Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

I gotta think given the draft and amount of qbs on the market Cousins and his agent probably are praying tag and trade to the Jets as they may be the only team to pay him.

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So Cousins is going to file a grievance if he is tagged again. He and his agent claim the point of franchise tag is to workout a long term deal.

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I say tag him and trade him to a spring league team.

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[quote=Dan73;1188608]So Cousins is going to file a grievance if he is tagged again. He and his agent claim the point of franchise tag is to workout a long term deal.

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It's always good to add a link

[url=http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/report_kirk_cousins_will_file_grievance_if_redskins_attempt_to_tag_him/s1_12680_25718381]Report: Kirk Cousins will file grievance if Redskins attempt to tag him | Yardbarker.com[/url]

While the Skins would be stupid to tag him, this report still adds to my perception that teams would look at signing KC as bringing in nothing but headaches. You want a qb that is going to work with your FO, KC hasn't seemed like that at any point in his career.

That said, it only becomes an issue if a team is working with KC's agent and starts to get a feeling he is not being a straight shooter with them. If KC and Denver for example are in contract negotiations, and everything is smooth, then Denver will write off all KC's negotiation faux pas as a Washington thing. BUT if they are negotiating and KC's agent suddenly says that another team wants him more and they need more time or money, I think Denver says he's not worth the headache.

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

This has turned into that classic Husband/Wife divorce, the whole "I'm gonna fuck u over" type deal. Just let the dude walk man, we have a QB now

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Skins would be stupid on many levels if they tag him. He should file a grievance. The point of the tag is to work out a long term deal, the Skins obviously have no intention of that.

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[quote=MTK;1188615]Skins would be stupid on many levels if they tag him. He should file a grievance. The point of the tag is to work out a long term deal, the Skins obviously have no intention of that.[/quote]

They should just come out and say we are not tagging Kirk.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1188615]Skins would be stupid on many levels if they tag him. He should file a grievance. The point of the tag is to work out a long term deal, the Skins obviously have no intention of that.[/QUOTE]They could argue the tag is there to protect the teams investment in the player. And it gives their trade partner a chance to work out a deal

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[QUOTE=Dan73;1188619]They could argue the tag is there to protect the teams investment in the player. And it gives their trade partner a chance to work out a deal

Sent from my SM-G955W using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]That would be an admission to violating the franchise tag rules. KC wouldn't need an agent to win that case.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1188621]That would be an admission to violating the franchise tag rules. KC wouldn't need an agent to win that case.[/QUOTE]What rule would that be?

They are arguing the spirit of the rule.

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And we don’t do so well when dealing with the spirit of rules

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[QUOTE=MTK;1188624]And we don’t do so well when dealing with the spirit of rules[/QUOTE]I could see many owners siding with the Skins on this.

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The NFLPA isn’t going like it, and who knows how long a grievance would drag on. Meanwhile we’re stuck with him counting against the cap. No thanks.

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[quote=Dan73;1188627]I could see many owners siding with the Skins on this.

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Nope ,you would be wrong.


Question ,why do hate KC so much? The Skins screwed him over by drafting him in the first place after they had already taken RGIII,KC could have been a starter somewhere else already but he did the right thing and waited and was a good team player.Finally he gets the starting nod and does well and creates some stability at a position that the Skins needed desperately and instead of appreciating it they drag out his stay here and show him no appreciation,why would he stay? Pretty much most of your post's are anti KC and I was wondering why?

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1188632]Nope ,you would be wrong.


Question ,why do hate KC so much? The Skins screwed him over by drafting him in the first place after they had already taken RGIII,KC could have been a starter somewhere else already but he did the right thing and waited and was a good team player.Finally he gets the starting nod and does well and creates some stability at a position that the Skins needed desperately and instead of appreciating it they drag out his stay here and show him no appreciation,why would he stay? Pretty much most of your post's are anti KC and I was wondering why?[/QUOTE]He got contract offers from the Skins. All he has talked about is getting paid. Even his teammates have said he sent mixed messages.

It is not just Kirk I think the QB market like the old rookie market has gotten crazy.

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[quote=MTK;1188629]The NFLPA isn’t going like it, and who knows how long a grievance would drag on. Meanwhile we’re stuck with him counting against the cap. No thanks.[/quote]

Until I hear it out of BA's mouth I wont even worry about that

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1188635]Until I hear it out of BA's mouth I wont even worry about that[/quote]

They aren't fucking tagging him.

