer from the Skins.

That leaves the Skins with only one option if they want to keep Kirk; that is, the extremely well-paid involuntary servitude of the Franchise Tag. The Transition Tag would be useless to the Skins because they won't match any offer that is at a top of the market price.

They might as well just let him walk now. Make a clean break with Kirk and draw up other plans.[/quote]

They will make what they consider to be a competitive offer. Not one necessarily commensurate with his leverage, but one commensurate with his ability and place within the hierarchy of QBs in the league.

And then he'll have to compare it against other offers he gets.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1185015]I think $20M offer last season was good. Now after this yr, yeah it'll have to be 25 at least[/quote]

We've gone over why the $20M wasn't a good one many times on this site. Things such as the paltry guaranteed money the Skins offered, the failure of Skins management to accept that Kirk had already signed the Franchise Tag agreement and, as a result of that, the $24M he already had for 2017 was off the table, etc., etc.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1185019]We've gone over why the $20M wasn't a good one many times on this site. Things such as the paltry guaranteed money the Skins offered, the failure of Skins management to accept that Kirk had already signed the Franchise Tag agreement and, as a result of that, the $24M he already had for 2017 was off the table, etc., etc.[/quote]

What's your point?

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[quote=Schneed10;1185007]Agree with this. These are grown men. They can handle their coach giving an honest assessment of their performance in the media.

Why would Kirk think that going to Denver, or somewhere else, would be any different?

He's a big boy. Gruden's comments won't factor into his decision. If he leaves, it will be because he just wanted something different.[/quote]

I don't think Gruden's comments could factor into Kirk's decision at all.

But I do feel like this is not a sign of Jay knowing anything promising about the Skins being ready to make a push to sign Kirk.

Maybe I'm reading too much though, let's hope so.

But "Kirk is a very good QB, it's been a tough season and we've seen what he's capable of with a lot of injuries around him and not a lot of help from the running game. He's had some ups and downs but overall I think he's had a solid year" would have also been an honest assessment of his performance...

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1185026]I don't think Gruden's comments could factor into Kirk's decision at all.

But I do feel like this is not a sign of Jay knowing anything promising about the Skins being ready to make a push to sign Kirk.

Maybe I'm reading too much though, let's hope so.

But "Kirk is a very good QB, it's been a tough season and we've seen what he's capable of with a lot of injuries around him and not a lot of help from the running game. He's had some ups and downs but overall I think he's had a solid year" would have also been an honest assessment of his performance...[/quote]

Yeah you're reading too much into it. Jay doesn't get to make the decision, Bruce does.

Jay has already told Bruce that he likes Cousins. Doesn't mean Bruce is going to make a $30M offer.

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[quote=Schneed10;1185027]Yeah you're reading too much into it. Jay doesn't get to make the decision, Bruce does.

Jay has already told Bruce that he likes Cousins. Doesn't mean Bruce is going to make a $30M offer.[/quote]

Bruce isn't making this decision, Snyder is.

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[quote=irish;1185031]Bruce isn't making this decision, Snyder is.[/quote]

You're right.