That's my line of thought.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1188621]That would be an admission to violating the franchise tag rules. KC wouldn't need an agent to win that case.[/QUOTE]I was pretty sure there was a clause about punitive tags, but I couldn't find it. Tagging him though would invite the NFLPA to argue collusion of the teams to restrict his free movement. It wouldn't be a slam dunk but we wouldn't be able to sign Smith for the expected contract with KCs FT amount on our books.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/02/15/what-will-washington-do-with-kirk-cousins/]What will Washington do with Kirk Cousins? – ProFootballTalk[/url]

Good read. Really outlines all of the fallout if Washington tags Kirk again. Brings up the high chance that it blows up in our face if Cousins waits to sign, and if he signs, the Redskins would likely back out of the Alex Smith trade because of the cap hit.

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1188654][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/02/15/what-will-washington-do-with-kirk-cousins/]What will Washington do with Kirk Cousins? – ProFootballTalk[/url]

Good read. Really outlines all of the fallout if Washington tags Kirk again. Brings up the high chance that it blows up in our face if Cousins waits to sign, and if he signs, the Redskins would likely back out of the Alex Smith trade because of the cap hit.[/QUOTE]Redskins aren't going to back out and although there won't be any official talk they may have a something quietly worked out.

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Not

Going

To

Happen

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[quote=Dan73;1188655]Redskins aren't going to back out and although there won't be any official talk they may have a something quietly worked out.

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Florio is a tool, he hates the REDSKINS which is why he will not use the name in anything he posts, hes a clown.

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

Don't worry about it. If they already have something worked out with Cleveland, then nothing can go wrong as long as The Browns get their paperwork in on time.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1188658]Don't worry about it. If they already have something worked out with Cleveland, then nothing can go wrong as long as The Browns get their paperwork in on time.[/QUOTE]They only way I see the browns doing it is if they want a place holder for their rookie as he develops. I could see the Jets wanting to take a chance.

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McCarron is now a free agent. He'll also be in the QB mix. He very well could end up on the Browns.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1188667]McCarron is now a free agent. He'll also be in the QB mix. He very well could end up on the Browns.[/quote]

I'm hearing denver is looking at him and Mayfield which makes sense, AJ has not proved to be a starter in the NFL yet so I doubt many teams are sold on him.

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[quote=Dan73;1188608]So Cousins is going to file a grievance if he is tagged again. He and his agent claim the point of franchise tag is to workout a long term deal.

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Read an article the morning after it was said he may be tagged again. Writer claimed the NFLPA would file as well stating that the 'objective of the franchise tag is to provide teams the ability to retain players'. And that the deal for Alex Smith clearly indicates that retaining KC was not the objective. Read like a PC way of accusing them a 'tag abuse'.

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Well I wonder what we'll do if one of the top QB's falls to us at 13? One, maybe even two of the four teams picking ahead of that needs a QB could go the FA route. Do we trade down w/ the Cards? Or do we take the QB? But this is another reason why the Smith trade was questionable. There's a chance that the KC situation w/ Mahomes happens here.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1188670]Well I wonder what we'll do if one of the top QB's falls to us at 13? One, maybe even two of the four teams picking ahead of that needs a QB could go the FA route. Do we trade down w/ the Cards? Or do we take the QB? But this is another reason why the Smith trade was questionable. There's a chance that the KC situation w/ Mahomes happens here.[/quote]

If Baker Mayfield is at 13 that would be hard to pass up.

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Hard to see any of the top 4 QBs being available at 13

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1188670]Well I wonder what we'll do if one of the top QB's falls to us at 13? One, maybe even two of the four teams picking ahead of that needs a QB could go the FA route. Do we trade down w/ the Cards? Or do we take the QB? But this is another reason why the Smith trade was questionable. There's a chance that the KC situation w/ Mahomes happens here.[/QUOTE]Trade back with the Bills

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;1188669]Read an article the morning after it was said he may be tagged again. Writer claimed the NFLPA would file as well stating that the 'objective of the franchise tag is to provide teams the ability to retain players'. And that the deal for Alex Smith clearly indicates that retaining KC was not the objective. Read like a PC way of accusing them a 'tag abuse'.[/QUOTE]Seeing as Cousins never really wanted to deal with the Skins to the point that other players said he we sending mixed messages I wouldn't blame the Skins if they tried.

He wanted to do what he thought would get him the most money and I think it even showed on the field. Playing for stats instead of wins. So the Skins should treat him like nothing more than a commodity.

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[quote=Dan73;1188674]Seeing as Cousins never really wanted to deal with the Skins to the point that other players said he we sending mixed messages I wouldn't blame the Skins if they tried.

He wanted to do what he thought would get him the most money and I think it even showed on the field. Playing for stats instead of wins. So the Skins should treat him like nothing more than a commodity.

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What players said he was sending mix messages?

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1188696]What players said he was sending mix messages?[/QUOTE]Chris Thompson for one.

I think everybody got some mixed messages, I will say that," Thompson, one of the first*Redskins*players to comment publicly after the trade, said,*via the Washington Post. "I know for me, talking to Kirk, being with Kirk, all we talked about was, you know, 'C.T., with you staying healthy, we can do this with you, we can do that with you,' and we were able to do a lot of the things that Kirk wanted to do with me. We wanted to continue this, so for me, I expected him to be here.

*knew it would be hard given that we want to win, but if you pay a guy [$30 million] a year, it's going to sacrifice some other things as well, as far as helping our defense out, maybe getting some more receivers, or running backs and all those type of things. It's kind of hard to say. I think everybody got a different feel about it, but I know Kirk enjoyed being with me and I enjoyed being with him, so I wanted him to be here and I think part of him wanted to be here, but at the end of the day, you gotta do whatever you think is best for you and your family."

[url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000915428/article/chris-thompson-kirk-cousins-sent-mixed-messages[/url]

Basically Cousins could say I want to play with you guys but he was willing to sacrifice the over all good of the team to get paid.

One guy on the team demanding so much money will impact every other guy on the team

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[quote=Dan73;1188699]Chris Thompson for one.

I think everybody got some mixed messages, I will say that," Thompson, one of the first*Redskins*players to comment publicly after the trade, said,*via the Washington Post. "I know for me, talking to Kirk, being with Kirk, all we talked about was, you know, 'C.T., with you staying healthy, we can do this with you, we can do that with you,' and we were able to do a lot of the things that Kirk wanted to do with me. We wanted to continue this, so for me, I expected him to be here.

*knew it would be hard given that we want to win, but if you pay a guy [$30 million] a year, it's going to sacrifice some other things as well, as far as helping our defense out, maybe getting some more receivers, or running backs and all those type of things. It's kind of hard to say. I think everybody got a different feel about it, but I know Kirk enjoyed being with me and I enjoyed being with him, so I wanted him to be here and I think part of him wanted to be here, but at the end of the day, you gotta do whatever you think is best for you and your family."

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000915428/article/chris-thompson-kirk-cousins-sent-mixed-messages]Chris Thompson: Kirk Cousins sent 'mixed messages' - NFL.com[/url]

Basically Cousins could say I want to play with you guys but he was willing to sacrifice the over all good of the team to get paid.

One guy on the team demanding so much money will impact every other guy on the team

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No it was the FO that did it KC was looking out for the team he said and did everything right. KC wanted a long term deal as is obvious with the link you posted ,it wasn't money it was about be loyal to the team and he was, the FO was not to him. They didn't even call him first.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1188702]No it was the FO that did it KC was looking out for the team he said and did everything right. KC wanted a long term deal as is obvious with the link you posted ,it wasn't money it was about be loyal to the team and he was, the FO was not to him. They didn't even call him first.[/QUOTE]You believe what you want but guys knew the kind of money he was asking for. Heck percentage of the salary cap was discussed at one point and has been mentioned again. There have been contracts worked while Cousins was here. Heck they made Morgan Moses the 2nd highest paid RT.

If Cousins had wanted be there his team mates would have known it.

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[url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/report-redskins-could-still-tag-kirk-cousins-because-they-are-in-the-pettiness-game/[/url]

This whole story line is total BS. Regardless of whether or not the Redskins can pull a tag and trade off, the idea that it is petty to try to get value back for the QB you're losing is ludicrous. Is it worth the risk? Maybe, maybe not, but to characterize the move as anything other than business is horse crap.

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[QUOTE=WillH;1188717][url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/report-redskins-could-still-tag-kirk-cousins-because-they-are-in-the-pettiness-game/[/url]

This whole story line is total BS. Regardless of whether or not the Redskins can pull a tag and trade off, the idea that it is petty to try to get value back for the QB you're losing is ludicrous. Is it worth the risk? Maybe, maybe not, but to characterize the move as anything other than business is horse crap.

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]They are basing it off the PFT stuff.

Petty would be tag him and sit him.

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[quote=MTK;1188672]Hard to see any of the top 4 QBs being available at 13[/quote]

I thought that too but if Denver or the Jets takes Cousins then they won't take a rookie. The Bengals pick in front of us and I wonder if they'd take a QB.

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[quote=Dan73;1188718]They are basing it off the PFT stuff.

Petty would be tag him and sit him.

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Please don't give Dan / Bruce the idea. You know they have already considered this...